C Quinton Byfield - Sudbury Wolves, OHL (2020 Draft) II

[ijuka]

I absolutely agree. The problem is black players have traditionally been given a lower role on teams (and I mean skill plays in for some where they had to play that way to stay in the game).. but guys like Worrell, Laraque, Brashear, McCarthy, Mayers, Reaves, Simmonds have all played the tough guy role..

So when far more offensively skilled players such as Subban, Kane, Chris Stewart (at one point), Okposo etc try to flash a skill game, they get told that they're not gritty enough, or sometimes seen as dirty players on the other end of the spectrum. Or because guys like Subban, Kane, Ho-Sang, Emery try to show any type of un-Crosby, anti-robotic personality in the game, they're immediately pegged as locker room cancers.

There is 100% a racial bias in hockey, whether it is conscious or subconscious for some, and it needs to be dealt with for the game to grow.

Uh, behaviour of people like Evander Kane does earn them some criticism, and rightfully so. I don't really get this attitude of "well it's just black people, they're going to behave like this, they don't know any better", isn't that what racism is? Why should Evander Kane get away with the sort of behaviour he's displayed?

And really, he's a really poor example because you can take, oh, say, Dustin Byfuglien who's an absolute fan favorite.

 

[57special]

Many, many players of all sorts of races play the grinder, tough guy role. It is not, and never has been the exclusive domain of any one race. There have been talented, HOF black players like Iginla and Fuhr, Norris winners like Subban, talented but ultimately underperforming players like Kane and Stewart( might be a bit unfair to Kane, here), mid tier players like Mckegney and Grier, and tough guys like Reaves and Brashear.

 

[Osprey]

I absolutely agree. The problem is black players have traditionally been given a lower role on teams (and I mean skill plays in for some where they had to play that way to stay in the game).. but guys like Worrell, Laraque, Brashear, McCarthy, Mayers, Reaves, Simmonds have all played the tough guy role..

So when far more offensively skilled players such as Subban, Kane, Chris Stewart (at one point), Okposo etc try to flash a skill game, they get told that they're not gritty enough, or sometimes seen as dirty players on the other end of the spectrum. Or because guys like Subban, Kane, Ho-Sang, Emery try to show any type of un-Crosby, anti-robotic personality in the game, they're immediately pegged as locker room cancers.

There is 100% a racial bias in hockey, whether it is conscious or subconscious for some, and it needs to be dealt with for the game to grow.

I believe that he was being sarcastic and suggesting confirmation bias. I think that you may be doing the same thing, to be honest. Most of the players that you mention for "play[ing] the tough guy role" did so because they had no skill. You can't honestly believe that Worrell, Laraque, Brashear and company were top-6 quality players, but were forced to play in the bottom 6 because of racism. As for the skilled players that you mention, half (Kane and Stewart) are kind of dirty. Finally, white players are frowned upon for showing "personality," too. If Avery or Torres or Carcillo were black, you probably would've included them in your lists, so you can't know if you're including players just because they're black.

 

[wetcoast]

I THINK you are being sarcastic.

I don't think hockey is racist.

Hockey isn't racist but society as a whole is and it's something to be worked on.

Back to Byfield, I think he is a case of a large body that might catch up in his D+! season and everyone will go, no way,I always thought he was going to be awesome...

As good as Stuztle is as a prospect I see the Kings taking Byfield and having zero regrets about it.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Does anyone get a vibe about Quinton that the quite confidence is a ticking time bomb?

 

[13 others]

Does anyone get a vibe about Quinton that the quite confidence is a ticking time bomb?

What do you mean?

 

[ORRFForever]

Hockey isn't racist but society as a whole is and it's something to be worked on.

In our defense, Canada is easily one of the LEAST racist countries on earth.

I know people of colour who moved here just for that reason.

 

[BlackEye from Xhekaj]

I believe that he was being sarcastic and suggesting confirmation bias. I think that you may be doing the same thing, to be honest. Most of the players that you mention for "play[ing] the tough guy role" did so because they had no skill. You can't honestly believe that Worrell, Laraque, Brashear and company were top-6 quality players, but were forced to play in the bottom 6 because of racism. As for the skilled players that you mention, half (Kane and Stewart) are kind of dirty. Finally, white players are frowned upon for showing "personality," too. If Avery or Torres or Carcillo were black, you probably would've included them in your lists, so you can't know if you're including players just because they're black.

