GDT: CALCAR

[WreckingCrew]

Lindholm had never been traded before. Maybe he took it personally. Just a working theory as his post-game antics don’t jive with how he was acting before hand. Fans were petty, he became petty back. Guess that’s how rivalries typically start.

I think part of it too might be that he went from a 40 pt guy to a PPG guy, he suddenly found his game and I think that maybe rubbed some fans the wrong way (like why weren't you performing like that for us?). I don't recall lots of boo's though until after the skol clap incident...but don't really remember that well honestly.

Fans here are generally pretty good about returning players I think, we certainly seem to do a lot more "tributes" than many other teams (though I guess I don't necessarily get to see tons of those broadcasts, just what's on NBCSN - so Penguins games)

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm not saying you're making it up- after all you are the one who plays hockey. Its just after seeing this in person the other night, pretty darn close to the ice, it seemed to happen so fast there was no time for a counter-reaction. I'm just trying to picture a defenseman noticing the subtle shift of the hands, realize what is about to happen, and then come charging in to stop it before it does happen. I suppose if the goalie is looking over his shoulder and expecting it, then sure, he could presumably launch a slash at the guys head as he executes the move.

Like everything else, things just happen at double-time in the NHL. I'm a pretty bad player, but I don't think I've ever played competitively with someone who could just casually flick the puck up on their blade in the blink of an eye the way an NHL'er can. It takes a second for a normal human to recognize the opportunity, reset their hands, and make that scooping motion... if the defender is within a stick length as they should be, it's enough time to be like "awww HELL naw" and, I dunno, spear him in the nuts or whatever

I would pay good money to watch someone try this move on Ron Hextall or Billy Smith.

You ****ing sicko

 

[Lempo]

Lindholm had never been traded before. Maybe he took it personally. Just a working theory as his post-game antics don’t jive with how he was acting before hand. Fans were petty, he became petty back. Guess that’s how rivalries typically start.

Teemu Selanne said something to that tune of Jets trading him; that was when he understood that it is a business. It may be a rude awakening.

And obviously there's the having to move your life to a completely new city.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Teemu Selanne said something to that tune of Jets trading him; that was when he understood that it is a business. It may be a rude awakening.

And obviously there's the having to move your life to a completely new city.

Management: "Teemu, we're so sorry but... we're trading you from Winnipeg to Anaheim."

Teemu:

 

[bleedgreen]

I'm not saying you're making it up- after all you are the one who plays hockey. Its just after seeing this in person the other night, pretty darn close to the ice, it seemed to happen so fast there was no time for a counter-reaction. I'm just trying to picture a defenseman noticing the subtle shift of the hands, realize what is about to happen, and then come charging in to stop it before it does happen. I suppose if the goalie is looking over his shoulder and expecting it, then sure, he could presumably launch a slash at the guys head as he executes the move.

Well I think that’s why Matthews and Svech don’t lift the puck up the way the Michigan is. It takes too long and people can defend it. Instead just just ramp the puck up the blade or pop it in the air quick and once it’s on the blade get it in the net as quick as they can. That’s what I always appreciated about the original Michigan, this one long smooth pull as he perfectly comes around the net and extends his reach even, holding it for one last fraction of a second to put it in the upper netting.

Svech and Matthews both use the same curve, and Svech uses it real short. It has a high lie so it plays in his feet even if it was longer. His move happens quick, and Matthews does it almost as a fly by, and really tight to the net jamming it in. In today’s game that way is probably the only way to make it happen, a quick jamming move that’s maybe less pretty but more functional and gets it there quick.

That’s not the way it happened in my games. More slow and deliberate, more likely to get caught.

 

[VoodooChile]

I think part of it too might be that he went from a 40 pt guy to a PPG guy, he suddenly found his game and I think that maybe rubbed some fans the wrong way (like why weren't you performing like that for us?). I don't recall lots of boo's though until after the skol clap incident...but don't really remember that well honestly.

Fans here are generally pretty good about returning players I think, we certainly seem to do a lot more "tributes" than many other teams (though I guess I don't necessarily get to see tons of those broadcasts, just what's on NBCSN - so Penguins games)

I remember Keith Primeau being booed out of the building every time he touched the puck on his returns. And all he wanted was to be paid as much as Francis if I recall correctly. Also we laid into his brother Wayne pretty good after the hold out. Booing Primeau was pretty fun though.

 

[GoldiFox]

Rod was at the Stormtrackers club meeting today and talked about Svech's lacrosse goal. He had some interesting points

• Svech practices the move regularly and Rod said "He wouldn't be out there practicing it if we didn't want him to use it"
• Rod said there are very few people in the world that can make that play. That lifting the puck up on your stick isn't difficult but cradling it up into the puck-sized hole in the corner at NHL speed is special
• Rod said he'd be surprised if Svech ever got another one and that he expects defensemen to be on the lookout and "ready to crush him" if he tries it again. Nonetheless Svech has free reign to try again if he has time and space behind the net

He talked about a lot of things but did mention at the end that Williams wanted to coach his kid's hockey team and that season ends in January. 30 games + a Playoff run with the Canes is not out of the question. He said if Williams does come back it won't be a surprise announcement, that he will skate with the team for a month+ before any signing.

