C Aleksander Barkov (2013, 2nd overall, Florida) IV
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Would be nice to see what Barkov could do if he actually got good wingers to play with(like MacKinnon)...
Barkov is 1 point away from being team leading point scorer. With great defensive game. He isn't getting protected minutes. He plays against toughest lines and defensemen of opposite teams already at 18. He is winning majority of board battles at age of 18. Imagine him in couple of years with better linemates. Scary...
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Yeah, MacKinnon hasn't very good this season
Lol what? Mackinnon has been very good this season.. don't be a hater. Barkov though has shown to be a real franchise player.
Whether Mackinnon is having a better year, or whether he projects to be the more impactful player in the future isn't all that relevant. Florida finally has a player down the middle capable of possibly being a dominant two way player for 10-15 years. Mackinnon, Jones, Drouin, Nichushkin even are great players and some may be more dominant than Barkov, but Florida probably won't care. We're content. The inane bickering over whose better shouldn't matter to either set of fans.
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The point is that MacKinnon has been great this year and there's no reason at this point for Colorado to regret their pick. Barkov has been great this year too, I never said otherwise.
I think the 2013 draft was just as good as advertised (although I'm not as high on Drouin as most other people). So you couldn't do wrong pretty much with any pick in the top 6,7 etc.
We wanted MacKinnon, really badly. But we are totally happy with Barkov. And I was happy about the pick at the draft. MacKinnon - Bjugstad, or Barkov - Bjugstad. Obviously you can't lose either way.
We wanted MacKinnon, really badly. But we are totally happy with Barkov. And I was happy about the pick at the draft. MacKinnon - Bjugstad, or Barkov - Bjugstad. Obviously you can't lose either way.
I don't see Barkov as better thank MacKinnon. But I see Barkov ultimately as better than Jones or Drouin. He will be that 70 point center that plays Selke caliber defense. Maybe boring but damn effective. Florida picked good. He might not be the dude that brings butts to the seats but he will make an impact in this league.
He is Jere Lehtinen at center, 6,3 instead of 6,0 and with more offensive upside. Total beast. Maybe it's Finnish bias but this dude gonna make his mark. On pace for around 35-40 points at 18 on a ****** Florida team while playing excellent defense at 18. This man (boy) is the only great hope of Finnish ice hockey, atleast at the moment. You could plug him as a 3rd line center on a contender and they would not miss a beat. He could be number two center on a Chicago team winning the cup at 18. Monster.
He is Jere Lehtinen at center, 6,3 instead of 6,0 and with more offensive upside. Total beast. Maybe it's Finnish bias but this dude gonna make his mark. On pace for around 35-40 points at 18 on a ****** Florida team while playing excellent defense at 18. This man (boy) is the only great hope of Finnish ice hockey, atleast at the moment. You could plug him as a 3rd line center on a contender and they would not miss a beat. He could be number two center on a Chicago team winning the cup at 18. Monster.
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^ These comparisons which one will be "better" down the road are just futile and off the mark.
First, nobody can tell at his point. Secondly, define "better". Yes, it depends.Thirdly (and related to the point 2), they are all great prospects and young players with different strengths and weaknesses and styles. -And will have different kind of development curves.
And fourthly, there is hardly a non-biased poster making these strong claims in one or other direction which will have its "ripple effect" here.
After saying all this I must, however, make my corrective assessment of this "situation" (taking into account all the above listed revisions):
Barkov is not as "boring" player as rumor has it. The more and more comfortable he feels and looks out there the more and more interesting he looks out there. His skating has improved already by leaps and pounds from what it was last season; and he seems to be about "ready" to make some pretty flashy plays: I have seen first signs of this. Nifty little dangles on 1-on-1 etc.
Secondly, while MacKinnon might be more productive - Barkov won't be a slouch point wise, either; he should be capable to reach PPG level with good line mates in a couple of years.
Thirdly, Drouin could very well be the best of the draft offensively, measured in point totals. It's not a stretch at all. And Jones is a Dman - so, why to compare him and Barkov at all. He should be really good, too. You cannot say "Barkov will surely be better than Jones" - or it doesn't make sense anyway.
Fourthly, Barkov will be the best Finnish forward in two years barring a serious injury - and the best player of his draft class - in the non-sense sense one should read as: I HOPE that Barkov will be the best player of his draft class -even though the notion "best" needs to be defined here.
