Buyers and Sellers

[bigsportsfan]

Unless the IceDogs owner sells the team, attendance will continue to decline. The only way to save the IceDogs is for a new owner to come on board. I highly doubt the IceDogs could get a worse owner as DD (the IceDogs Owner) has done pretty much everything wrong. Let's see if DD checks all the boxes as worse owner:

🗹 Buy team then talk to another city about eventual moving the team if lease can be broken.
🗹 Name yourself GM despite no experience.
🗹 First season hire entire coaching staff with no OHL experience.
🗹 Get rid of all scouts and replace with just 5 new scouts (lowest in league).
🗹 Make 25+ trades in your first season as GM and get just 12 wins.
🗹 Make a number of one sided trades leading to rumours that the IceDogs are getting other teams to take on player's scholarship costs in exchange for extra draft picks.
🗹 Do everything on a dime and try to get away with not feeding players on the road and avoiding hotel stays.
🗹 Ruin in game experience by firing popular in game host and firing company that runs in game production.
🗹 Don't do media interviews and never tell fans why trades are made or what the plan is for the team.
🗹 Each season, keep increasing prices despite finishing in last place for 3 straight season.
🗹 Have the league issue sanctions against the team resulting from breaches of the League's Maltreatment, Bullying and Harassment Policy including a $100,000 fine and the owner being suspended for 2 seasons from holding the title as GM.

Although things have improved somewhat this season, I really don't think the IceDogs could get a worse owner.

 

[JoeSchmo]

Soo for sure moving Andrew Gibson

Owen Allard I would say 100%. Charlie Schenkel I’m not sure on entirely but I wouldn’t be surprised.

If the offer is right maybe Marco Mignosa?

 

[OMG67]

Soo for sure moving Andrew Gibson

Owen Allard I would say 100%. Charlie Schenkel I’m not sure on entirely but I wouldn’t be surprised.

If the offer is right maybe Marco Mignosa?

To me, any team with an OA starter that is about average should be in on Schenkel if he is available. London and Kingston come to mind. Both have average to below average OA goalies. Definitely not the calibre to be taking up an OA spot on a Championship calibre team.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

To me, any team with an OA starter that is about average should be in on Schenkel if he is available. London and Kingston come to mind. Both have average to below average OA goalies. Definitely not the calibre to be taking up an OA spot on a Championship calibre team.

Saginaw also comes to mind if they were to go for it

 

[OMG67]

Saginaw also comes to mind if they were to go for it

They pretty much only have Zhilkin so if they go for it, they’ll need to use him for a more consequential player than a goalie….

Unless they do a multiple player like Gibson and Schenkel?

 

[SarniaStingFan]

They pretty much only have Zhilkin so if they go for it, they’ll need to use him for a more consequential player than a goalie….

Unless they do a multiple player like Gibson and Schenkel?

Their biggest assets are Zhilkin, Cloutier, Harmer, and Jones if they decided to go for it.

They could upgrade on an overager, they have an open import slot, and could have Igor Chernyshov return at some point. It's all about whether they feel like their moves will allow them to compete with London.

A Gibson and Schenkel deal would be a great fit for them. It's all about whether the Soo would want any of the three 17 yr olds in addition to Zhilkin because Saginaw certainly doesn't have enough picks to make that deal happen

 

[OMG67]

Their biggest assets are Zhilkin, Cloutier, Harmer, and Jones if they decided to go for it.

They could upgrade on an overager, they have an open import slot, and could have Igor Chernyshov return at some point. It's all about whether they feel like their moves will allow them to compete with London.

A Gibson and Schenkel deal would be a great fit for them. It's all about whether the Soo would want any of the three 17 yr olds in addition to Zhilkin because Saginaw certainly doesn't have enough picks to make that deal happen

Agreed and that is pretty much the point I was getting at. They are low on assets. They pretty much have to move Zhilkin if they want any chance at all. Tinkering won’t do it. They’ll need some real upgrades.

The challenge for them is they would need both Misa and Parekh back to trade so they can rebuild. I’m not 100% that Misa returns. Maybe it is better than 50-50 but is that good enough to risk on a run this year?

Misa at the deadline would garner a massive haul. I know the Saginaw fans don’t want to see him traded and maybe the organization wants to see him drafted as a Spirit but that is a lot to give up on watching him get drafted.

IMO, Misa gets the Barlow deal plus another few picks at least. Probably better players too. Or, if Brantford wants to roll the dice on him returning, they could snag O’Donnell plus another decent 17 year old plus 8 high picks.