 

[bleedgreen]

Rod was at the Stormtrackers club meeting today and talked about Svech's lacrosse goal. He had some interesting points

• Svech practices the move regularly and Rod said "He wouldn't be out there practicing it if we didn't want him to use it"
• Rod said there are very few people in the world that can make that play. That lifting the puck up on your stick isn't difficult but cradling it up into the puck-sized hole in the corner at NHL speed is special
• Rod said he'd be surprised if Svech ever got another one and that he expects defensemen to be on the lookout and "ready to crush him" if he tries it again. Nonetheless Svech has free reign to try again if he has time and space behind the net

He talked about a lot of things but did mention at the end that Williams wanted to coach his kid's hockey team and that season ends in January. 30 games + a Playoff run with the Canes is not out of the question. He said if Williams does come back it won't be a surprise announcement, that he will skate with the team for a month+ before any signing.

I know it’s Rod and I wouldn’t want to disagree with him to his face but its actually pretty easy to put the puck in the net that way once it’s on the blade. That wasn’t something his generation did. Ever. I’m sure it’s magic to him. I agree with him the way Svech gets it on the blade is easy for a pro, it’s the difference between the Michigan and the “Svech”. He used the way any player scoops the puck to pop it to the ref to get it on the blade. I used to teach lessons to beginners and we’d goof around at the end. I could get 10 year olds and older folk alike to get it into the net once it’s on the blade, to the top corner with some practice. Getting it to get on the blade in the first place was really tough to teach. Once it’s in “lacrosse” position on the blade you can tuck it anywhere you want on the net.

Rod as a player would’ve never done a move like that. I’m glad he’s supportive.

He’s wrong though. I bet every single guy on the Canes could do the move. Not as well as Svech, who practices it daily and has sweet mitts in the first place, but they can do it. You guys all saw the video of TT with the golf ball. This goal is child’s play to him.

 

[GoldiFox]

I know it’s Rod and I wouldn’t want to disagree with him to his face but its actually pretty easy to put the puck in the net that way once it’s on the blade. That wasn’t something his generation did. Ever. I’m sure it’s magic to him. I agree with him the way Svech gets it on the blade is easy for a pro, it’s the difference between the Michigan and the “Svech”. He used the way any player scoops the puck to pop it to the ref to get it on the blade. I used to teach lessons to beginners and we’d goof around at the end. I could get 10 year olds and older folk alike to get it into the net once it’s on the blade, to the top corner with some practice. Getting it to get on the blade in the first place was really tough to teach. Once it’s in “lacrosse” position on the blade you can tuck it anywhere you want on the net.

Rod as a player would’ve never done a move like that. I’m glad he’s supportive.

He’s wrong though. I bet every single guy on the Canes could do the move. Not as well as Svech, who practices it daily and has sweet mitts in the first place, but they can do it. You guys all saw the video of TT with the golf ball. This goal is child’s play to him.

One thing Rod mentioned that is blatant now watching the replay again is that Kylington (the D on Svech) was on the wrong post. Which is a mistake on Kylington's part, but that goes into the whole package of why this was the first NHL lacrosse goal ever. Big power forward Svechnikov is carrying momentum behind the net on the PP. He sees Kylington drifting to cover a wrap-around or centering pass from the opposite side of the net. In one fluid motion Svech brakes, cuts back, and attacks the corner with a lacrosse attempt.

Maybe Chad Larose could shovel a goal into the corner given the puck up on his blade with his defender at the wrong post. But few players in the league outside of Svech could make it all come together.

 

[bleedgreen]

One thing Rod mentioned that is blatant now watching the replay again is that Kylington (the D on Svech) was on the wrong post. Which is a mistake on Kylington's part, but that goes into the whole package of why this was the first NHL lacrosse goal ever. Big power forward Svechnikov is carrying momentum behind the net on the PP. He sees Kylington drifting to cover a wrap-around or centering pass from the opposite side of the net. In one fluid motion Svech brakes, cuts back, and attacks the corner with a lacrosse attempt.

Maybe Chad Larose could shovel a goal into the corner given the puck up on his blade with his defender at the wrong post. But few players in the league outside of Svech could make it all come together.

I agree Chad’s version wouldn’t be as pretty! He’d probably fall down after or during it’s true. The one thing I’ll say to that is he’s practicing it every day, Tripp was talking about how Svech told him he was going to score it, there a big Instagram thing where a popular poster was starting a joke collection trying to get pros to do it in the nhl. He beat at least Matthews to getting it done.

