I 've seen only highlights of him ,he has some tools , skating is amassing. I think he just need get more confidence. I can see him something between Larkin and FilppulaI guess you didn’t really watch him play if you thought he was better than Kotkaniemi and Hayton. No chance he’s the best centre of the draft. No shot, mediocre offensive awareness.
Lmfao. "No chance" is literally wrong. Every center in the 2018 draft has an opportunity to be the best. Veleno has a better chance than most. Hayton was a reach and Kotkaniemi hasn't played in North America yet (or center for an entire season). Do you think before you post garbage like this?I guess you didn’t really watch him play if you thought he was better than Kotkaniemi and Hayton. No chance he’s the best centre of the draft. No shot, mediocre offensive awareness.
Lmfao. "No chance" is literally wrong. Every center in the 2018 draft has an opportunity to be the best. Veleno has a better chance than most. Hayton was a reach and Kotkaniemi hasn't played in North America yet (or center for an entire season). Do you think before you post garbage like this?
Not coincidence. Poor scouting/selection.You’re really one to talk as you just kept spewing garbage in the Kotkaniemi thread.
Do you think it’s some strange coincidence that Veleno, as a player with exceptional status, had more exposure than all of the players in his age group and yet 7 centres were taken ahead of him? He’s not that good, I’ve seen him more than enough and clearly NHL scouts feel the same way.
Of course, poor scouting by 30 teams in the first roundNot coincidence. Poor scouting/selection.
He's very good and very smart. I'm glad that a great organization will have the opportunity to prove you, and other doubters, very wrong.
I ranked him based on my full-game scouting of him. I don't "stat-watch", as you'd like to suggest.Of course, poor scouting by 30 teams in the first round
I don’t hate Veleno but I think he tops out as a 2C, ideally becomes a good two-way 3C.
If you’d watch him play instead of stat-watching his Drummondville stint you’d think the same.
It doesn’t really matter what the « not uncommon opinion » is when he actually went much lower does it? It’s just pretty telling of his upside in the eyes of professional scouts, not that’s he’s a bad prospect.I ranked him based on my full-game scouting of him. I don't "stat-watch", as you'd like to suggest.
Most people that I know had him in the 10-15 range. It's not an uncommon opinion that he "should" have been drafted higher.
It does matter to a lot of people. Just as an example; prospect ratings on this site. Some people rank players based on numbers, and others use their pre-draft ranking when they discuss "why X player is 20th on my list when drafted 45th overall".It doesn’t really matter what the « not uncommon opinion » is when he actually went much lower does it? It’s just pretty telling of his upside in the eyes of professional scouts, not that’s he’s a bad prospect.
I see you coming back to me with the « scouts were wrong before » argument.
I actually believe JoVel will make the NHL but as a very good 3C. Just not enough of a scorer/offensive threat to be a top 6 C. Kotkaniemi is much better or as good in every category except skating.
I’m not bashing your opinion, just strongly disagreeing with it.It does matter to a lot of people. Just as an example; prospect ratings on this site. Some people rank players based on numbers, and others use their pre-draft ranking when they discuss "why X player is 20th on my list when drafted 45th overall".
You're insinuating that being drafted 30th was "not" a mistake by multiple teams, and I disagree. I think, based on my individual scouting of Joe Veleno through 2017-18 (and all other draftees), he'll be one of the Top-15 players drafted this season. Edit: Sorry, could be. I'm not sold that he'll reach his maximum potential, but I think that his maximum potential exceeds all but about 15 kids selected in this draft.
We won't know who's wrong until about 7 years down the road, if not longer. You can't, legitimately, just bash my opinion based on his current overall selection.
Well, I didn't register for the forum until recently, otherwise my pre-draft opinions would be seen as consistent with my post-draft opinions. I didn't have Rasmussen ranked in the Top-10 of 2017 pre-draft. I had Zadina @ #3 and Veleno @ #11 pre-draft 2018. My opinions don't consider that Detroit is my favorite NHL team.I’m not bashing your opinion, just strongly disagreeing with it.
Especially that you have a slight history of pumping the tires of Wings prospects (Rasmussen, Zadina, now Veleno). Hard to take a fan that can’t be neutral with much seriousness. Like, you really haven’t watched Kotkaniemi if you think JoVel has more potential than him. It’s a matter of tools.
His ceiling is probably Nicklas Backstrom, sans 30 goals/100 points.
You don't think that he has that kind of vision or play style?I'm high on Veleno but just LOL. Wings would be very lucky (and happy) if he turns out as prime Valteri Filppula.
You don't think that he has that kind of vision or play style?
I was thinking the same.I think Cogliano is a reasonable projection, consistent 35-45 point middle six center
Well, agree or disagree, I think that he has that top-playmaking vision.I had him ranked as a mid-first rounder, but I know Mark Edwards said some NHL scouts had a 2nd round grade on him. He is someone people are clearly divided on. I like a lot of what he does, but share the concern with his lack of scoring.
No. Backstrom has been a top playmaker in the league his whole career.
Lol yeah lets straight up compare him to one of the best play maker of the league for a decade... Backstrom is not a product of ovechkin and ovechkin is my all time favorite player.Well, agree or disagree, I think that he has that top-playmaking vision.
If Veleno plays with guys like Mantha, Rasmussen, and Zadina, he could put up numbers close to Backstrom's. Likely not as high, because y'know, Ovechkin plays a part of Backstrom's numbers. His maximum potential though, is an elite playmaker. I don't think he'll ever be great or elite because of his shot, that's for sure. And I also don't guarantee that he'll reach his maximum potential, but that what I can see him being at his best.
I never said that he's a product of Ovechkin, just that Veleno at his best can't put up those numbers, because Detroit doesn't (probably won't) have an Ovechkin-level sniper for him to pass to.Lol yeah lets straight up compare him to one of the best play maker of the league for a decade... Backstrom is not a product of ovechkin and ovechkin is my all time favorite player.
I think Veleno has potential but when a player falls like he did they tend to not pan out.
But the middle six center projections are very fair
And then there are the Kirill Kabanov's and Josh Ho-Sang's (granted Josh's ship has not completely sailed)That’s not true. He is in the same category as Barzal and Chycrun in terms of being highly hyped and scouted for years, only to fall on draft day. Not saying he will end up as good, but players do drop from being overscouted. The ‘complaint’ on Veleno on draft day was that he may only pan out as a 3C, while Hayton went 5th and Dellandrea 13th. Both of them could only end up 3Cs