Proposal: Burakovsky for Chiarot + Holl

[lanceuppercut75]

to Detoit Red Wings
Andre Burakovsky (2y @ $5.50m)
total cap = $5.50m
cap result = DET opens up $2.65m

to Seattle Kraken
Ben Chiarot (1y @ $4.75m)
Justin Holl (1y @ $3.40m)
total cap = $8.15m
cap result = SEA adds $2.65m


Seattle gets out of Burakovsky's 2nd year and opens up a winger spot for Kartye in the top 9. They add Chiarot as a 1 year stop-gap veteran D to play with Ryker Evans, and add 1 year of Holl to compete with Cale Fleury for the 7D roster spot. They take on cap space in this upcoming year, but open up $5.5m cap for the year after that.

Detroit finally moves on from Holl, and adds a top 9 winger who could potentially get back into form with a different team and coach. Their D core as a whole has been unsatisfactory for some time, and neither Chiarot nor Holl were likely to be staying beyond next summer anyways. Chiarot was long-term going to be replaced by a RHD, and they now have cap space and a roster opening to explore that. The potential downside here is Burakovsky not improving and Detroit having his contract for an additional year beyond the upcoming season.

 

[Djp]

Detroit needs to add

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

The last sentence of your OP is exactly how I feel.

 

[Dr Amazing]

Detroit needs to add a first or two 2nd rounders.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Detroit needs to add a first or two 2nd rounders.

Yeah...no...

Detroit doesn't need an extra year @5.5.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Detroit needs to add a first or two 2nd rounders.

If you add the total cap hits of all the seasons involved in these contracts, Detroit is taking on $11m and Seattle is taking on $8.15m. So DET is being asked to make the bigger cap commitment overall here.

Burakovsky has been unable to prove for multiple years that he's a top 6 winger. You want DET to take on the winger making $5.5m cap hit for the next 2 seasons who can't prove he's better than a 3rd liner, and you want them to add a 1st round pick as well?

Did Chiarot regress into a 7D near the end of the season? Do you think that cap dumping 1 season of Holl has that high of value? I'm just trying to understand...

 

[Dr Amazing]

Yeah...no...

Detroit doesn't need an extra year @5.5.

Seattle doesn't need to do that.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Detroit needs to add a first or two 2nd rounders.

Not for the extra year of cap dump they don't.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I mean contract swap it’s not bad but anyone saying Detroit has to add is just a bad take

 

[SirloinUB]

I like the idea of unloading Holl and adding an offensive winger has some appeal but Id rather keep Chairot.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I like the idea of unloading Holl and adding an offensive winger has some appeal but Id rather keep Chairot.

Holl would inevitably cost something to move unless you're taking a cap dump back.

Not really worth it when you can just bury him for $2.2M or buy him out for $1.1M x 2.

 

[rumrokh]

Burakovsky could still get value at the deadline next season or even in the upcoming season with enough retention. Chiarot and Holl are both horrid. An extra year of Burakovsky can't possibly be toxic enough to Seattle for this to make sense value-wise.

If you're a building team, you make moves to add long term assets or add value on the ice. This is backwards in both regards unless it turns out Burakovsky is completely immovable. If I were them, I'd sooner give away Burakovsky with maximum retention and then sign dirt cheap free agents than accept Chiarot and Holl.

 

[majormajor]

to Detoit Red Wings
Andre Burakovsky (2y @ $5.50m)
total cap = $5.50m
cap result = DET opens up $2.65m

to Seattle Kraken
Ben Chiarot (1y @ $4.75m)
Justin Holl (1y @ $3.40m)
total cap = $8.15m
cap result = SEA adds $2.65m


Seattle gets out of Burakovsky's 2nd year and opens up a winger spot for Kartye in the top 9. They add Chiarot as a 1 year stop-gap veteran D to play with Ryker Evans, and add 1 year of Holl to compete with Cale Fleury for the 7D roster spot. They take on cap space in this upcoming year, but open up $5.5m cap for the year after that.