That is a lot to ponder considering they already won a hosted Memorial Cup. They met their goal.

 

[dirty12]

To me, any team with an OA starter that is about average should be in on Schenkel if he is available. London and Kingston come to mind. Both have average to below average OA goalies. Definitely not the calibre to be taking up an OA spot on a Championship calibre team.

Elliot is a perfect 11-0 with a 2.23 GAA & 0.914 SV% …Oster was >4.00 & <0.875 the season before last; players generally show improvement as they age in the CHL

 

[OMG67]

Elliot is a perfect 11-0 with a 2.23 GAA & 0.914 SV% …Oster was >4.00 & <0.875 the season before last; players generally show improvement as they age in the CHL

Looks like similar regular season numbers for Elliott.

Hey, if London feels that third times a charm and they are comfortable giving a playoff train wreck a 3rd opportunity, who am I to stand in their way?

 

[dirty12]

Looks like similar regular season numbers for Elliott.

Hey, if London feels that third times a charm and they are comfortable giving a playoff train wreck a 3rd opportunity, who am I to stand in their way?

It would be pretty dumb imo to give up Elliot and a single premium pick for another OA goalie, even Parsons.
You just need a solid goalie. Lalonde beat out Schenkel in the playoffs.
Oster is 5th! among [(OA) goalies in SV%]. Are you still saying he is elite, or even better than 3rd string goalie from a season ago Krawchuk? A couple of months ago, MacKenzie was supposedly a top OA goalie. Games are not determined by past stats.

 

[OMG67]

It would be pretty dumb imo to give up Elliot and a single premium pick for another OA goalie, even Parsons.
You just need a solid goalie. Lalonde beat out Schenkel in the playoffs.
Oster is 5th! among [(OA) goalies in SV%]. Are you still saying he is elite, or even better than 3rd string goalie from a season ago Krawchuk? A couple of months ago, MacKenzie was supposedly a top OA goalie. Games are not determined by past stats.

With that logic, any goalie would be fine. You should be an NHL player agent. Take that with you to contract negotiations. “Player salaries for the future should not be determined based on past stats!”

Ask some Leafs fans what their opinion on Mitch Marner is.

 

[dirty12]

With that logic, any goalie would be fine. You should be an NHL player agent. Take that with you to contract negotiations. “Player salaries for the future should not be determined based on past stats!”

Ask some Leafs fans what their opinion on Mitch Marner is.

Has this become an NHL discussion about 20 year careers?
DiVincentis was not GOY last season, Oster will not be GOY this season. Oster might not be any better than top 5 OA goalie in a league that has 6-7 OA goalies. London has a perfect 11-0, 2.32 GAA, 0.914 SV% OA goalie. Trying to improve perfect seems really dumb.

 

[OMG67]

Has this become an NHL discussion about 20 year careers?
DiVincentis was not GOY last season, Oster will not be GOY this season. Oster might not be any better than top 5 OA goalie in a league that has 6-7 OA goalies. London has a perfect 11-0, 2.32 GAA, 0.914 SV% OA goalie. Trying to improve perfect seems really dumb.

Does it? Elliott’s playoff numbers are gawd awful. If London has an opportunity to upgrade in net at a reasonable cost and shift from an OA to a 19 year old, they need to consider it. Elliott is not a slam dunk and has proven to be anything but that. Suggesting otherwise is silly.

It would be different if these regular season numbers were a significant improvement over the past but they aren’t. They are pretty standard for him playing on a 100+ point team. Then the playoffs roll around… Last year he lost his starting position after a good regular season. The year before he lost the net twice in the playoffs.

Again, if London is comfortable putting their faith in an OA goalie that has shit the bed two years in a row when it counted most, then hey, who am I to suggest otherwise. But, if they can move on from Elliott and bring in Allard and Schenkel? I think that combo is a better fit than JUST Elliott. Arguing that moving away from an OA goalie and into a 19 year old and opening an OA spot isn’t strong strategy doesn’t really favour the guy leaning toward the OA goalie.

 

[dirty12]

Does it? Elliott’s playoff numbers are gawd awful. If London has an opportunity to upgrade in net at a reasonable cost and shift from an OA to a 19 year old, they need to consider it. Elliott is not a slam dunk and has proven to be anything but that. Suggesting otherwise is silly.

It would be different if these regular season numbers were a significant improvement over the past but they aren’t. They are pretty standard for him playing on a 100+ point team. Then the playoffs roll around… Last year he lost his starting position after a good regular season. The year before he lost the net twice in the playoffs.

