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Proposal: Cal and Mtl

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pth2 said:
Mailloux is the only one with interesting value, but Xhekaj could change things and become valuable over, say the next 15 months. But right now, Barron, Xhekaj, Dvorak and Pezzetta aren't worth much more than a reclamation project...

But trolls will argue that because Habs fans consider that Barron, when acquired, was equivalent to a first rounder, then they still think that over 2 years later, or that the high end of Xhekaj's potential is a consensus valuation of his current trade value.
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I have mixed feelings on Wifi. I liked him in Laval with Mailloux last year - thought it was hilarious that the media named that combo a "monstre à deux têtes" (two headed monster) , which is a term you usually give to a team that has two incredible players on attack (ex McDavid and Draisaitl). Kid seems grounded and has a winning attitude. Seems physical and able to join in on the offense, with a surprising shot.

However, it is like he wants to just be a goon sometimes. If that is the case, i'd want to trade him while he has hype value and put a goon on the 4th line if needed. It hurts less to have a goon on attack when you lose him.
 
Crow52 said:
Cal: Andersson, Pospisil & 2nd('25)
Mtl: 1st(Cal/Fld), Barron, Dvorak & Pezzetta
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I was going to slam this down...then I saw Pezzetta, the 26 year old former 6th rounder who has yet to secure a spot in the NHL, and that really tipped things in Calgary's favor.

It's a late 1st and 3 players with next to zero value for Andersson, Pospisil...and Calgary adds a high 2nd. Why would you possibly post this? Would anyone pick up any of Barron, Dvorak, and Pezzatta for free on waivers?

pth2 said:
This is just as bad as the original proposal...
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No its' not.

Andersson is a legit and young top pairing D-man. You have to give to get. It might be slightly off with both Mailloux and the 1st included, but it's pretty close. Mailloux looks great but is not a sure thing.
 
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blankall said:
No its' not.

Andersson is a legit and young top pairing D-man. You have to give to get. It might be slightly off with both Mailloux and the 1st included, but it's pretty close. Mailloux looks great but is not a sure thing.
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No, there is no way Montreal moves a potential top 10 pick, a D picked 31st and progressing well, as well as a guy acquired for 2 picks in the 30s, for a D in his prime, who is a UFA after the 2026 playoffs, and likely to cost a fortune to resign. Montreal gives up tons of cost-controlled years to get less than 2 in return.
This just makes no sense for Montreal.
 
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pth2 said:
No, there is no way Montreal moves a potential top 10 pick, a D picked 31st and progressing well, as well as a guy acquired for 2 picks in the 30s, for a D in his prime, who is a UFA after the 2026 playoffs, and likely to cost a fortune to resign. Montreal gives up tons of cost-controlled years to get less than 2 in return.
This just makes no sense for Montreal.
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Though you forget to mention that it would be a deal for an extended Andersson.
 
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pth2 said:
No, there is no way Montreal moves a potential top 10 pick, a D picked 31st and progressing well, as well as a guy acquired for 2 picks in the 30s, for a D in his prime, who is a UFA after the 2026 playoffs, and likely to cost a fortune to resign. Montreal gives up tons of cost-controlled years to get less than 2 in return.
This just makes no sense for Montreal.
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Young top pairing defenders have a lot of value. Defenceman tend to develop later, so they are rarely as cost controlled in their prime. That's just the way it is.
 
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blankall said:
Young top pairing defenders have a lot of value. Defenceman tend to develop later, so they are rarely as cost controlled in their prime. That's just the way it is.
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He's not young. He's in his prime. A young player who could grow with the Habs young core would be of interest, a guy who will be in clear decline when guys like Slafkovsky, Caufield, Hutson and Reinbacher are in their prime isn't as attractive.

Benstheman said:
Though you forget to mention that it would be a deal for an extended Andersson.
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And you forgot an extension can't be signed until the summer of 2025.
 
pth2 said:
He's not young. He's in his prime. A young player who could grow with the Habs young core would be of interest, a guy who will be in clear decline when guys like Slafkovsky, Caufield, Hutson and Reinbacher are in their prime isn't as attractive.


And you forgot an extension can't be signed until the summer of 2025.
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Nope I didn’t
 
Benstheman said:
Nope I didn’t
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Oh well, that was your only excuse for a bad proposal.

Mailloux and Florida/CGY's first would be my offer; likely not enough but that's ok. An extension could be agreed upon but not signed at the draft, and signed weeks later.
 
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pth2 said:
Oh well, that was your only excuse for a bad proposal.

