C/LW Pavel Zacha - Sarnia Sting, OHL (2015, 6th, NJD)
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What is great about that?
BomaLightDevils
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Can somebody post the Tweet from one of the scouts that praise he's game from the start of the season.
Haters gonna hate. This guy is a beast but people will learn. Think he will play the wing when he gets to the pros.
Haters gonna hate. This guy is a beast but people will learn. Think he will play the wing when he gets to the pros.
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He has 14 points in 15 games, disappointing production for a guy taken 6th overall.
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If he had a few more assists it wouldn't be seen this way, he doesn't exactly have a Matt Tkachuk on his wing. Time will tell
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....9 goals in 15 is solid production. How are we gonna rip on him for lack of assists if the surrounding team is pretty awful? Doesn't make sense.
I did want Barzal over Zacha, though.
Is he not playing with Korostelev? That's not exactly chopped liver. That said, 15 games is a very small sample size. For those concerned about his production, I'd check in again at midseason.
Feed Me A Stray Cat
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Ranks out of 256 qualifying forwards in the following:
Shots/G: 30
Primary Pts/G: 33
85th percentile in shots per game and primary points per game. Definitely not worth crapping on him over, but in the same respect you'd like to see Zacha dominating and top 10 in those stats.
Shots/G: 30
Primary Pts/G: 33
85th percentile in shots per game and primary points per game. Definitely not worth crapping on him over, but in the same respect you'd like to see Zacha dominating and top 10 in those stats.
Its more alarming mostly due to the fact he wasn't scoring at great pace last year. Korostelev is nice (but not an elite running mate like Strome and Marner have) and so is Chychrun. I think he would thrive next to a good playmaker due to his shot, but he's asked to be the main guy in Sarnia and that may not be playing to his strengths.
AfroThunder396
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Like FMASC said, he's playing pretty well but not dominating. I'm fine with 9 goals in 15 games, obviously I'd love it if he had more points, but we all know Zacha is raw as hell and is playing on a pretty average team.
He seems to be picking it up lately after a pedestrian first 5 games or so.
He seems to be picking it up lately after a pedestrian first 5 games or so.
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Sub-ppg production since last year means he should never have cracked the top 15. Could still turn out to be a decent player, just not at all on the same level as guys like Marner, Barzal, Strome.
The ignorance in this thread is mind boggling. Everyone looks way too much into stats that they forget to actually watch a LIVE game. Zacha is arguably one of the most rounded players from the draft, and for Christ sakes hes playing on a line with Korostelev and McGregor who is a 16 year old. He creates multiple chances for teammates every game that they haven't been able to finish. He needs to start using that NHL shot more because it is deadley accurate as was witnessed this past weekend against Guelph. I can guarantee the devils are happy with how he's playing so far and happy about where they picked him no doubt. Watch Zacha first before you armchair stat watchers jump the gun and critisize Zacha for not putting up numbers like Strome and Marner are. Have you seen the players they are surrounded with?
I've been at pretty much all the Sting home games this season and he is playing pretty well and there have been multiple occurences I'd say each game where he just takes it over, nobody can touch him, not the best players in the league when he turns it on. The size, speed, and skill combination he has is unlike any other player besides Mcdavid and Eichel in last years draft. Devils won't be regretting picking him anytime soon. World juniors will be his coming out party for people who just read his stats and nothing else. He does everything well.
Bit of an exageration, watched him vs Kitchener and he was far from being the best player on the ice. Macinnis was clearly out playing him, and everyone is beating up on Guelph, the night before Knights put up 10 on them with 3 goals in the first five. I personally think he could be a deadly winger but think he might be miscast as a center, and for that reason I'd take Barzal over him. And at the end of the day stats matter an dhe's getting out produced by Crouse, who isn't surrounded by elite talent either.
That's part of it but Strome and Marner are just outright better than Zacha and in a different tier. It's not even like he has a better all around game than either of them either because they both have great 2 way games.
