C Jack Eichel (2015, 2nd, BUF) IV

[Garnish1979]

Having said that, I can fluctuate up to around 15 pounds of weight in a single day,

I highly doubt that. For the sake of argument, say you start the day at 150 pounds, you are saying you can either be up to 157.5 or down to 142.5? That's a crazy amount of fluctuation. I'd say 2 or 3 pounds either way is about normal. not 7.5 pounds.

 

[Hyzer]

I highly doubt that. For the sake of argument, say you start the day at 150 pounds, you are saying you can either be up to 157.5 or down to 142.5? That's a crazy amount of fluctuation. I'd say 2 or 3 pounds either way is about normal. not 7.5 pounds.

yeah thats a load of ****. if you fluctuate by that much in a day you should be seeing a doctor

 

[93LEAFS]

I highly doubt that. For the sake of argument, say you start the day at 150 pounds, you are saying you can either be up to 157.5 or down to 142.5? That's a crazy amount of fluctuation. I'd say 2 or 3 pounds either way is about normal. not 7.5 pounds.

Only way this makes sense is either your massive like 400 pounds big or that this is a one off thing where your basically cutting weight to meet the weigh in at a boxing fight.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Only way this makes sense is either your massive like 400 pounds big or that this is a one off thing where your basically cutting weight to meet the weigh in at a boxing fight.

Goaltenders have been known to lose 10-15 lbs of water weight during a game. I think Dom Hasek was one of them, so its really not all that crazy, depending on your activity level.

 

[Dreakon13]

If one of Eichel's strong suits is that he's a bigger kid and can power through opposing players, where McDavid would use that speed and hockey IQ to throw them off... Eichel's in for some growing pains when he's not playing against college kids and other prospects anymore.

Every confidence he can rise to the challenge, don't get me wrong... he's got more going for him then strength and athleticism... but if we're asking who will look better when they step onto NHL ice, McDavid's game will translate better and probably last longer IMO.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Eichel's strong and fast, but he's also not a dummy. That's why he's going to be so good.

 

[Hooliganx3]

If one of Eichel's strong suits is that he's a bigger kid and can power through opposing players, where McDavid would use that speed and hockey IQ to throw them off... Eichel's in for some growing pains when he's not playing against college kids and other prospects anymore.

Every confidence he can rise to the challenge, don't get me wrong... he's got more going for him then strength and athleticism... but if we're asking who will look better when they step onto NHL ice, McDavid's game will translate better and probably last longer IMO.

The thing is Eichel is actually faster and stronger than a good portion of NHL players. If you look at what he lifts I would say hes in the top 5% to 10% of NHLers in Strength.

 

[Aceboogie]

The Eichel and McDavid generationalizations are getting pretty bad. Eichel is being turned into this Simmonds type PWF with skill and McDavid is being turned into a Tyler Johston smaller skilled forward

The fact is, Eichel has elite hockey IQ and hes not going to rely on only size to dominate. Hell use spped and skill but also use size to advantage. Hell play the game like Crosby almost, with a bit of Malkin reach. really good downlow but really smart and great shot

McDavid is already 6'1 195, so hes not small forward and almost same size. Sure he can dance around CHL D due to tremendous skill, but he has the frame to be able to hold the puck down low and thrive in a cycle.

Eichels hockey IQ shouldnt be downplayed, either should McDavids size. Eichel will be able to use speed and hands to elode NHLers if his size doesnt work as well first year. McDavid will be able to use size if he cant dangle around them first year. These arent one trick ponies

 

[WaltWhitman]

The thing is Eichel is actually faster and stronger than a good portion of NHL players. If you look at what he lifts I would say hes in the top 5% to 10% of NHLers in Strength.

but McDavid is like really good, so he's going to be better than Eichel.

you heard it here first.

 

[AD1066]

If one of Eichel's strong suits is that he's a bigger kid and can power through opposing players, where McDavid would use that speed and hockey IQ to throw them off... Eichel's in for some growing pains when he's not playing against college kids and other prospects anymore.