You're suggesting that Kane and Subban are similar to Avery? Absolutely ridiculous.. Avery took everything to an extreme level. He and guys like Steve Downie are the problem with behavior in hockey. Kane has been in headlines for certain things (some negative), but most of it is for having a personality in a sport where personality and individuality is frowned upon.

 

[BlackEye from Xhekaj]

Hockey isn't racist but society as a whole is and it's something to be worked on.

Back to Byfield, I think he is a case of a large body that might catch up in his D+! season and everyone will go, no way,I always thought he was going to be awesome...

As good as Stuztle is as a prospect I see the Kings taking Byfield and having zero regrets about it.

Also, to get back on topic, I do believe that Byfield will come out stronger after working g out with Roberts these past months, and really becoming a force next season.

 

[57special]

Byfield has the highest ceiling of anyone in this draft, including Lafreniere. I wasn't always crazy about what I saw on the ice with him, but he is very young, still growing, and even then has terrific skills.

 

[duul]

It's hilarious that calling into question someone's hockey IQ is seen as 'racist' if they're black. Byfield makes stupid decisions with the puck. The talk with Darnell Nurse was that if he ever figured out what to do with the puck, he would be a superstar defenceman. Well, he never figured it out. His hockey IQ is low.

These people choose to ignore players like Iginla, Byfuglien, Subban, Seth Jones, etc who are all superstar NHL players, with high hockey IQ. When we criticize a black player for having low hockey IQ, should we also make a point of addressing the hundreds of NHL players who are white who have also had low hockey IQ in the past? This is such an utter joke.

The fact that people are being called racist for saying a black player makes dumb plays with the puck is mind-bottling. Nobody gives a f*** what color a hockey player is. If we go through all the black NHL players through the years, I'm sure we come to a similar ratio of skilled/goon players as we do with whites. Although I'm of the opinion that even bothering to look into something like that would be cringe and pathetic.

There is something seriously wrong in the brains of some of these SJW types, many of you in this thread who are insinuating that criticizing a hockey player for having flaws. Hell, that some random hockey fans on a forum with expertise levels all over the board, from backgrounds all over the board, from locations all over the world are criticizing a hockey player for having flaws -- this somehow means there is some deep-rooted racist issue in the sport. Give me a break.

Byfield makes stupid plays with the puck. Constantly runs out of the room on the ice. Reminds me a lot of Darnell Nurse. Reminds me a lot of Magnus Paajarvi and Jesse Puljujarvi too in that sense. You can tell their tools are incredible. Byfield has potential to be a superstar. As did Nurse, Paajarvi, and Puljujarvi. None of them did, and it remains to be seen if Byfield will as well. What label do we use that's similar to racism to claim someone is saying Magnus Paajarvi had severely low hockey IQ?

Color of skin doesn't mean shit. Byfield has obvious boom/bust potential. I'd love to see him end up a superstar in the league. The more talent in the NHL the better, nobody here will disagree with that. He's a man against boys in the OHL and we've seen it happen many times where these players don't pan out when they come up against other men. Simple as.

It starts to become a very serious issue when you have people scared to criticize someone for their flaws publically due to the color of their skin, man. You start here, and in 50 years time the league is going to have to be mandated 50% rosters of black people. No wait, 33% because we're going to need 33% Asians as well. No wait, 25% because we've forget the Natives. Hold on hold on. 20% because of the Indians...and what about women?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Hockey is so racist. I remember watching a broadcast a few years ago when a black player was compared to Wayne Simmonds. Can't remember who the player was but they basically played nothing alike. The commentator clearly just compared them based on what they look like. The other commentator was silent for a second, you could tell he caught it to and didn't know how to respond.

The horror !

How about when players are being compared, just because they have the same nationality? Like German, Polish, Slovenian. Even whey they are a completely different players.

It happens. We like to compare, human behavior, nothing wrong with it.

Please get out of here with this nonsense.


Byfield is a pretty good player.

 

[Samsquanch]

It's hilarious that calling into question someone's hockey IQ is seen as 'racist' if they're black. Byfield makes stupid decisions with the puck. The talk with Darnell Nurse was that if he ever figured out what to do with the puck, he would be a superstar defenceman. Well, he never figured it out. His hockey IQ is low.

These people choose to ignore players like Iginla, Byfuglien, Subban, Seth Jones, etc who are all superstar NHL players, with high hockey IQ. When we criticize a black player for having low hockey IQ, should we also make a point of addressing the hundreds of NHL players who are white who have also had low hockey IQ in the past? This is such an utter joke.