Again, if London is comfortable putting their faith in an OA goalie that has shit the bed two years in a row when it counted most, then hey, who am I to suggest otherwise. But, if they can move on from Elliott and bring in Allard and Schenkel? I think that combo is a better fit than JUST Elliott. Arguing that moving away from an OA goalie and into a 19 year old and opening an OA spot isn’t strong strategy doesn’t really favour the guy leaning toward the OA goalie.

Last season may have meant something in the off-season, just not enough to deter London from choosing Elliot.
Oshawa did not choose to move on from one of a handful of solid OA goalies, and is not moving on from an OA goalie on the lower end of average at this point partly because of cost, but mostly not to disrupt the team.
The idea of London trying to improve upon perfect seems dumb.

 

[OMG67]

Last season may have meant something in the off-season, just not enough to deter London from choosing Elliot.
Oshawa did not choose to move on from one of a handful of solid OA goalies, and is not moving on from an OA goalie on the lower end of average at this point partly because of cost, but mostly not to disrupt the team.
The idea of London trying to improve upon perfect seems dumb.

Schenkel and Allard ( for example) vs Elliott and his piss poor playoff record? And you choose Elliott. Preposterous.

 

[tjziel]

Does it? Elliott’s playoff numbers are gawd awful. If London has an opportunity to upgrade in net at a reasonable cost and shift from an OA to a 19 year old, they need to consider it. Elliott is not a slam dunk and has proven to be anything but that. Suggesting otherwise is silly.

It would be different if these regular season numbers were a significant improvement over the past but they aren’t. They are pretty standard for him playing on a 100+ point team. Then the playoffs roll around… Last year he lost his starting position after a good regular season. The year before he lost the net twice in the playoffs.

Again, if London is comfortable putting their faith in an OA goalie that has shit the bed two years in a row when it counted most, then hey, who am I to suggest otherwise. But, if they can move on from Elliott and bring in Allard and Schenkel? I think that combo is a better fit than JUST Elliott. Arguing that moving away from an OA goalie and into a 19 year old and opening an OA spot isn’t strong strategy doesn’t really favour the guy leaning toward the OA goalie.

Even if we had the opportunity to upgrade our Goalies with an OA, it’s wouldn’t be Schenkel, it would be Jackson Parsons.

 

[OMG67]

Even if we had the opportunity to upgrade our Goalies with an OA, it’s wouldn’t be Schenkel, it would be Jackson Parsons.

My bad. I was thinking Schenkel was 19. He’s an OA. Forget what I said about Schenkel.

But the same logic applies to a capable 19 year old. The problem is there are no god 19 year olds that would be available! But, Medvedev is fine enough. I wouldn’t maintain an OA goalie that was 4-7 in the playoffs over two seasons in the WHL on a team that has amassed 206 regular season points and then waived through the entire league. That somehow makes him a viable starter for the top team in the OHL? As I said, for the Knights, I hope third time is a charm for Elliott. If it goes the same way as his last two kicks at the can, it will be Medvedev in the net sometime around the beginning of round 2 with an OA sitting on the bench opening the gate.

 

[GoKnightsGo44]

This conversion @OMG67 is getting ridiculous. Elliott passes the eye test, he is a very good goalie, he get his chance with London to enter the promised land.

The Knights are set in net, let’s move on.

 

[dirty12]

Schenkel and Allard ( for example) vs Elliott and his piss poor playoff record? And you choose Elliott. Preposterous.

Risk disrupting a room in a futile attempt to improve upon petfect; is dumb, really dumb. Trying to fix what is not broken!

 

[OMG67]

Risk disrupting a room in a futile attempt to improve upon petfect; is dumb, really dumb. Trying to fix what is not broken!

I was thinking Schenkel was 19. He’s an OA. So my bad.

This conversion @OMG67 is getting ridiculous. Elliott passes the eye test, he is a very good goalie, he get his chance with London to enter the promised land.

The Knights are set in net, let’s move on.

When Elliott is sitting on your bench in round 2, we will see who is right…. Great eye test in the regular season for Saskatoon the last two regular seasons. It is not like Saskatoon was a middling team either. Top team int he WHL.

His record is meaningless. 11 games and only 2 against teams projected to make round 2 in the playoffs. Powderpuff competition. With any luck, London will face teams like Guelph, Sault, and Owen Sound deep into the playoffs.

 

[tjziel]

I was thinking Schenkel was 19. He’s an OA. So my bad.



