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C Jack Hughes - USNTDP (2019 Draft) Part III

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S E P H said:
MacKinnon was extremely hyped, even with a terrible WJC showing from him and his head coach. I would definitely put his hype over the likes of even Auston Matthews as well. Drouin was just as hyped though considering the improvement he made compared to a season prior to his draft year.

In terms of talent, Hughes is easily in the Dahlin, MacKinnon, Barkov, or Svechnikov category than he would be to the Zadina and Drouin category.
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Bite yer tongue on Dahlin :-). I put him ahead of everyone but McDavid.
 
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Over the past 10 years this is how I see the tiers based on draft hype and potential:
1: Mcdavid
2: Tavares, Stamkos, McKinnon, Eichel, Matthews
3. Hall, Seguin, Drouin, Marner

My estimation has Hughes in between tiers 2/3 but that’s me. Could end up being a franshise forward like tier 2 or could end up being a slightly less forward like the ones in tier 3
 
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Nabrules said:
Over the past 10 years this is how I see the tiers based on draft hype and potential:
1: Mcdavid
2: Tavares, Stamkos, McKinnon, Eichel, Matthews
3. Hall, Seguin, Drouin, Marner

My estimation has Hughes in between tiers 2/3 but that’s me. Could end up being a franshise forward like tier 2 or could end up being a slightly less forward like the ones in tier 3
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Marner went 4th overall

WTF
 
Nabrules said:
Over the past 10 years this is how I see the tiers based on draft hype and potential:
1: Mcdavid
2: Tavares, Stamkos, McKinnon, Eichel, Matthews
3. Hall, Seguin, Drouin, Marner

My estimation has Hughes in between tiers 2/3 but that’s me. Could end up being a franshise forward like tier 2 or could end up being a slightly less forward like the ones in tier 3
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Hughes hasn't accomplished as much as Marner up until this point. He's a better skater but has a worse shot. His performance has been worse in junior play. I'd have him behind Marner.
 
ijuka said:
Hughes hasn't accomplished as much as Marner up until this point. He's a better skater but has a worse shot. His performance has been worse in junior play. I'd have him behind Marner.
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I don't think there is much of a gap in their shots at the same age. Marner is more creative once the offensive zone is established. Hughes is better in transition.

As for who has accomplished more at comparable ages? They play in different leagues, but I'm pretty sure Hughes would be a top 5 player in the OHL at 17 like Marner was.
 
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Nabrules said:
Over the past 10 years this is how I see the tiers based on draft hype and potential:
1: Mcdavid
2: Tavares, Stamkos, McKinnon, Eichel, Matthews
3. Hall, Seguin, Drouin, Marner

My estimation has Hughes in between tiers 2/3 but that’s me. Could end up being a franshise forward like tier 2 or could end up being a slightly less forward like the ones in tier 3
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Why is Drouin on the same tier as the Hart Trophy winner from last season? I definitely dont think he was even close to as hyped as those guys or ever had top potential. He was a product of playing with McKinnon in Junior.
 
ijuka said:
Hughes hasn't accomplished as much as Marner up until this point. He's a better skater but has a worse shot. His performance has been worse in junior play. I'd have him behind Marner.
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based purely on hype Hughes definitely has more behind him than Marner did in his draft year. A lot of people even had Crouse ahead of Marner for most of, if not the whole year leading up to their draft
guess it depends on your view of their draft years as a whole but still

h0ckeyman said:
Why is Drouin on the same tier as the Hart Trophy winner from last season? I definitely dont think he was even close to as hyped as those guys or ever had top potential. He was a product of playing with McKinnon in Junior.
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Drouin was definitely in the conversation for 1st overall and a huge amount of hype behind him before that draft, it was a pretty big shock when Florida didn't take him
 
ijuka said:
Hughes hasn't accomplished as much as Marner up until this point.
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I mean... it’s always hard to compare across leagues but Hughes is going to finish as maybe the most accomplished USNTDP player ever imo, and played in the WJC in his draft year (to the tune of 1.0 P/PG).

It’s definitely close, because Marner was sick for London. I’m just not sure Marner is clearly more accomplished at the same age. Could argue either way.

All top 5 range prospects are pretty accomplished and have their fair share of accolades though.
 
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h0ckeyman said:
Why is Drouin on the same tier as the Hart Trophy winner from last season? I definitely dont think he was even close to as hyped as those guys or ever had top potential. He was a product of playing with McKinnon in Junior.
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Drouin was really hyped if I recall correctly
 
FinnishSniper said:
Well, Kakko is atm in god mode, and Hughes is playing against kids so it's easier for people to discredit that.
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I don’t think you realize, that yes he plays against age ranges from 16-24 but the majority of the teams he plays average 19+ Years old.

Keep in mind, he also plays against NCAA D1 teams who, on average, are 4 years older about. Which is way more physical hockey than the CHL(Qmjhl, Ohl, WHL)

Also, his whole team is 18 and under. It’s not like he plays for a typical junior team, where the age range is 16-21.
 
TimJohn12 said:
I don’t think you realize, that yes he plays against age ranges from 16-24 but the majority of the teams he plays average 19+ Years old.

Keep in mind, he also plays against NCAA D1 teams who, on average, are 4 years older about. Which is way more physical hockey than the CHL(Qmjhl, Ohl, WHL)

Also, his whole team is 18 and under. It’s not like he plays for a typical junior team, where the age range is 16-21.
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What does this have to do with anything. Just pointed out that it’s way easier for people to criticise Jack than Kakko.
 
Nabrules said:
Over the past 10 years this is how I see the tiers based on draft hype and potential:
1: Mcdavid
2: Tavares, Stamkos, McKinnon, Eichel, Matthews
3. Hall, Seguin, Drouin, Marner

My estimation has Hughes in between tiers 2/3 but that’s me. Could end up being a franshise forward like tier 2 or could end up being a slightly less forward like the ones in tier 3
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Why you listed only NA players? Europeans don't have as much potential and hype?
 
Cap'n Flavour said:
You said Hughes plays against kids right in the quoted post... It's a direct reply to a point you made.
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Couple of overagers per team doesn't really mean much when we are comparing college leagues and actual pro leagues. Granted that Kakko dominating against players in Liiga doesn't mean he won't have some trouble against faster and stronger players in NHL but it's still an advantage to play against veterans who have maxed out their strength training compared to getting to play against kids who are barely consired adults at age 19-22.
 
Hokinaittii said:
Couple of overagers per team doesn't really mean much when we are comparing college leagues and actual pro leagues. Granted that Kakko dominating against players in Liiga doesn't mean he won't have some trouble against faster and stronger players in NHL but it's still an advantage to play against veterans who have maxed out their strength training compared to getting to play against kids who are barely consired adults at age 19-22.
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Er, 22-23 is pretty close to peak for forwards at least. College teams with say half of their players 18-19 and half 20-23 are much different from junior teams of mostly 17-19 year olds.

Anyway, I didn't have any idea how NTDP scheduling worked but by my count Hughes has 2G 11A in 9GP vs NCAA teams (not going to check how good the teams he played against actually are) which seems decent. That's certainly not the same as playing a full season in Liiga but at least he's not struggling badly against older, stronger players.
 

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