Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

[coooldude]

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Look at those penalty minutes.. 3 penalties all season.. look at those numbers. Your statement makes it's self look bad. Celebrini is FAR FAR from Suzuki right now. Will he ever get there? Yes it's possible. Who has a HIGHER ceiling RIGHT NOW? Suzuki does, it's been proven and there's still room to grow even more. Celebrini is a great rookie and great player already, but his name doesn't belong anywhere close to Suzuki's yet.

Two possibilities:
1. You aren't using the same definition of "ceiling". This poster (and generally everyone) is not using ceiling to mean "best season so far." If Ceiling meant "best season so far," then Suzuki is definitely the "higher ceiling player." And if you needed to win one game today, and were going to draft players to that team, you might draft Suzuki over Celebrini today. I think this is what you mean -- that today, the best version of Suzuki is better than the best version of Celebrini today.

But nobody really uses Ceiling like that. Ceiling means "future best possible projection."

2. You know what Ceiling means and you are straight-faced saying that Celebrini's ceiling is lower than Suzuki's and that "his name doesn't belong anywhere close to Suzuki's." This, unfortunately, makes you look silly. In a full-league redraft - start every team from scratch - I would be absolutely shocked if more than 5% of fans, executives, scouts, etc. would draft Suzuki at 25 and finally hitting over a ppg and playing first line hockey, over an 18yo Celebrini who isn't far behind already, and on a far inferior team.

Hopefully you mean #1 and in that case, just know that nobody uses "ceiling" like you are trying to use "ceiling." what you are trying to say, seemingly, is that Suzuki is a better player than Celebrini today. Yes, true.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Hutson winning the Calder is fantastic+deserved; why are folks randomly comparing Celebrini to Suzuki? Celebrini's PPG is top 15 in NHL history for an 18 year old, and unlike many others in that range, he's great in all 3 zones. Obviously, his ceiling is quite high.

 

[AvatarAang]

Hutson winning the Calder is fantastic+deserved; why are folks randomly comparing Celebrini to Suzuki? Celebrini's PPG is top 15 in NHL history for an 18 year old, and unlike many others in that range, he's great in all 3 zones. Obviously, his ceiling is quite high.

Because it’s not enough that Hutson wins the Calder, for some reason they need to point out that Celebrini and especially Michkov are not that good.

The rest of us get to enjoy this year’s amazing group of rookies. What a fantastic treat it is to watch Hutson, Celebrini, Michkov and Wolf this year.

 

[EveryDay]

Because it’s not enough that Hutson wins the Calder, for some reason they need to point out that Celebrini and especially Michkov are not that good.

The rest of us get to enjoy this year’s amazing group of rookies. What a fantastic treat it is to watch Hutson, Celebrini, Michkov and Wolf this year.

That's not true, Habs fans acknowledge that Celebrini is a tremendous player, we would trade anyone on our team for him.

You are the one stirring shit with your comments about Reinbacher pick instead of MM. You're the only Leaf fan that bring the Reinbacher pick in this calder race..

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Two possibilities:
1. You aren't using the same definition of "ceiling". This poster (and generally everyone) is not using ceiling to mean "best season so far." If Ceiling meant "best season so far," then Suzuki is definitely the "higher ceiling player." And if you needed to win one game today, and were going to draft players to that team, you might draft Suzuki over Celebrini today. I think this is what you mean -- that today, the best version of Suzuki is better than the best version of Celebrini today.

But nobody really uses Ceiling like that. Ceiling means "future best possible projection."

2. You know what Ceiling means and you are straight-faced saying that Celebrini's ceiling is lower than Suzuki's and that "his name doesn't belong anywhere close to Suzuki's." This, unfortunately, makes you look silly. In a full-league redraft - start every team from scratch - I would be absolutely shocked if more than 5% of fans, executives, scouts, etc. would draft Suzuki at 25 and finally hitting over a ppg and playing first line hockey, over an 18yo Celebrini who isn't far behind already, and on a far inferior team.

Hopefully you mean #1 and in that case, just know that nobody uses "ceiling" like you are trying to use "ceiling." what you are trying to say, seemingly, is that Suzuki is a better player than Celebrini today. Yes, true.

Right now Suzuki has the higher ceiling. Celebrini has a long way to go to reach Suzuki's level. If he ever reaches it that is. If I'm drafting right now I would take Celebrini over Suzuki, but that means absolutely nothing. Suzuki is superior in every way until proven otherwise. That is all.

 

[coooldude]

Right now Suzuki has the higher ceiling. Celebrini has a long way to go to reach Suzuki's level. If he ever reaches it that is. If I'm drafting right now I would take Celebrini over Suzuki, but that means absolutely nothing. Suzuki is superior in every way until proven otherwise. That is all.

So it's #1 then -- you're using a different definition of ceiling than everyone else. Got it.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

There is no doubt Macklin Celebrini is a fabulous player and he will become most likely a franchise centerman.