When Elliott is sitting on your bench in round 2, we will see who is right…. Great eye test in the regular season for Saskatoon the last two regular seasons. It is not like Saskatoon was a middling team either. Top team int he WHL.

His record is meaningless. 11 games and only 2 against teams projected to make round 2 in the playoffs. Powderpuff competition. With any luck, London will face teams like Guelph, Sault, and Owen Sound deep into the playoffs.

I’m actually with @OMG67. Austin Elliott is not a big game goalie, but the Hunters will think he’s fine if they tighten up their defense.

It’s a Memorial Cuo year or bust, go get the best goalie on the market and when we face elite offenses we got Jackson Parsons back there to help bail us out

 

[OMG67]

I’m actually with @OMG67. Austin Elliott is not a big game goalie, but the Hunters will think he’s fine if they tighten up their defense.

It’s a Memorial Cuo year or bust, go get the best goalie on the market and when we face elite offenses we got Jackson Parsons back there to help bail us out

Listen, it is fine if the goal is to have an OA backup as a safety net. But, the question is whether Elliott is the guy to be in that role. The kid was the starter in Saskatoon as an 18 year old. Shit the bed in the playoffs. Lost his starter role and played parts of three playoff games last year. If that is the guy expected to be a starter in the playoffs, I think some people have their heads screwed on backwards in London.

Even pointing to his 11-0 record is silly. Look who he’s played.
Sarnia
Owen Sound x2
Guelph x2
Sault x2
Ottawa
Brantford
Erie
Kingston

Two games vs quality teams that we’d expect likely to be around in round 2. The game vs Kingston, London outscored the opponent with Elliott giving up 4 goals.

If the benchmark requirement to be the starter of the Knights in the playoffs are wins mostly agaisnt the lessor half of the league combined with a career playoff record for 100+ point teams at 4-7, then that is a pretty low bar.

 

[dirty12]

Listen, it is fine if the goal is to have an OA backup as a safety net. But, the question is whether Elliott is the guy to be in that role. The kid was the starter in Saskatoon as an 18 year old. Shit the bed in the playoffs. Lost his starter role and played parts of three playoff games last year. If that is the guy expected to be a starter in the playoffs, I think some people have their heads screwed on backwards in London.

Even pointing to his 11-0 record is silly. Look who he’s played.
Sarnia
Owen Sound x2
Guelph x2
Sault x2
Ottawa
Brantford
Erie
Kingston

Two games vs quality teams that we’d expect likely to be around in round 2. The game vs Kingston, London outscored the opponent with Elliott giving up 4 goals.

If the benchmark requirement to be the starter of the Knights in the playoffs are wins mostly agaisnt the lessor half of the league combined with a career playoff record for 100+ point teams at 4-7, then that is a pretty low bar.

A different year, different team, different league; probably different results.
An otherwise middling at best Oster was awarded GOY last season. We are aware of the #s from the final 8 playoff games once Punnet injured himself, right? Yet you are not stating he should be replaced. And FWIW, Parsons had a 0.877 SV% in last years playoffs.

 

[Opinionated]

This conversion @OMG67 is getting ridiculous. Elliott passes the eye test, he is a very good goalie, he get his chance with London to enter the promised land.

The Knights are set in net, let’s move on.

I think we are forgetting that an entire league (WHL) didn't think that Elliott was good enough to take on as an OA for free!

He's playing well at the moment, but 22 GM's didn't think he was that good.

 

[OMG67]

A different year, different team, different league; probably different results.
An otherwise middling at best Oster was awarded GOY last season. We are aware of the #s from the final 8 playoff games once Punnet injured himself, right? Yet you are not stating he should be replaced. And FWIW, Parsons had a 0.877 SV% in last years playoffs.

I’m stating that Medvedev has been just as good overall when considering the strength of schedule. I’m stating that using an OA spot on Elliott who has done nothing to suggest he is a valued performer in the past for a team considered a viable contender. Giving him a 3rd shot on a viable contender with two previous bed shittings when it counted most while wasting an OA slot to do it isn’t what I consider solid management of assets.

With respect to Oster, he backstopped that team to the OHL Finals last year. Then the team that entered the Finals limped into that series. IT happens. BUT, OSTER GOT THE TEAM THERE. Elliott couldn’t get his team out of round two in his first chance losing three straight to start the 2nd round and then didn’t’ get an opportunity to do anything other than mop up some games last year because, well, he was shit previously and that team didn’t trust him…as did the rest of the league when he was waived through it.

But, hey, he has been great against teams that will be struggling to make the playoffs this year. That says something I guess.