He's also an exceptional skater and distributor, and doesn't rely on powering through the opposition to rack up points.

 

[Plub]

If one of Eichel's strong suits is that he's a bigger kid and can power through opposing players, where McDavid would use that speed and hockey IQ to throw them off... Eichel's in for some growing pains when he's not playing against college kids and other prospects anymore.

Every confidence he can rise to the challenge, don't get me wrong... he's got more going for him then strength and athleticism... but if we're asking who will look better when they step onto NHL ice, McDavid's game will translate better and probably last longer IMO.

Eichel can just as easily skate around players. The reason his ability to power through people at times is brought up is due to how talented he is on top of how strong he is. You're speaking as if his game is based on over powering players which isn't the case at all. Not to mention he already played against pros at worlds and did just fine. McDavid loves to rush and cut into the middle. That will not fly in the NHL. Eichel can rush as well, but he can also make the game slow to a snails pace as well as control the play down low along the boards.

I don't know who will do better in the NHL but Eichel's game would seem to be much more suited for the NHL than McDavid.

 

[Aceboogie]

Eichel can just as easily skate around players. The reason his ability to power through people at times is brought up is due to how talented he is on top of how strong he is. You're speaking as if his game is based on over powering players which isn't the case at all. Not to mention he already played against pros at worlds and did just fine. McDavid loves to rush and cut into the middle. That will not fly in the NHL. Eichel can rush as well, but he can also make the game slow to a snails pace as well as control the play down low along the boards.

I don't know who will do better in the NHL but Eichel's game would seem to be much more suited for the NHL than McDavid.

What exactly do you think McDavids game is? and how is Eichels "much better" suited for NHL? They actually dont play too different style of game. And by this time next year McDavid could be just as big as Eichel

 

[AKL]

I don't know who will do better in the NHL but Eichel's game would seem to be much more suited for the NHL than McDavid.

As someone who likes Eichel more (personal preference, not because I necessarily think he'll be better), I'm interested in hearing how Eichel's game is much better suited for the NHL than McDavid.

 

[Mattilaus]

What exactly do you think McDavids game is? and how is Eichels "much better" suited for NHL? They actually dont play too different style of game. And by this time next year McDavid could be just as big as Eichel

I don't think Eichel's game is much better suited for the NHL, but for the end part I can agree it COULD happen but I don't think it is probable. Jack Eichel has 10 lbs on McDavid. Eichel would have to put on virtually no weight for McDavid to catch him in a year.

 

[AD1066]

I don't think Eichel's game is much better suited for the NHL, but for the end part I can agree it COULD happen but I don't think it is probable. Jack Eichel has 10 lbs on McDavid. Eichel would have to put on virtually no weight for McDavid to catch him in a year.

I don't see McDavid ever having the strength of Eichel, even if they end up the same size. It should go without saying that stronger != better hockey player, but I think Eichel will always have the edge in that regard.

McDavid is a solid size himself and will do just fine, but Eichel seems like he could develop into playing that grinding, two-way, Western-conference style of play that many associate with postseason success.

I think McDavid is better but also that the debate is irrelevant in the sense that both are players capable of building a franchise around, and the extra 10 or however many points he'll score over the course of a regular season could prove meaningless if the Oilers fail to build a team that can support him.

There's a reason Crosby has one Cup and Toews has three, and it's not because Toews is the better player. Supporting cast and management are going to be huge factors in how McDavid and Eichels' careers play out.

 

[Aceboogie]

I don't think Eichel's game is much better suited for the NHL, but for the end part I can agree it COULD happen but I don't think it is probable. Jack Eichel has 10 lbs on McDavid. Eichel would have to put on virtually no weight for McDavid to catch him in a year.