It’s a great goal and Im not trying to take anything away from it. I’ve always loved the skill of these goals. I find Rod’s praise completely in line in how he supports his players but a little over the top in the phrasing, as I think you were there in your post. It’s not quite that rare or impossible imo, and those comments don’t fall in line with the skill level not only throughout the league but on our own team. TT is better with the puck than Svech by a mile. As is Aho but he’s not going to spend time doing this. I want Svech to be considered amongst the most talented young guys in the league too, I’d love to see him blow his shot past goalies more frequently now that we got this one out of the way. With that release he’s at least a 40 goal guy if he can consistently get the puck in scoring position.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Well I think that’s why Matthews and Svech don’t lift the puck up the way the Michigan is. It takes too long and people can defend it. Instead just just ramp the puck up the blade or pop it in the air quick and once it’s on the blade get it in the net as quick as they can. That’s what I always appreciated about the original Michigan, this one long smooth pull as he perfectly comes around the net and extends his reach even, holding it for one last fraction of a second to put it in the upper netting.

Svech and Matthews both use the same curve, and Svech uses it real short. It has a high lie so it plays in his feet even if it was longer. His move happens quick, and Matthews does it almost as a fly by, and really tight to the net jamming it in. In today’s game that way is probably the only way to make it happen, a quick jamming move that’s maybe less pretty but more functional and gets it there quick.

That’s not the way it happened in my games. More slow and deliberate, more likely to get caught.

I didn't realize what Svech did was different from "The Michigan". Makes sense now.

I just saw the TV replay of it. John Forslund utters "Lacrosse Goal" before the puck is even in the back of the net. Does this guy f***ing microdose before he rolls out to work? JFC.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I didn't realize what Svech did was different from "The Michigan". Makes sense now.

I just saw the TV replay of it. John Forslund utters "Lacrosse Goal" before the puck is even in the back of the net. Does this guy ****ing microdose before he rolls out to work? JFC.

To be fair... if we knew it was coming, and we did, then Johnny knew it was coming.

 

[Roboturner913]

I didn't realize what Svech did was different from "The Michigan". Makes sense now.

I just saw the TV replay of it. John Forslund utters "Lacrosse Goal" before the puck is even in the back of the net. Does this guy ****ing microdose before he rolls out to work? JFC.

There's really only one thing you're going to do when you bend down to flip the puck up on your stick like that.

 

[bleedgreen]

I didn't realize what Svech did was different from "The Michigan". Makes sense now.

I just saw the TV replay of it. John Forslund utters "Lacrosse Goal" before the puck is even in the back of the net. Does this guy ****ing microdose before he rolls out to work? JFC.

And it’s really not better or worse. It’s just different. I like the old school way because to me that shit is an art form, especially when combined with the finish. That Hoglund goal is mind bending to me. Beating a guy, not a lot of time and space and off balance. That’s some Gumby shit right there.

Svech’s way is how you get it done in the NHL. Whatever it takes to quickly get it on the blade and then bury it as hard and quick as you can.

 

[Roboturner913]

I think I must be one in the vast minority who doesn't give too many cares about how many style points that goal earned. We ****in' NEEDED that goal. I don't care if he had liquid diarrhea dripping down the back of his pants leg while scoring, 8-3-1 looks a hell of a lot better than 7-4-1.

 

[Roboturner913]

yeah, I went the poop route

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I think I must be one in the vast minority who doesn't give too many cares about how many style points that goal earned. We ****in' NEEDED that goal. I don't care if he had liquid diarrhea dripping down the back of his pants leg while scoring, 8-3-1 looks a hell of a lot better than 7-4-1.

Or if he liquid peed his pants.

 

[Roboturner913]

I tend to go for the gusto with these analogies

 

[bleedgreen]

I think I must be one in the vast minority who doesn't give too many cares about how many style points that goal earned. We ****in' NEEDED that goal. I don't care if he had liquid diarrhea dripping down the back of his pants leg while scoring, 8-3-1 looks a hell of a lot better than 7-4-1.

I don’t know that I’ll ever look at Svech the same....

 

[RodTheBawd]

Jesus bg, how long are you planning on grinding this axe?

 

[Lempo]

I think I must be one in the vast minority who doesn't give too many cares about how many style points that goal earned. We ****in' NEEDED that goal. I don't care if he had liquid diarrhea dripping down the back of his pants leg while scoring, 8-3-1 looks a hell of a lot better than 7-4-1.

That stuff is usually more of the boweliness of the long distance runner.

 

[geehaad]

yeah, I went the poop route

Gotta be da butt, Bob.

 

[Canes]

That stuff is usually more of the boweliness of the long distance runner.

Every runner has had a close call if not the real deal sharts. Luckily I haven't yet but it's my biggest fear in a race.

 

[Negan4Coach]

To be fair... if we knew it was coming, and we did, then Johnny knew it was coming.

So when it happened, you guys were all like "OMFG, Svech is doing the Michigan!!!" and then it like happened, all in a time frame where your synapses totally comprehended the totality of what was going on In like less than a quarter second. Got it.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

So when it happened, you guys were all like "OMFG, Svech is doing the Michigan!!!" and then it like happened, all in a time frame where your synapses totally comprehended the totality of what was going on In like less than a quarter second. Got it.

Yeah, pretty much, actually.

You don't have to believe that, of course. But then again, I don't give a shit what you believe.