Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

[Leonardo87]

Was time for a new thread. In this new thread please refrain from trolling, flaming , and derailing the thread.

Debate the post not the poster.

Thank you.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Lost in all this is how well Bolduc has been doing this season, didn't realize how good of a year he'd had

 

[JIMVINNY]

And soon to be rookie of the YEAR.

 

[Jamaican Patty]

How come you did not add the rookie assists leader to your post @Leonardo87

 

[Leonardo87]

How come you did not add the rookie assists leader to your post @Leonardo87

Just added.

 

[Mr Kot]

Lane is gonna win, can't stop the kid

 

[LGB]

Lost in all this is how well Bolduc has been doing this season, didn't realize how good of a year he'd had

It’s not just goals either. He is an excellent forechecker and physical.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

It’s not just goals either. He is an excellent forechecker and physical.

Hadn't kept up with him much post-draft and didn't realize how dominant he was in the Q. Is he going to be sticking at LW for you guys or do you think he might end up at C at some point?

 

[LGB]

Hadn't kept up with him much post-draft and didn't realize how dominant he was in the Q. Is he going to be sticking at LW for you guys or do you think he might end up at C at some point?

He’ll definitely remain on the wing

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Rookie seasons Lane Hutson versus Quinn Hughes

73gp vs 68gp
5 goals vs 8 goals
23 A1s vs 20 A1s
59 pts vs 53 pts
34 ESP vs 28 ESP
.808 ppg vs .779 ppg
18:15 vs 16:39 5v5 TOI/G
2.88 vs 3.07 5v5 GF/60
2.61 vs 2.86 5v5 GA/60
52.46% vs 51.79% 5v5 GF%
2.94 vs 2.74 5v5 xGF/60
2.83 vs 2.46 5v5 xGA/60
50.99 vs 52.69% 5v5 xGF%
90.09% vs 90.51% 5v5 on-ice save%
3.74 vs 2.38 5v5 Giveaways/60
1.89 vs 1.48 5v5 Takeaways/60
0.23 vs 0.05 5v5 rush attempts/60
0.63 vs 0.79 5v5 rebounds created/60

Hutson had arguably worst pairing teammates, except for Guhle with whom he played very few minutes with.

 

[ottawa]

Lane has likely already won this regardless how the rest of the season goes

 

[Giant Panda]

I think Hutson is one of the weirdest case of a player labelled a defensive liability which is not fair based on his progress/improvement and his high hockey IQ.

I will explain:

First of all I do believe there is a stigma about undersized players (forward or defenseman) that they are liability defensively and easily pushed over or bullied. A bit more so for defenseman. While it is not false in a sense that smaller players will always strugle against larger sized player and yes clearing the front of the net is not ideal when all players are stronger and bigger than you but that's only one part of the role. The other more important part is limiting turnover, create offense from the defense and limiting scoring chances for the opponent. I think Hutson is a top defenseman in that role.

The other part is how you react with the puck on your stick and how you react without the puck. I will also add on how to use your smaller frame to your advantage and this is where Hutson shine. Hutson has been and I will add by far the best player at transitioning the puck from defense to offense and to help create offense at 5 on 5 or on the PP. His smaller frame allow him to be very shifty and hard to contain as well as him being able to use his stick more defensively than using his frame, he is smart, he does not over commit or rarely try to do too much. That has made him very valuable for the Habs, I will even add that if you removed him from the Habs this season, they would be near the bottom part of the standing and not in playoff contention. He is the Habs MVP as a 20 years old.

The other part, which is also typical HF. Is the drafted rank of a player. Although HFBoarders will rarely admit it, they do have some biases on the projection of a player if they were drafted outside the first round. Or at least it takes longer time to accept it. If Hutson is the exact same player, same size, same offense but he was drafted top 5 overall, it would be more acceptable for him to be a calder candiate as he has higher draft pedigree. I could also add size if a player is listed as 6'4 instead of 5'10 with the exact same stats he is instantly considered better defensively although it might not be the case and a top calder candidate for sure.

What I find interesting was the Larkin clip that circulated a month or two ago. Spread wide and far of an example proving Hutson was bad defensively.

Where's the clips since been? Wheres the other examples people have of his bad defensive game?

I get people love sharing videos of Michkov blowing the zone early to overemphasize that part of his game. I've seen a few bad examples of Celebrini floating around trying to prove a point there that doesn't exist. Heck, unrelated but seems to be a slight trend right now of spreading Bedard videos.

These aren't Habs fans sharing those videos. You'd think that for a team as scrutinized as the Habs are, you'd see lots of examples of people clowning on Hutson's defensive errors but people just can't seem to find them.

 

[Khelandros]

Everybody forgetting Celebrini has 6 less points in 12 less games.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Everybody forgetting Celebrini has 6 less points in 12 less games.

And you seem to be forgetting that you’re comparing a forward to a defenseman.

 

[Captain Controversy]

The Calder is going to a Dman this year and it isn't even close.

 

[GrandBison]

Everybody forgetting Celebrini has 6 less points in 12 less games.

Pace is overated around here. A player is not useful when not playing.

 

[Lshap]

When was the last time we saw so many elite rookies in the same year?

 

[Giant Panda]

When was the last time we saw so many elite rookies in the same year?

2019.

EP40 won the award with 66pts in 71 games.

Binnington got 2nd after winning the cup and posting a .927sv%.

Dahlin and Heiskanen finished 4th and 5th.

Brady Tkatchuk got a good number of votes.

Cirelli and Svechnikov got some votes too.

Heck, 8th place was some 20 year old kid on Philly that had a higher save % than Wolf does now. That guy doesn't exist anymore though.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Everybody forgetting Celebrini has 6 less points in 12 less games.

+0.06 ppg difference with Hutson

Top forward in points is MacKinnon and he has +0.34 ppg more than the top D, Makar.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Everybody forgetting Celebrini has 6 less points in 12 less games.

Sounds like 12 games where celebrini contributed nothing. Awards aren't prorated, they're based on what actually happened. Hutson playing every game and averaging over 23:30 a night as a 5'9" 162lb rookie defenseman is more impressive than 12 games of theoretical play from celebrini.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Since it’s a close race

Montreal is 4 games over 500
Calgary is 9 games over 500

Still leaning towards Wolf.

 

[fasterthanlight]

I think Hutson will win it, he's having an insane year. Hopefully this knocks 500K off a celebrini extension. I do think Celebrini's season will get overshadowed when he doesn't win the calder: playing 1C as an 18 year old on the worst team in the league is very impressive.

But, this award isn't about "the most impressive 18 year old in the league" or "who projects to have XYZ." It's about the best rookie year, and it's Hutson's to lose right now

 

[Fantomas]

Since it’s a close race

Montreal is 4 games over 500
Calgary is 9 games over 500

Still leaning towards Wolf.

If Wolf drags the Flames into the playoffs he has a rock-solid case.

But he still won't win. The journos won't give it to him.

 

[Bouboumaster]

If Wolf drags the Flames into the playoffs he has a rock-solid case.

But he still won't win. The journos won't give it to him.

Wolf has a solid case
But his competition is extreme

 

[JustAHabFan]

If Hutson ties or breaks the NHL rookie defenseman total assists record, he will be 100% win the Calder. That record has stood for more than 40 years.