Oh I agree Eichel has the potential to be better in the NHL. And I expect him to have some better seasons. But this is Lemiuex style guy vs small forward

McDavid is already around the size and strength of current Hall. Hall is by no means a true PWF, but in todays NHL he is pretty tough to handle at his size and speed

Eichel is bigger and stronger, but McDavid is close. Mcdavid is more skilled and agile, but Eichel is close

 

[EichHart]

Oh I agree Eichel has the potential to be better in the NHL. And I expect him to have some better seasons. But this is Lemiuex style guy vs small forward

McDavid is already around the size and strength of current Hall. Hall is by no means a true PWF, but in todays NHL he is pretty tough to handle at his size and speed

Eichel is bigger and stronger, but McDavid is close. Mcdavid is more skilled and agile, but Eichel is close

As a Sabres fan and having watched both live several times. McDavid unless injured will always have better seasons than Eichel. I've seen him do things I've never seen anyone do at the speeds he does it in my 28 years of watching hockey.

 

[Aceboogie]

As a Sabres fan and having watched both live several times. McDavid unless injured will always have better seasons than Eichel. I've seen him do things I've never seen anyone do at the speeds he does it in my 28 years of watching hockey.

Hes damn impressive, but the thing is some players have down years and some players have very good career years 2 or 3 times over a span of 12 years

If you look at Crosby and Ovechkin, Ovechkin has some seasons better than Crosby (healthy Crosby).

When you got 2 guys with elite, franchise potential, the one whos slightly below can put up league best numbers. All it takes is a 20 game hot streak

I see McDavid as having a career ppg likely 5% lower than McDavids. So the gaps between the years will be very small, and Eichel will outperform some years

 

[Moskau]

Whose career will be over first because they entered the NHL with man strength, Jack Eichel or Aaron Ekblad? Personally I think Ekblad has one more season in him before teams figure out his man strength and he's playing in Europe. As for Eichel? Probably gets sent to the ECHL after his first NHL training camp with men. That is after he rehabs all his injuries from rubbing shoulders with the likes of Tyler Ennis and Brian Gionta.

 

[Moskau]

I see McDavid as having a career ppg likely 5% lower than McDavids. So the gaps between the years will be very small, and Eichel will outperform some years

McDavid is so good they're going to roll over his points at 200 and throw up McDavid2 on the statistics page.

 

[YEGJuniorFan]

In order to add ten pounds of body weight, not including water retention, you need to eat a surplus of 3500 calories for every pound or 35000 extra calories. Over 90 days that's about 390 extra calories a day. Very easy to do. To add 10lbs of lean muscle mass in 90 days is another ball game. You would pretty much be having to gain about 15-20lbs in total and that is if your bulk was super clean (ie you didn't add a lot of fat with your new muscle). It's more likely someone would have to gain about 25lbs to gain the extra 10lbs of muscle.

 

[Thorton02]

I haven't looked at the McDavid thread in a while. Is Eichel mentioned as much in the McDavid thread as much as McDavid is talked about here? Just curious if its pretty even or people just come here to do battle.

 

[Moskau]

In order to add ten pounds of body weight, not including water retention, you need to eat a surplus of 3500 calories for every pound or 35000 extra calories. Over 90 days that's about 390 extra calories a day. Very easy to do. To add 10lbs of lean muscle mass in 90 days is another ball game. You would pretty much be having to gain about 15-20lbs in total and that is if your bulk was super clean (ie you didn't add a lot of fat with your new muscle). It's more likely someone would have to gain about 25lbs to gain the extra 10lbs of muscle.

How many chicken breasts and sweet potatoes is that?

 

[Aceboogie]

I haven't looked at the McDavid thread in a while. Is Eichel mentioned as much in the McDavid thread as much as McDavid is talked about here? Just curious if its pretty even or people just come here to do battle.

I dont think anyone does battle, but they were brought up before

 

[Semantics]

McDavid is so good they're going to roll over his points at 200 and throw up McDavid2 on the statistics page.

McDavid is so good they're retiring his number before the season, so he won't be able to play, because you need a number.