The fact that people are being called racist for saying a black player makes dumb plays with the puck is mind-bottling. Nobody gives a f*** what color a hockey player is. If we go through all the black NHL players through the years, I'm sure we come to a similar ratio of skilled/goon players as we do with whites. Although I'm of the opinion that even bothering to look into something like that would be cringe and pathetic.

There is something seriously wrong in the brains of some of these SJW types, many of you in this thread who are insinuating that criticizing a hockey player for having flaws. Hell, that some random hockey fans on a forum with expertise levels all over the board, from backgrounds all over the board, from locations all over the world are criticizing a hockey player for having flaws -- this somehow means there is some deep-rooted racist issue in the sport. Give me a break.

Byfield makes stupid plays with the puck. Constantly runs out of the room on the ice. Reminds me a lot of Darnell Nurse. Reminds me a lot of Magnus Paajarvi and Jesse Puljujarvi too in that sense. You can tell their tools are incredible. Byfield has potential to be a superstar. As did Nurse, Paajarvi, and Puljujarvi. None of them did, and it remains to be seen if Byfield will as well. What label do we use that's similar to racism to claim someone is saying Magnus Paajarvi had severely low hockey IQ?

Color of skin doesn't mean shit. Byfield has obvious boom/bust potential. I'd love to see him end up a superstar in the league. The more talent in the NHL the better, nobody here will disagree with that. He's a man against boys in the OHL and we've seen it happen many times where these players don't pan out when they come up against other men. Simple as.

It starts to become a very serious issue when you have people scared to criticize someone for their flaws publically due to the color of their skin, man. You start here, and in 50 years time the league is going to have to be mandated 50% rosters of black people. No wait, 33% because we're going to need 33% Asians as well. No wait, 25% because we've forget the Natives. Hold on hold on. 20% because of the Indians...and what about women?

Your completely full of shit if you think that a weakness of Byfields is that he makes stupid decisions with the puck. Full stop, you are clearly not a good source of info on Byfield and I have no idea why your posting in here now tbh.

One of Byfields best qualities is that the play rarely dies on his stick- seriously, it's even in most scouting reports, this isnt just a hometown bias. And its one of the best indications he will thrive on a more talented team with quality players.

Byfield was involved in like 36% of his teams goals, despite missing 18 out 63 games this season. That's just silly when you think about it tbh. The only thing holding him back from even more historic numbers was his linemates, with all due respect to them.

His play without the puck is where his game needs work. It's not from a lack of trying either, it's just a bit unstructured in his own zone at the moment. Talk about that if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who's actually viewed the player enough to make an opinion on him.

 

[duul]

Your full of shit if you think that a weakness of Byfields is that he makes stupid decisions with the puck. Full stop, you are clearly not a good source of info on Byfield and I have no idea why your posting in here now tbh.

One of Byfields best qualities is that the play rarely dies on his stick- seriously, it's even in most scouting reports, this isnt just a hometown bias. And its one of the best indications he will thrive on a more talented team with quality players.

Byfield was involved in like 36% of his teams goals, despite missing 18 out 63 games this season. That's just silly when you think about it tbh.

His play without the puck is where his game needs work. Talk about that if you want to be take seriously by anyone who's actually viewed the player enough to make an opinion on him.

Nobody is arguing he didn't play on a one line team. He did, and he got to play full offence. Nobody is denying he has offensive talent either. He has potential to be a superstar.

What you've said doesn't disprove what I've said in the slightest. All you're saying is that he got endless opportunities to produce offence with little regard for defensive responsibility. Doesn't really matter, but the play dies on his stick very often as he'll skate himself into the corner or out of high danger areas. Happens constantly. You can say you aren't biased but you very clearly are.

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

And now he's training with Gary Roberts so Watch the F**K OUT!

 

[Samsquanch]

Nobody is arguing he didn't play on a one line team. He did, and he got to play full offence. Nobody is denying he has offensive talent either. He has potential to be a superstar.

What you've said doesn't disprove what I've said in the slightest. All you're saying is that he got endless opportunities to produce offence with little regard for defensive responsibility. Doesn't really matter, but the play dies on his stick very often as he'll skate himself into the corner or out of high danger areas. Happens constantly. You can say you aren't biased but you very clearly are.

What am I disproving? Your making a nonsense point that cant be measured in any capacity...