Detroit finally moves on from Holl, and adds a top 9 winger who could potentially get back into form with a different team and coach. Their D core as a whole has been unsatisfactory for some time, and neither Chiarot nor Holl were likely to be staying beyond next summer anyways. Chiarot was long-term going to be replaced by a RHD, and they now have cap space and a roster opening to explore that. The potential downside here is Burakovsky not improving and Detroit having his contract for an additional year beyond the upcoming season.

I think this kind of a great proposal?

To be clear, I don't think anyone should want any of these contracts. No one is in love here. But I can see the advantage for both clubs here.

Seattle shouldn't need an add to want to do this. Chiarot can be useful lower in the lineup (where they could use some crunch). The team actually has a lot of young forwards ahead of Kartye (Nyman, Catton, Winterton, etc..) who will benefit from a chance to crack the top 9, with fewer young D pushing. And of course they get to start fresh a year earlier than they would with Burakovsky's contract.

Burakovsky was useless up until the last month of the season when he went red hot. Make of that what you will. But I think the team should be very eager to move on from him. Detroit would obviously prefer a more consistent player, but they get a maybe, and get out of a bad D group quagmire that Yzerman made for himself.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

If you're a building team, you make moves to add long term assets or add value on the ice. This is backwards in both regards unless it turns out Burakovsky is completely immovable. If I were them, I'd sooner give away Burakovsky with maximum retention and then sign dirt cheap free agents than accept Chiarot and Holl.

Seattle is a "building team" in the sense that they're building through the draft and then adding the odd player here and there through other means (see: Montour). They have young wingers, Kartye in the NHL and waiver exempt kids in the AHL, who need ice time in the NHL, and they don't really have D kids in the AHL that need ice time YET. So this fits into the strategy of a "building team" in that it makes room for kids who need to play (forwards) by removing a log jam, and doesn't block kids who don't quite need to be playing just yet (defense). When Seattle has D prospects that are ready and need NHL ice time, Chiarot and Holl will be gone.

 

[rumrokh]

Seattle is a "building team" in the sense that they're building through the draft and then adding the odd player here and there through other means (see: Montour). They have young wingers, Kartye in the NHL and waiver exempt kids in the AHL, who need ice time in the NHL, and they don't really have D kids in the AHL that need ice time YET. So this fits into the strategy of a "building team" in that it makes room for kids who need to play (forwards) by removing a log jam, and doesn't block kids who don't quite need to be playing just yet (defense). When Seattle has D prospects that are ready and need NHL ice time, Chiarot and Holl will be gone.

The idea of a 40 point winger blocking kids on a bottom-10 team is a fantasy. He didn't block Kakko, did he? Tolvanen's minutes didn't go to Burakovsky. Barring an unusually incompetent coaching and management situation, players tend to rise in the lineup according to performance.

But that's beside the point, because I'm not saying Seattle should keep Burakovsky outright. The point is that Chiarot and Holl have negative value and Burakovsky at least might not. This makes perfect sense in a world in which Chiarot and Holl are the only corpses they can find. But there are a lot more teams and a lot of free agents for dumpster-diving if that's their goal. They can do that and still do anything else with Burakovsky.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

The idea of a 40 point winger blocking kids on a bottom-10 team is a fantasy. He didn't block Kakko, did he? Tolvanen's minutes didn't go to Burakovsky. Barring an unusually incompetent coaching and management situation, players tend to rise in the lineup according to performance.

There are only 8 winger spots only a fully healthy team. 8 to 10 if we include press box and 23 man roster. Seattle has McCann Eberle Kakko and Tolvanen, to start, and then they also have Schwartz, Burakovsky and Kartye. They have several kids coming soon-ish from the minors that are either wingers or centers that might become wingers.

You can make a claim about how wingers get ice time and move up and down lines based on performance, but if Burakovsky is playing NHL-level hockey, he's likely not going lower than NHL 4th line or press box. They won't waive him and put him in the AHL so a waiver exempt kid can take his spot unless his game falls apart. That means he's most likely a lock for an NHL winger roster spot (barring a trade).

So yeah, I would say he's blocking kids. If he isn't now, he will be a year from now, when he's still signed for one more season.