I think he's been good though he's just not a top 5 (Top 10) like those two are, it's not a fair comparison to make.
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I wonder how many people who make these comments have actually seen Zacha or any of the other guys play in the OHL.
Everything I saw from Zacha during his time with the Devils is elite skill. He was an incredible passer and he had an elite shot. It seemed like he was struggling a bit on how to use his skills, but the skills were evident. On talent alone, he looks like he can be a dominant power winger.
Reminds me a lot of Kovalchuk sometimes. He has the size to be a power forward but he seems to play a more skilled game. Kovalchuk was a bull if he wanted to run people over, but that wasn't his game.
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By far one of the dumbest things I've ever read. He's 18 years old and won't match Barzal/Marner/Strome.
Put the bottle down, this kid is a solid prospect playing on a terrible Sarnia team. His production is better than last year, and he oozes raw talent. This kid will be just fine.
Spencer Watson is one of the deadliest shooters in the OHL, i'd say that's a lot better than what Zacha is dealing with. Besides that I'm not overly concerned with his production. Let's see what the rest of the year brings and hope he starts using that shot a little more.
Comparisons to Strome and Marner have to stop. Sure the difference was only 2 or 3 picks but those guys are next level when it comes to offensive prowess and production.
Watson's better, but Korostelev isn't much worse. Would be interesting to see what Zacha could do though if he was put out left with a high quality playmaker. Plus Zacha plays on the PP with probably the best d-man in the league and its not like he dominated last year when go got time with arguably the best play-making defender in the league. It is unfair to compare him to Marner and Strome, those guys are a tier above. But right now he looks behind at least Rantanen and Barzal, and probably Meier.
terrible Sarnia team? the team in 5th in a tough western conference?
I don't think it's unfair to compare him to those guys. After McDavid/Eichel it was a bit of a drop off. They were picked 3, 4, and 6, are all from the OHL, and have all been sent back for a draft +1.
I also don't get the excuse that Strome and Marner are on another level so you can't compare them. Isn't that the issue being brought up by people? That Strome and Marner are so far ahead of Zacha offensively?
I have seen Zacha play multiple times live now, and I've just never been very impressed with him. I'm sure Devils and Sting fans will take this as me "hating on him", but it's just my honest opinion. Strong, fast, excellent shot, but I don't think he has very high hockey IQ at all.
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The leading point getter on the team has 15 points in 20 games. You are obviously just stat watching. I'd love to see what Marner could to with these sub par forwards and what Zacha could do on London, playing with Tkachuk and Dvorak. Zacha will never get the benefit of the doubt especially being a Devils prospect. He's on pace for 40 goals yet he's disappointing. This kid is a lock to be an NHLer with that speed, shot, hands, aggressiveness and size. How good he will be is the question.
He'll make it but your acting like one Sarnia is the worst team in the league (they aren't), he has the best defender in the league on his team, and Sarnia while not an elite scoring team like Erie or London is still middle of the pack. Marner even as a very undersized 16 year old with middle 6 minutes outproduced what Zacha did with first line minutes as a 17 year old last year. So this is not purely based on who they play with. And its not like Marner is the only comparable, there are guys like Macinnis, and Crouse to look at.
A major reason why Erie and London score at the rate they do is because of Strome and Marner. Last year for example Milano managed to put up 1.36ppg on an absolute wreck of an offence in Plymouth. Good players will put up big numbers regardless, guys like Amadio (96 born, 2014 3rd round pick) and Bitten (98 born, 2016 eligible and not a projected 1st rounder) on worse teams who score less are outproducing him.
He has skill, no one is denying that but after seeing him play and seeing him disappear at times combined with his lack of high end production over a combined 57 OHL game raises some questions. Over the last season, last years and start of this one he has been outproduced by Crouse, whose team has scored fewer 52 goals than Sarnia.
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