He is also one of the best center drafted since Matthews.

 

[wetcoast]

Right now Suzuki has the higher ceiling. Celebrini has a long way to go to reach Suzuki's level. If he ever reaches it that is. If I'm drafting right now I would take Celebrini over Suzuki, but that means absolutely nothing. Suzuki is superior in every way until proven otherwise. That is all.

You don't understand the term ceiling like the other poster pointed out.

Jack evans is the higher ceiling NHL compared to demidov the way you are using the term.

Suzuki is 25 and in his 6th NHL season and there is every reason to believe that Celebrini has the higher potential ceiling to be more than Suzuki is after 6 seasons and at age 25.

Of course he has to realize that but he is already well ahead of Suzuki at the same age and first NHL season as well in which Suzuki was a year older.

 

[MrLunatik]

Did someone really claim Wolf isn't a top 10 goalie this year?

He is 11th in SV% among qualified goalies (less than .001 behind #10), and that includes 3 goalies that have 31 or fewer games. He's 4th n goals saved above expected, and 6th in goals saved above average, while having the 11th highest expected goals against

Wolf is not having a great season for a rookie goalie, he's having a great season for a goalie.

You could argue e's not a top 5 goalie, but he s absolutely a top 10 goalie his year.

 

[santapore]

everyone of those 4 had a great season. lane will win. nodoubt. all the other 3 is even...all great seasons. but...next season i think celebrini and michkov will take a step up and all the others gonna slumping. just a prediction.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

So it's #1 then -- you're using a different definition of ceiling than everyone else. Got it.

Suzuki >> Celebrini until proven otherwise, and that may never happen. Your imaginary ceilings mean nothing. Suzuki has the higher ceiling right now, and that has nothing to do with draft pedigree as some players take longer to reach similar ceilings, see the example of Mackinnon vs Crosby to reach a similar ceiling. So nothing you are saying matters until Celebrini proves something, which he hasn't proved to be close to Suzuki yet.

Hutson > Celebrini

That's what matters here. Hutson will win the Calder over Celebrini.

Celebrini is a great rookie and a good centerman already, but comparing him to what Suzuki has become this season is foolish. He has to prove himself, he has to prove he can remain healthy and lead a team. He hasn't yet, but he has lots of time to prove himself.

 

[coooldude]

Suzuki >> Celebrini until proven otherwise, and that may never happen. Your imaginary ceilings mean nothing. Suzuki has the higher ceiling right now, and that has nothing to do with draft pedigree as some players take longer to reach similar ceilings, see the example of Mackinnon vs Crosby to reach a similar ceiling. So nothing you are saying matters until Celebrini proves something, which he hasn't proved to be close to Suzuki yet.

Hutson > Celebrini

That's what matters here. Hutson will win the Calder over Celebrini.

Celebrini is a great rookie and a good centerman already, but comparing him to what Suzuki has become this season is foolish. He has to prove himself, he has to prove he can remain healthy and lead a team. He hasn't yet, but he has lots of time to prove himself.

For someone who is posting on Hockey's Future Boards, where we talk often about "ceilings" as in "the future potential best version of this player," you're sure struggling to understand and use the concept.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I didn't read the last few pages, why tf is there shades throwed towards Celebrini again?

He's a super solid prospect that I'd take in Montréal in a Heartbeat, and unless he regress, he should be the rock on which San Jose build their team on

Of course, I think that Hutson is better (At the very least this year, he is, and maybe he'll be forever too), but both can be true at the same time

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

For someone who is posting on Hockey's Future Boards, where we talk often about "ceilings" as in "the future potential best version of this player," you're sure struggling to understand and use the concept.

Not at all, i understanding perfectly. Do you understand that Celebrini has a long way to go and a lot to prove before he can be compared to a Suzuki?

 

[UED]

Proof that even habs fans aren’t excited about reinbacher

Reinbacher is a question mark because he missed the whole year to injury, he may be good, maybe great. But he will never win or compete for an award, honor or accolade in his life. He is a defensive defenseman like H. Lindholm, R. McDonagh, J. Slavin etc. Players only get recognized for their points which will never be his specialty and he will never spend a second on PP1 because he's on Hutson's team(and doesn't have the offense for it).

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The rest of us get to enjoy this year’s amazing group of rookies.

I think you need to go take a long hard look at the previous Calder thread, from the start. You're living a delusion where all the bad takes thrown at Hutson don't exist, while also denying all the Habs fans praising Celebrini.

Delusional victim complex

 

[CrashOut]

Nobody throwing anything bad at Celebrini anyway. Dude has some dog in him. He has some GSW magic in him.

Its not bad anyway to compare Celebrini's ceiling against Suzuki of 2024-2025. That would be a 90pts great 2-way center, in the 9-13 range of the league in scoring. I doubt any Sharks fan would be sad over him being a 90pts 2-way center.

