Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

[CrashOut]

Matheson played 31m..

And thats criminal.

 

[shello]

After what’s happened with goalies who’ve won the Calder in the 21st century, why would you even want Wolf to win

 

[Lunatik]

Pace is overated around here. A player is not useful when not playing.

tell that to Daniil Miromanov

 

[tiburon12]

The Montreal Canadiens are not in a playoff spot right now without Lane Hutson.

He may not be the only reason, but he's a big part of it and a necessary one.

I've watched every single Habs game since last year and Matheson is a wreck more often than not. You cannot trust him on the ice, he'll do bad passes and brain farts all the damn time, but he did get 60 points. Hutson is a massive reason the Habs are in the playoffs, and so is Suzuki. They've been Montreal's 2 best players by a large margin. Habs would 100% not be sniffing the playoffs without him, that's not even debatable.

The Carrier-Matheson pair get caved on a nightly basis while the Guhle-Hutson is the one keeping the ship afloat.

For sure Hutson is a major catalyst, yet early thread posters would have believe he was the reason. Recall that my entire pushback in the OG thread was that Suzuki was getting snubbed and put down just to promote Lane. That's indisputable if you go through the threads, and now people are wising up to Suzuki's elite play. Again this is all documented.

At least have some self-awareness about all of it and laugh at yourselves

 

[Big Trout]

For sure Hutson is a major catalyst, yet early thread posters would have believe he was the reason. Recall that my entire pushback in the OG thread was that Suzuki was getting snubbed and put down just to promote Lane. That's indisputable if you go through the threads, and now people are wising up to Suzuki's elite play. Again this is all documented.

At least have some self-awareness about all of it and laugh at yourselves

Ah there's definely a ton of silly takes out there, haven't been paying attention to all the narratives going on over the year so I might have missinterpreted your post.

 

[Mattb124]

Exactly what JIMVINNY just said. That's what someone doesn't understand. A similar but different and reversed example of this is a player like Crosby vs Mackinnon, it took Mackinnon much longer to reach a similar ceiling. We don't know what Celebrini will bring yet, so we have to wait and see. Suzuki is already proven and also still improving. So we don't even know the ceiling of both players YET. But one player will probably hit 90 points this season and is a PROVEN player. Not taking anything away from Celebrini, it's just numbers and logic.

Ceiling is a projection of a player’s best possible outcome, not a rear view mirror look. A player can have their best season ever like Suzuki is having but (this is the important part) still have the potential for better in the future. Like I said before, some of you do not understand the concept.

 

[tiburon12]

Ah there's definely a ton of silly takes out there, haven't been paying attention to all the narratives going on over the year so I might have missinterpreted your post.

The silly Habs takes have 100% detracted from Hutson's season, too, which is a shame. Instead of supporting their player and encouraging people to watch him blossom, they use hyperbole and false attributions to promote his play, leading to other fans watching him just to prove those ridiculous theories wrong. I've been on the record since nov saying the calder is meaningless, so it's been nice to enjoy all the rookies without thinking about a stupid trophy, even if Celebrini is 4th

Don't forget some Habs fan started a thread for the next two years' Calders just to assume Demidov and Hage would win lol (which quickly got closed).

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

The silly Habs takes have 100% detracted from Hutson's season, too, which is a shame. Instead of supporting their player and encouraging people to watch him blossom, they use hyperbole and false attributions to promote his play, leading to other fans watching him just to prove those ridiculous theories wrong. I've been on the record since nov saying the calder is meaningless, so it's been nice to enjoy all the rookies without thinking about a stupid trophy, even if Celebrini is 4th

Don't forget some Habs fan started a thread for the next two years' Calders just to assume Demidov and Hage would win lol (which quickly got closed).

...you really need to stop lumping ALL Habs fans with a very few vocal ones here...all fan bases are diverse and Montreal has arguably the largest NHL fanbase on the Planet...take your snipes at the few that are being chirpy...

 

[tiburon12]

...you really need to stop lumping ALL Habs fans with a very few vocal ones here...all fan bases are diverse and Montreal has arguably the largest NHL fanbase on the Planet...take your snipes at the few that are being chirpy...

Amigo, I've posted 3x in this thread today and specifically didn't use any language that lumped all Habs fans into this bucket.....It would be self-inflicting to call out hyperbole and then use it myself, no?