Mailloux and Florida/CGY's first would be my offer; likely not enough but that's ok. An extension could be agreed upon but not signed at the draft, and signed weeks later.
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lol ok
 
pth2 said:
He's not young. He's in his prime. A young player who could grow with the Habs young core would be of interest, a guy who will be in clear decline when guys like Slafkovsky, Caufield, Hutson and Reinbacher are in their prime isn't as attractive.
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D-men, generally, develop slower than forwards, and that's especially true with Europeans. I'd say Andersson is just entering his prime. The Canadiens have:

Dach: 23
Caufield: 23
Suzuki: 25

All of those guys are entering, or well into, their primes too. In fact, on average, forwards peak at 24-25 and then begin a slow decline.

Montreal should either be building around and running with the Caufield/Suzuki core or they should be tearing things down. Just remaining in stasis for 3 more years while you collect kind of high draft picks doesn't make sense. Montreal clearly needs an upgrade in net and on defence if they are going to move forward with their current group. You won't be able to draft those positions, which typically take many years to develop, in time.
 
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blankall said:
D-men, generally, develop slower than forwards, and that's especially true with Europeans. I'd say Andersson is just entering his prime. The Canadiens have:

Dach: 23
Caufield: 23
Suzuki: 25

All of those guys are entering, or well into, their primes too. In fact, on average, forwards peak at 24-25 and then begin a slow decline.

Montreal should either be building around and running with the Caufield/Suzuki core or they should be tearing things down. Just remaining in stasis for 3 more years while you collect kind of high draft picks doesn't make sense. Montreal clearly needs an upgrade in net and on defence if they are going to move forward with their current group. You won't be able to draft those positions, which typically take many years to develop, in time.
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Aren’t they already doing that? They’ve been building up their core through high draft picks while adding young secondary pieces trades.

Montreal doesn’t need upgrades on defense and in net. They need time to let the key pieces they have mature. They 4 key pieces of Montreal backend are all progressing very well. Guhle (22) and Hutson (20) on the left side with Mailloux (21) and Reinbacher (19) on the right side. 3 of them already showed they can handle NHL minutes and two of them already showed their ability to play a top 4 role at a young age already.

Montreal offense is in good hands. I believe Habs offense will be driven primarily by Suzuki, Slafkovsky and Demidov and will have plenty of secondary scoring and complimentary pieces, which is key for any real contenders. Caufield, Laine, Newhook and Dach along with whoever graduates from Beck, Hage, Roy, Kapanen and whoever they decide to add along the way will be key to our success in the playoff.

I also can't entirely agree with your take on forwards. They usually peak at 25-26 until 30-31, when they start regressing. I also think Montreal needs to acquire a solid top 4/top pair RHD to ease in Mailloux and Reinbacher while they start being more competitive. Easier said than done, though, as I know most teams usually want to keep those guys at all costs.

pth2 said:
He's not young. He's in his prime. A young player who could grow with the Habs young core would be of interest, a guy who will be in clear decline when guys like Slafkovsky, Caufield, Hutson and Reinbacher are in their prime isn't as attractive.
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Not really, no. If you were to acquire someone at D, you want someone who can ease in Mailloux and Reinbacher and eat a lot of hard minutes. Acquiring a prospect or someone who is just entering the league make no sense at all.
 
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Baksfamous112 said:
Not really, no. If you were to acquire someone at D, you want someone who can ease in Mailloux and Reinbacher and eat a lot of hard minutes. Acquiring a prospect or someone who is just entering the league make no sense at all.
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Well, that would be ideal, but I expect the price would be too high to get someone who is a clear top 4. I expect Savard type UFA signings: someone who can fill in in the top 4 but doesn't belong there on a good team.
 
Andersson, if dealt, will go to an aspiring team ready to pay premium future for him.

Not a rebuilding team that needs this future... for the future....

But Calgary is actually competing and an aspiring playoff team. Andersson is their top point producer.

So it's basically a pointless post...
 
samsagat said:
Andersson, if dealt, will go to an aspiring team ready to pay premium future for him.

Not a rebuilding team that needs this future... for the future....

But Calgary is actually competing and an aspiring playoff team. Andersson is their top point producer.

So it's basically a pointless post...
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Would you do Andersson and Zary for Guhle?
 
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Backlund said:
Not really because who exactly are they trading that pick for? The improvements Calgary needs are going to come from the prospects they draft and develop and not the castaways from other teams. We don't need full rights because if things look like we could potentially have to give away that pick we could just tank the end of the season and make sure we keep it.

This is like last season when Habs fans kept insisting the only way Tij Iginla would end up on the Flames is by trading with them and Calgary needed to give up the farm to ensure that. Neither team drafted him and nobody cares anymore. Holding a gun to someone's head only works if you actually have bullets to fire and they're scared of you pulling the trigger. You don't have the leverage you think you do.
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Rather silly statement there. Lets reword that. A gun to the head extortion works because one side has convinced the other side that an unfavorable outcome will occur if the demands of the blackmail are not met. There may or may not be a bullet in the chamber and the party may or may not be willing to pull the trigger. The illusion whether real or not is what counts.
 
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