Hutson is great. His work ethic is off the chart. But he shows some sign of fatigue here and there. He has to drive so many plays, there is little creativity or game breaking abilities on that team. Handful of player can create something out of nothing and none of them with the rate Hutson is doing.

Thats why Demidov will be great addition to this team. The puck isn't a grenade on his stick.

 

[viceroy]

That's not true, Habs fans acknowledge that Celebrini is a tremendous player, we would trade anyone on our team for him.

F no to that. I wouldn't trade Hutson for him. Trading the presumptive Calder winner for an also ran? I wouldn't trade Suzuki for him. Trading a legit top 10 Centre for a guy that may turn out as good eventually? I wouldn't trade Demidov for him. Trading a guy we drafted for another guy with equivalent skills as a lateral move?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

That's not true, Habs fans acknowledge that Celebrini is a tremendous player, we would trade anyone on our team for him.

You are the one stirring shit with your comments about Reinbacher pick instead of MM. You're the only Leaf fan that bring the Reinbacher pick in this calder race..

No they wouldn't. Anyone other than Suzuki, Caufield, Demidov, Hutson, Hage and Reinbacher

 

[Mattb124]

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Look at those penalty minutes.. 3 penalties all season.. look at those numbers. Your statement makes it's self look bad. Celebrini is FAR FAR from Suzuki right now. Will he ever get there? Yes it's possible. Who has a HIGHER ceiling RIGHT NOW? Suzuki does, it's been proven and there's still room to grow even more. Celebrini is a great rookie and great player already, but his name doesn't belong anywhere close to Suzuki's yet.

The only thing that proves is your complete misunderstanding of the concept of “ceiling”. The gloating by some Han’s fans is becoming ridiculous.

Edit: for those who are able to reconsider their arrogance in their ignorance:

“In sports scouting and draft analysis, a "ceiling" refers to a player's maximum potential or the highest level of performance they could realistically achieve. A player with a high ceiling is one who has the potential to become a much better player than they currently are, often due to exceptional physical or athletic ability and the potential for skill development.“

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

The only thing that proves is your complete misunderstanding of the concept of “ceiling”. The gloating by some Han’s fans is becoming ridiculous.

What gloating? I'm simply stating facts. Suzuki has a higher ceiling than Celebrini right now, he's probably gonna hit 90 points this season, will he hit 100 in the future? Who knows. Current Suzuki IS Celebrini's ceiling. Celebrini isn't Crosby, he isn't McDavid, that's not his ceiling. In French the expression would be "Celebrini ya des croutes à manger" , it means you have to prove yourself. If you wanna compare "ceilings" from Suzuki's draft to Celebrini's draft then yes, Celebrini had a higher perceived ceiling, but that means nothing right now. Show me the money, talk is cheap, until Celebrini proves he can get to Suzuki's level there's really nothing more to talk about.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

No they wouldn't. Anyone other than Suzuki, Caufield, Demidov, Hutson, Hage and Reinbacher

To be fair, Suzuki, Hutson, Demidov we would keep. The rest we would 100% trade for Celebrini

 

[Mattb124]

What gloating? I'm simply stating facts. Suzuki has a higher ceiling than Celebrini right now, he's probably gonna hit 90 points this season, will he hit 100 in the future? Who knows. Current Suzuki IS Celebrini's ceiling. Celebrini isn't Crosby, he isn't McDavid, that's not his ceiling. In French the expression would be "Celebrini ya des croutes à manger" , it means you have to prove yourself. If you wanna compare "ceilings" from Suzuki's draft to Celebrini's draft then yes, Celebrini had a higher perceived ceiling, but that means nothing right now. Show me the money, talk is cheap, until Celebrini proves he can get to Suzuki's level there's really nothing more to talk about.

The only fact that has been established is that you have no concept of what “ceiling” is - and apparently do not have the ability to read or comprehend. It is unlikely Suzuki has hit his ceiling and Celebrini’s likely won’t be realized for 5-10 years. To say that Suzuki > Celebrini’s ceiling based on what Suzuki has achieved to date is sheer ignorance.

 

[NikolaTesla]

What gloating? I'm simply stating facts. Suzuki has a higher ceiling than Celebrini right now, he's probably gonna hit 90 points this season, will he hit 100 in the future? Who knows. Current Suzuki IS Celebrini's ceiling. Celebrini isn't Crosby, he isn't McDavid, that's not his ceiling. In French the expression would be "Celebrini ya des croutes à manger" , it means you have to prove yourself. If you wanna compare "ceilings" from Suzuki's draft to Celebrini's draft then yes, Celebrini had a higher perceived ceiling, but that means nothing right now. Show me the money, talk is cheap, until Celebrini proves he can get to Suzuki's level there's really nothing more to talk about.

You don't know what ceiling means. Now move along.

 

[AvatarAang]

His comments about Celebrini needing to prove himself:

it means you have to prove yourself.

but that means nothing right now. Show me the money, talk is cheap

His comment about Demidov going PPG right off the bat:

I'm expecting big things off the bat from him PPG