 

[Big Trout]

The silly Habs takes have 100% detracted from Hutson's season, too, which is a shame. Instead of supporting their player and encouraging people to watch him blossom, they use hyperbole and false attributions to promote his play, leading to other fans watching him just to prove those ridiculous theories wrong. I've been on the record since nov saying the calder is meaningless, so it's been nice to enjoy all the rookies without thinking about a stupid trophy, even if Celebrini is 4th

Don't forget some Habs fan started a thread for the next two years' Calders just to assume Demidov and Hage would win lol (which quickly got closed).

Well I hope you realise how much crap people have been saying on Hutson too, right? Unless you've been selectively reading what to get annoyed about the silly takes have been going both ways. I don't see what the rest of habs fans have to do with a poster making a thread either, which bring me to my previous point.

 

[tiburon12]

Well I hope you realise how much crap people have been saying on Hutson too, right? Unless you've been selectively reading what to get annoyed about the silly takes have been going both ways. I don't see what the rest of habs fans have to do with a poster making a thread either, which bring me to my previous point.

I particularly liked the recent discourse about his face. That was a real strong case against Hutson

 

[Big Trout]

I particularly liked the recent discourse about his face. That was a real strong case against Hutson

Another poster said recently he didn't like him cause he's cocky lol. He did shut most of the haters since 4 nations he's been incredible. It's hard to say bad things about him without looking like a clown since.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Another poster said recently he didn't like him cause he's cocky lol. He did shut most of the haters since 4 nations he's been incredible. It's hard to say bad things about him without looking like a clown since.

Really since late November since he was moved to PP1

53 points +11 in 56 games since then. 3rd in dman scoring, and leads all dmen in assists by a large margin over that span:

 

[wetcoast]

I think Hutson will win it, he's having an insane year. Hopefully this knocks 500K off a celebrini extension. I do think Celebrini's season will get overshadowed when he doesn't win the calder: playing 1C as an 18 year old on the worst team in the league is very impressive.

But, this award isn't about "the most impressive 18 year old in the league" or "who projects to have XYZ." It's about the best rookie year, and it's Hutson's to lose right now

That's a fair comment and it's good to see the last thread closed as I had 4 interesting alerts about that thread.

 

[Ezpz]

Hutson watch should be the thread title it's a one horse race.

 

[SallyBalls]

Really since late November since he was moved to PP1

53 points +11 in 56 games since then. 3rd in dman scoring, and leads all dmen in assists by a large margin over that span:

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Great to see we have Whiskey on the Lane train. It took a while, but he's well and truly a convert.

Is his D better than Hughes' in his rookie year? We talked about that a while ago.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Great to see we have Whiskey on the Lane train. It took a while, but he's well and truly a convert.

I've been pumping Lane's tires since November. He had a rough first month or so defensively but has really settled in nicely.

Is his D better than Hughes' in his rookie year? We talked about that a while ago.

He's having a better rookie season, but I still prefer Luke to Hutson in terms of overall impact.

Hutson projects as the better QB though.

 

[SallyBalls]

I've been pumping Lane's tires since November. He had a rough first month or so defensively but has really settled in nicely.

He's having a better rookie season, but I still prefer Luke to Hutson in terms of overall impact.

Hutson projects as the better QB though.

I was thinking Quinn. but all good.

 

[The Last Red]

He will get some Norris Trophy votes.

 

[wetcoast]

He will get some Norris Trophy votes.

Not likely as voters vote for their top 5 and maybe some outlier does that but probably not.

Top 3 guys will be

Makar
Hughes
Werenski

After that you got guys like,

Theodore, Morrissey, Dahlin, Harley, Fox Hedman and a Habs Dman who is 8th in the league in TOI and it's not Hutson so any norris votes are unlikely.

Hutson is 41st for TOI this season, would have to go back and look tos ee how many Dmen in the past got top 5 votes and outside 30th in TOI.

It's probably a really small list.

 

[Frosty415]

That Wolf save on Celebrini was sick just now, two great rookies head to head

 

[karltonian]

man this wolf kid is going to give us trouble for years

 

[Heldig]

At this point Hutson has to be the favourite to win especially if the Habs are in the playoffs (and it looks like they will be).

 

[super6646]

Hutson should be the favourite imo.

 

[coooldude]

Hutson has been the objective favorite for about 2-3 weeks now, ever since his play stepped up even more after the 4 nations break, and since the NHL came out with their limited poll showing Hutson in first with "69 points" and Celebrini a close second with "66 points" based on journalist polling. Vegas has since moved the line to validate this.