Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season
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is it a certainty that MM turns out any better than Cole Caufield?
Caufields rookie year (d+3)
67GP 23G 20A 43P.
Pro rated to a full season thats 28G 53 Pts
But if anyone remembers Caufield had a horrendous beginning of the year where he had 1g and 7 assists in his first 29 games. Finished the season with 22G and 35 points in his final 38 games.
Michkovs first season is pro rating out to 26 g 62 points (76th overall for nhl scorers) while playing for a much stronger team than the 53 point 2022 montreal canadiens (Suzuki wasn't a ppg player then like konekny is now)
Will be interesting to see who becomes the better player out of the two. Debrincat would be another fun comparison. 28 goals and 52 points as a d+2 rookie on a poor blackhawk team.
And going back even further we have a former calder winner and countryman sergei samsonov , who finished 80th overall in league scoring back in 1998 in his d+1 season. Pretty amazing.
Caufields rookie year (d+3)
67GP 23G 20A 43P.
Pro rated to a full season thats 28G 53 Pts
But if anyone remembers Caufield had a horrendous beginning of the year where he had 1g and 7 assists in his first 29 games. Finished the season with 22G and 35 points in his final 38 games.
Michkovs first season is pro rating out to 26 g 62 points (76th overall for nhl scorers) while playing for a much stronger team than the 53 point 2022 montreal canadiens (Suzuki wasn't a ppg player then like konekny is now)
Will be interesting to see who becomes the better player out of the two. Debrincat would be another fun comparison. 28 goals and 52 points as a d+2 rookie on a poor blackhawk team.
And going back even further we have a former calder winner and countryman sergei samsonov , who finished 80th overall in league scoring back in 1998 in his d+1 season. Pretty amazing.
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matt trick
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I think Minnesota’s got 8th just about locked up, but if CGY wins their game In hand, their b2b, and outpaces them by 1 point in the remaining 3 that would be something. Got to think Wolf plays all 5 remaining games.
Still think it’s Hutson’s to lose, but I’m rooting for CGY to make it. Hutson will have brought his team to the playoffs as well, but Wolf getting them in- particularly when they looked finished- would be crazy.
Still think it’s Hutson’s to lose, but I’m rooting for CGY to make it. Hutson will have brought his team to the playoffs as well, but Wolf getting them in- particularly when they looked finished- would be crazy.
Hutson is having a rookie year for D men not seen since the 80s. He has a realistic chance of finishing 3rd all time in rookie D points. He would basically have to produce well below his season's PPG average in his final 6 games not to finish 3rd all time (or get injured). He's also two assists away from tying the record. It is by definition an historic season.
Add to the fact that the habs were not expected to make the playoffs and Hutson has been a major reason why they are on the cusp, he's pretty much a lock to win it. It would be absurd if he didn't.
Add to the fact that the habs were not expected to make the playoffs and Hutson has been a major reason why they are on the cusp, he's pretty much a lock to win it. It would be absurd if he didn't.
Absurd is a perfect word.
I mean no disrespect against Celebrini or Sharks fans when I say this but how can someone still try to make the case for him when he's the third leading rookie scorer, and is a -30 on the worst team in the league, and when you have Lane Hutsons season staring you right in the face. It does not make sense.
It's even crazier that in the top 10 of rookie d-man seasons, are only two players on that list that achieved it after the 90s: Lidstrom in 91-92; Hutson in 24-25.
It's not only an historic rookie year, it's a once in a generation rookie year for d-men.
Also, only a single rookie D-man in the history of the nhl reached 60 assists. Huston is on the cusp of tying and has a good chance of beating it.
it's a no f***ing brainer
Ezpz
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Agreed. Lane Hutson is GENERATIONAL. He's better than Sens fans proclaimed Erik karlsson to be.
It is our duty to be repeat this more than Sens fans did. Or Nucks fans did with Hughes. Or Leafs fans did with Schenn (lol idiots).
The only question is will Hutson win more than one Norris.
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I’m not sure why we need to compare reinbacher to other D in the same draft, did the NHL prevent the habs from drafting a forward with the 5th overall pick?
Seems even more strange since apparently Montreal knew that Hutson would be this good when he was drafted.
Why did they waste a 5th overall pick on Reinbacher in 2023 when they knew they drafted a Calder winner in 2022?
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Things could change, but don’t think any Sharks fans see Celebrini as leading. It’s down to Hutson and Wolf, and Hutson’s gap is significant. I’m rooting for Wolf to make it close as this Calder race has had drama from the start and I’d love to see it continue. They’re both capable of hot streaks, but I don’t think Michkov or Celebrini can make it interesting.