First, nobody can tell at his point. Secondly, define "better". Yes, it depends.Thirdly (and related to the point 2), they are all great prospects and young players with different strengths and weaknesses and styles. -And will have different kind of development curves.
And fourthly, there is hardly a non-biased poster making these strong claims in one or other direction which will have its "ripple effect" here.
After saying all this I must, however, make my corrective assessment of this "situation" (taking into account all the above listed revisions):
Barkov is not as "boring" player as rumor has it. The more and more comfortable he feels and looks out there the more and more interesting he looks out there. His skating has improved already by leaps and pounds from what it was last season; and he seems to be about "ready" to make some pretty flashy plays: I have seen first signs of this. Nifty little dangles on 1-on-1 etc.
Secondly, while MacKinnon might be more productive - Barkov won't be a slouch point wise, either; he should be capable to reach PPG level with good line mates in a couple of years.
Thirdly, Drouin could very well be the best of the draft offensively, measured in point totals. It's not a stretch at all. And Jones is a Dman - so, why to compare him and Barkov at all. He should be really good, too. You cannot say "Barkov will surely be better than Jones" - or it doesn't make sense anyway.
Fourthly, Barkov will be the best Finnish forward in two years barring a serious injury - and the best player of his draft class - in the non-sense sense one should read as: I HOPE that Barkov will be the best player of his draft class -even though the notion "best" needs to be defined here.
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Barkov is for sure most important player for his team from this draft class right now. He would easily have 5-10 points more points if he had better linemates who could match his hockeyIQ + vision and be ready for his high-end passes. But Barkov is 1 point away from leading his team in points being one of the better two-way players from his team. I think that MacKinnon is more dangerous induvidual but i think that Barkov is way better two-way player than him(future perennial selke nominee no doubt) and i think that Barkov makes players around him much better than MacKinnon does. To me there is not much difference in MacKinnon and Barkov. They are both pretty close and equal. At this point we can't say that Avs did the wrong choice. But i remember that most of the north american posters and even some known names were very suprised to see Barkov going @ #2. I've been giving ultimate praise to Barkov since he was 15 year old and at this point it is clear that Barkov will be elite player for this league. One of the best two-way players in a couple of years. A player who shuts down opposite best lines and still producing alot. Very promising so far.
The surprise at Florida selecting Barkov had little to do with the perceived talent of Barkov. Most people expected Florida to take Jones because of his pre-draft ranking and how great he'd look anchoring Florida's defense, or Drouin because of his high offensive ability and flash. Personally, I expected Jones in Florida, Drouin in Tampa and Barkov in Nashville, but all four players selected would look great on any of the teams that picked them. This was a really solid draft to be in the top four, and I think everybody came away happy.
As an aside, I personally would have taken Barkov first overall for the Leafs. His size and two way ability would do wonders in Toronto's top six.
As an aside, I personally would have taken Barkov first overall for the Leafs. His size and two way ability would do wonders in Toronto's top six.
Barkov is not a flashy player. He generates offense by doing right things on the ice. He has good positioning and he isnt a puckhog. When he gets the puck he usually passes it on right away. Those passes usually are crisp and right on the tape. He also generates turnovers with his long reach. When his linemates (Bergy/Boyes) learn to trust him more they are going to generate more points.
Aliens have changed his feet during the off-season. He was one of the better skaters on the ice in the last two games. He is a fast north-south skater, he can turn faster than your average 6'3 player, and he is one of the first players on a loose puck. On top of that he has enough of separation speed to skate out of the corners with the puck.
His skating is nothing like advertised (except for Button who said that his skating is absolutely not an issue, it's very good, hence the 4 for the skating when he was rating the prospects for TSN, 2nd youtube video below, from 5minutes onward or so)
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My thoughts exactly.
Do not overlook Bjugstad (another rookie) either, who missed the first 10 games with a concussion and then took about 10 games to get going. He too plays a defensively responsible, two-way game at center with strong offensive upside.
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Unfortunately McKinnon looks to stay hot too. Barkov should keep up his PPG to have a shot.
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I think even if Barkov's 5 or so points behind mackinnon he could easily win the calder with his all round game. Hoping he gets 50+ pts by years end, its a lot to ask with his slow start though.
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