What does it mean to make stupid decisions with puck? Relative to what? All offensive players make giveaways at times, especially players that are carrying their teams. Are you saying that Byfield makes an exceptional amount of stupid giveaways? Who is the judge of this, and what are the metrics?

You've proven absolutely f*** all yourself other than that you have an opinion that is contrary to most scouting reports on him. Have a nice night.

 

[BB06]

What am I disproving? Your making a nonsense point that cant be measured in any capacity...

What does it mean to make stupid decisions with puck? Relative to what? All offensive players make giveaways at times, especially players that are carrying their teams. Are you saying that Byfield makes an exceptional amount of stupid giveaways? Who is the judge of this, and what are the metrics?

You've proven absolutely f*** all yourself other than that you have an opinion that is contrary to most scouting reports on him. Have a nice night.

Seriously what is that guy watching. Skating out of high danger areas? One of his best traits is holding onto the puck in high danger areas while drawing on defenders to create an even higher danger chance for his teammates. His passing ability in HDA is sublime.

 

[Great Panda 2]

It's hilarious that calling into question someone's hockey IQ is seen as 'racist' if they're black. Byfield makes stupid decisions with the puck. The talk with Darnell Nurse was that if he ever figured out what to do with the puck, he would be a superstar defenceman. Well, he never figured it out. His hockey IQ is low.

These people choose to ignore players like Iginla, Byfuglien, Subban, Seth Jones, etc who are all superstar NHL players, with high hockey IQ. When we criticize a black player for having low hockey IQ, should we also make a point of addressing the hundreds of NHL players who are white who have also had low hockey IQ in the past? This is such an utter joke.

The fact that people are being called racist for saying a black player makes dumb plays with the puck is mind-bottling. Nobody gives a f*** what color a hockey player is. If we go through all the black NHL players through the years, I'm sure we come to a similar ratio of skilled/goon players as we do with whites. Although I'm of the opinion that even bothering to look into something like that would be cringe and pathetic.

There is something seriously wrong in the brains of some of these SJW types, many of you in this thread who are insinuating that criticizing a hockey player for having flaws. Hell, that some random hockey fans on a forum with expertise levels all over the board, from backgrounds all over the board, from locations all over the world are criticizing a hockey player for having flaws -- this somehow means there is some deep-rooted racist issue in the sport. Give me a break.

Byfield makes stupid plays with the puck. Constantly runs out of the room on the ice. Reminds me a lot of Darnell Nurse. Reminds me a lot of Magnus Paajarvi and Jesse Puljujarvi too in that sense. You can tell their tools are incredible. Byfield has potential to be a superstar. As did Nurse, Paajarvi, and Puljujarvi. None of them did, and it remains to be seen if Byfield will as well. What label do we use that's similar to racism to claim someone is saying Magnus Paajarvi had severely low hockey IQ?

Color of skin doesn't mean shit. Byfield has obvious boom/bust potential. I'd love to see him end up a superstar in the league. The more talent in the NHL the better, nobody here will disagree with that. He's a man against boys in the OHL and we've seen it happen many times where these players don't pan out when they come up against other men. Simple as.

It starts to become a very serious issue when you have people scared to criticize someone for their flaws publically due to the color of their skin, man. You start here, and in 50 years time the league is going to have to be mandated 50% rosters of black people. No wait, 33% because we're going to need 33% Asians as well. No wait, 25% because we've forget the Natives. Hold on hold on. 20% because of the Indians...and what about women?

I mean the fact that you immediately compare him to another black hockey player that has low hockey IQ shows part of the problem.

Thing is, Byfield doesn't have low hockey IQ and black hockey players get accused of having low IQ all the time, far more than white players. The fact that we are discussing his hockey IQ far more than any of the other players in the top 9.

Nobody should be scared to criticize but if you have a dumb opinion, you get called out on it. People having dumb opinions isn't going to cause the league to be more diverse, your fear of diversity and negatizing of it is part of the problem of hockey.

Why is it that the race discussion is only appearing on this player's thread?

Racism absolutely exists in hockey, anyone who denies it should count themself as privileged.

 

[Great Panda 2]

What am I disproving? Your making a nonsense point that cant be measured in any capacity...

What does it mean to make stupid decisions with puck? Relative to what? All offensive players make giveaways at times, especially players that are carrying their teams. Are you saying that Byfield makes an exceptional amount of stupid giveaways? Who is the judge of this, and what are the metrics?