That said, Celebrity is quite good defensively. Will Smith is truly awful, yet he’s -12. Celebrini is -18 worse while being far better defensively. Smith’s been pretty sheltered, Celebrini’s been fed to the wolves (as has Hutson!). My one complaint about Celebrini is he gives the puck up too freely, but he and Eklund are the team’s sole play drivers with Granlund gone. Tofolli and Smith (at this point, though he’s improving) are finishers. Very happy to have those two, but they don’t transition the puck out of the defensive or neutral zones. We have no puck moving D, and Wennberg, our third best puck carrying player is an above average third line C.
Big minutes, no PMDs, responsible for 40% of the team’s scoring chances, on a historically bad team with historically bad defense and goaltending is a recipe for an awful +/-. Watch Celebrini and you’ll see 1-2 bad giveaways a game while trying to create (probably similar with Hutson?), but 4-5 offensive chances created (Hutson likely has a few more). You’ll also see several excellent defensive plays and relentless effort to recover the puck. He’s also hit a ton of iron, and can’t finish breakaways.
My vote is for Hutson and has been for a few weeks, but please know despite a horrendous +/- Celebrini is excellent defensively.
Let me attempt to answer but first by saying that Hutson is going to win the Calder and I suspect it isn't going to be all that close.
I was watching the Sharks play last night with the 15 year old who has been playing hockey since she was 5. She was asking me why everyone is saying Hutson was going to win the Calder when Celebrini is only 18, he would be leading rookie scoring if he didn't miss 12 games, he is going to end up being the better player and in her opinion is the better player now.
The answer I told her is because none of those things are major factors in determining who wins the Calder. I suspect that people still pushing Celebrini for the Calder are too focused on those things.
Tell your 15 year old daughter to watch some Habs games, maybe you should try it as well. Hutson is the better player today, and had the better season.
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Wolf can finish the season with 5 shutouts in a row and it won’t make a difference at this point, Hutson is going to win the Calder. I can’t remember the last time a rookie D was this good.
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Hutson reminds me quite a bit of Karlsson, more so than Hughes or Fox, but he seems to give a shit about defense more (though my reference is sharks days more than pre-Cook injury). The top speed isn’t quite there, but the shiftiness absolutely is.
I’m not sure if you can win a cup with a sub 5’10 #1 D, but someone will prove me wrong on that eventually. Perhaps it’s Hutson or Hughes.
Not sure I even believe the story, tbh
fuggin ridiculous. I was sitting with my 76 year old dad who was asking me why Nick Suzuki wouldn't win the Hart this year when it was his opinion that Nick Suzuki had a better season than Leon Draisatl. I told him we habs fans worry about more important things than 50 goal seasons.Not sure I even believe the story, tbh
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Makar is barely 5'11 despite what they try to declare. Forsling too is a flat 6'0. Tons of dmen have inflated measurements to soothe their egos. Letang too. Overall team composition is much more important than the height of one player. Duncan Keith was another guy with massively inflated measurements. But we know Chicago said 5'8 Patrick Kane was 5'11 so just take three inches off of every one of their pseudo dynasty core.
“My 76 year old dad who’s been playing hockey since he was 52 says Nick Suzuki is the better player and will be the better player going forward.”
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what actually is absurd and doesn't make sense is why you are pretending that anyone in this thread is saying Celebrini should win it. Everyone is saying Hutson, with Wolf with an outside chance.
This is just an attack on Celebrini disguised as a counterargument (to one you've fabricated).
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Celebrini is a beaut and will have a Toews+ impact in his prime, but unfortunately you can't give someone credit for something they didn't do (unless you're the NHL and want to screw the Oilers out of a 3rd round pick).
Of course, jury is still out on whether he ends up better than Hutson, who has proven time and time again that projecting his ceiling is a fool's errand.
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I love Cole but Michkov's hockey mind is levels above his. Caufield will likely peak between 70 and 80 points, I think Michkov will break 100 multiple times.
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No. Its directed at this nonsense posted this morning
A key quote:
Maybe most sharks fans know and understand the calder voting process than the vocal minority of Habs fans?
He won't listen to Habs fans, maybe Sharks fans should tell him to take a seat
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I think he was the favourite before but IMO he became a lock for the calder when he put up 3 pts in back to back games vs the defending champs.
Maybe let's start by re-reading the first line of my post "Hutson is going to win the Calder and I suspect it isn't going to be all that close."
To spell it out for you just to be super clear my opinion is that... Hutson has had the better rookie season.
Now I do think there a solid cases to be made that as of today Hutson or Celebrini are the better player but that conversation doesn't belong in a thread about the the Calder.
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