You've proven absolutely f*** all yourself other than that you have an opinion that is contrary to most scouting reports on him. Have a nice night.

When the argument for him having low IQ is to immediately compare him to another black player, that should tell you what that poster is basing their opinion on.

 

[BB06]

I mean the fact that you immediately compare him to another black hockey player that has low hockey IQ shows part of the problem.

Thing is, Byfield doesn't have low hockey IQ and black hockey players get accused of having low IQ all the time, far more than white players. The fact that we are discussing his hockey IQ far more than any of the other players in the top 9.

Nobody should be scared to criticize but if you have a dumb opinion, you get called out on it. People having dumb opinions isn't going to cause the league to be more diverse, your fear of diversity and negatizing of it is part of the problem of hockey.

Why is it that the race discussion is only appearing on this player's thread?

Racism absolutely exists in hockey, anyone who denies it should count themself as privileged.

When the argument for him having low IQ is to immediately compare him to another black player, that should tell you what that poster is basing their opinion on.

I was honestly just criticizing his post on how I felt he hasn’t watched Byfield if that’s what he’s thinking about his game but you bring up an interesting point. The player he’s using as a comparison even plays a completely different position

 

[Samsquanch]

Seriously what is that guy watching. Skating out of high danger areas? One of his best holding onto the puck in danger areas while drawing on defenders to create an even higher danger chance for his teammates. His passing ability in HDA is sublime.

I can tell you who hes not watching...

Unfortunately he just seems to be throwing random shit against the wall to see what sticks. No idea what his agenda really is in here but if we are to believe him in his long post that I quoted, its definitely not about black hockey players or race....

But agreed about Byfield, and it's really what sums him up as a elite offensive player. He protects the puck with his huge body and maintains control with soft hands while drawing in defenders and opening up his teammates. Its is his bread and butter. And he is literally getting praised by Stillman (coach) all the time about his ability to make the right play with the puck, like a noteworthy amount amount of praise I'm talking about. So it's somewhat satisfying seeing a naysayer come right out and expose themselves, save a me a lot of grief I must say.

You know who gives away the puck a lot though? Tim Stutzle. Hes a flashy puck wizard that gets caught trying to do much with it at times.

That's just a symptom of being a young star that was always the biggest fish in a small pond, and hes still learning his limits in a mens league/against top competion. But it's a critisiscm that's far more grounded in reality than whatever this guy is trying to say about Byfield.

 

[Great Panda 2]

I can tell you who hes not watching...

Unfortunately he just seems to be throwing random shit against the wall to see what sticks. No idea what his agenda really is in here but if we are to believe him in his long post that I quoted, its definitely not about black hockey players or race....

But agreed about Byfield, and it's really what sums him up as a elite offensive player. He protects the puck with his huge body and maintains control with soft hands while drawing in defenders and opening up his teammates. Its is his bread and butter. And he is literally getting praised by Stillman (coach) all the time about his ability to make the right play with the puck, like a noteworthy amount amount of praise I'm talking about. So it's somewhat satisfying seeing a naysayer come right out and expose themselves, save a me a lot of grief I must say.

You know who gives away the puck a lot though? Tim Stutzle. Hes a flashy puck wizard that gets caught trying to do much with it at times.

That's just a symptom of being a young star that was always the biggest fish in a small pond, and hes still learning his limits in a mens league/against top competion. But it's a critisiscm that's far more grounded in reality than whatever this guy is trying to say about Byfield.

Stutzle reminds me of Barzal in that way.

Is Nurse actually a low IQ player? Ive always seen him as a low skill player, a defensive dman who skates well. It's weird how he's considered a low IQ player nowadays when similiar players are just considered offensive duds. Could be wrong though, I've always liked him so I could be biased.

 

[The Lukeman]

It's hilarious that calling into question someone's hockey IQ is seen as 'racist' if they're black. Byfield makes stupid decisions with the puck. The talk with Darnell Nurse was that if he ever figured out what to do with the puck, he would be a superstar defenceman. Well, he never figured it out. His hockey IQ is low.

These people choose to ignore players like Iginla, Byfuglien, Subban, Seth Jones, etc who are all superstar NHL players, with high hockey IQ. When we criticize a black player for having low hockey IQ, should we also make a point of addressing the hundreds of NHL players who are white who have also had low hockey IQ in the past? This is such an utter joke.

The fact that people are being called racist for saying a black player makes dumb plays with the puck is mind-bottling. Nobody gives a f*** what color a hockey player is. If we go through all the black NHL players through the years, I'm sure we come to a similar ratio of skilled/goon players as we do with whites. Although I'm of the opinion that even bothering to look into something like that would be cringe and pathetic.

There is something seriously wrong in the brains of some of these SJW types, many of you in this thread who are insinuating that criticizing a hockey player for having flaws. Hell, that some random hockey fans on a forum with expertise levels all over the board, from backgrounds all over the board, from locations all over the world are criticizing a hockey player for having flaws -- this somehow means there is some deep-rooted racist issue in the sport. Give me a break.

Byfield makes stupid plays with the puck. Constantly runs out of the room on the ice. Reminds me a lot of Darnell Nurse. Reminds me a lot of Magnus Paajarvi and Jesse Puljujarvi too in that sense. You can tell their tools are incredible. Byfield has potential to be a superstar. As did Nurse, Paajarvi, and Puljujarvi. None of them did, and it remains to be seen if Byfield will as well. What label do we use that's similar to racism to claim someone is saying Magnus Paajarvi had severely low hockey IQ?

Color of skin doesn't mean shit. Byfield has obvious boom/bust potential. I'd love to see him end up a superstar in the league. The more talent in the NHL the better, nobody here will disagree with that. He's a man against boys in the OHL and we've seen it happen many times where these players don't pan out when they come up against other men. Simple as.

It starts to become a very serious issue when you have people scared to criticize someone for their flaws publically due to the color of their skin, man. You start here, and in 50 years time the league is going to have to be mandated 50% rosters of black people. No wait, 33% because we're going to need 33% Asians as well. No wait, 25% because we've forget the Natives. Hold on hold on. 20% because of the Indians...and what about women?

You know showing video and stats would be much more productive than you ranting that Byfield makes stupid passes. Support your arguments. Show us some examples of Byfield making some bad decisions. Not discrediting you, there are some highlights that show that off.

But statistically speaking, Byfield has great metrics that high IQ players have.

For example, for vision and playmaking, Byfield was #1 in the CHL (yes better than even Lafreniere) in primary assists per 60. Byfield's playmaking ability is very good.

You don't just lead the league in primary production and primary assists without nhl caliber teammates and have low hockey IQ. He is in the top 5% in the CHL in defensive recoveries, neutral zone recoveries, and Zone entries/exits. Those are metrics that point towards a smart player, positionally.

I've watched tons of Byfield, I know what you are talking about when it comes to some of his offensive cycles. Some of those passes are forced and end up turnovers. It's an area of his game where he can have sizable improvement. But Hockey IQ is a lot more than the offensive cycle. Tim Stutzle, does the same thing. He often over handles the puck and tries to skate his way into an opportunity. But would I say Stutzle makes "mind-bottling" plays? No. I'ts just trying to be creative.

 

[Samsquanch]

Stutzle reminds me of Barzal in that way.

Is Nurse actually a low IQ player? Ive always seen him as a low skill player, a defensive dman who skates well. It's weird how he's considered a low IQ player nowadays when similiar players are just considered offensive duds. Could be wrong though, I've always liked him so I could be biased.

Is hockey IQ really even a thing if were being honest?

Like is Chris Phillips a low IQ hockey player? How do we rate his hockey sense?

Here is a guy who was able to put up good points in junior and go 1st OV at the draft - but at the NHL level his peak was a 25pt +36 defensive stalwart that was used strictly to shut down the other teams top lines.

How do you rate his hockey sense? Good defensively and bad offensively? Where do we end up overall? Im just not sure how its supposed to work tbh, especially with Dmen.

Normally 17yr old forwards that put up close to 2pts per game dont get constantly questioned on their hockey sense and IQ, because its obvious that they see the ice well. If their play away from the puck is a weakness, thats all we call it. But then we have Byfield, and for some odd reason no matter what he does, he cant seem to convince some people that hes not scoring just because hes really athletically gifted.........

 

[13 others]

Did evander kane sleep with your girl ?

Did he sleep with you? You're really quick to defend him. Kane in Winnipeg was a disaster. He was hated by both the community and his teammates because of his actions. People who have convinced themselves they are not racist have brought Evander Kane up this thread for only one reason.

I had Byfield ranked #1 in 2018 and many scouts had him ranked solidly #2 in 2019 but somehow he is dropping because he is half black? Clown world.