Post-Game Talk: Built. Different.

[K1984]

agree, but to be fair 97 and 29 will make anyone look stupid in that spot. the oilers PP put their D in a complete blender. i think the D closest to teh corner thought perry was 97, there is no reason to put that pressure on perry of all people. they cycle quick passing was a disaster for them and i expect we will see a tighter box and more discipline from them. which is great for bouchbomb time lol

Based on the over the top jargon that we all are subjected to regarding Barkov's defensive play - he shouldn't have been looking stupid. He's so amazing that he can shut teams down just by looking at them.

 

[redgrant]

Genuinely feel like if we win Friday it's curtains for Panthers and they'll mail it in.

They just won a cup, they play in a zero atmosphere market with no pressure to win, not as hungry as Edmonton and a lot of them like Bennett & Ekblad are done in Florida.

 

[CornKicker]

Based on the over the top jargon that we all are subjected to regarding Barkov's defensive play - he shouldn't have been looking stupid. He's so amazing that he can shut teams down just by looking at them.

100% he should have been able to bat that puck out of the air and send marchand on a breakaway, must have been an off night for the best defensive forward ever seen by anyone. i wonder what the excuse will be after the oilers torch them again and again and again to win the cup

 

[redgrant]

Bennett definitely springboards backwards as well. And he's going to do it next game.

The Oilers have to do the same at the other end to Bobrovsky. We will see what the zebras do.

Podz didn't do it when he was pushed much harder. Knob needs to be screaming in the locker room a precident has been set. You feel contact you fall on the goalie. Harder the better.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

There were no "passengers" this game..

In the first period I was a little disappointed with Podkolzin for a bad read followed by a poor pass but the Podman had a helluva game after that.

I predict Podkolzin getting stronger as the series progresses and becoming a game changer. He wants it and he isn't afraid to take it.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

Podz didn't do it when he was pushed much harder. Knob needs to be screaming in the locker room a precident has been set. You feel contact you fall on the goalie. Harder the better.

As I just mentioned, Podman is going to start a mean streak.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

rewatching the OT goal on the break in that rat marchand takes out bouchards legs. slippery play and i hate him cause we are playing him but its a headsup play on the break-in eliminating an option

Yeah, I caught that, at the blueline before Bouchard enters the offensive zone, right?

 

[Little Fury]

He probably blocks that pass 95% of the time.

But it’s McDavid and he anticipated Barkov overcommitting so slid the puck back across under Barkov’s stick.

That’s the difference between facing McDrai and facing Aho or Matthews.

He sauced it over it to be exact.

 

[T-Funk]

Very well done.

Narrated by high school football star Tim Riggins

 

[Mr Positive]

Not every f***ing 5 minutes like it is on this board. Its embarrassing and so childish. Every team gets jobbed by the Refs. They were actually more than fair after game 2 of the LA series.

I totally agree. Bettman and the NHL are not biased against us. The refs aren't either. It always feels that way because our own penalties are not so obvious to us. The worst non call of that game benefitted us. It's true

 

[FlameChampion]

I legitimately love the Barnburner podcast, mainly because I’ve listened to those guys for years and years. Great guys, and one with constantly terrible takes.

Today’s episode was brilliant. They can’t say anything bad about the Oilers, and it was difficult for them. They avoided talking hockey for as long as they could. When they got into it and talked about how stupid it was for Calgary to trade Kylak for nothing 7 years ago, Rhett Warrener came in strong with this:

“We’re f’ed. We’re absolutely screwed. One hundred percent f’ed. Fact of the matter is, these pricks up north are probably going to do it, it sucks, I hate it. And yes, we’ve got another decade of them continuing to be good and we don’t have any stars to go up against them!”

At full volume. It was great.

Hate to say it but that podcast is more enjoyable than Oilersnation

 

[aggressive forecheck]

I totally agree. Bettman and the NHL are not biased against us. The refs aren't either. It always feels that way because our own penalties are not so obvious to us. The worst non call of that game benefitted us. It's true

I wouldn't say that, we've definitely had games during this postseason go in favor, in the terms of officiating, for the Oilers but we haven't seen a series where the Oilers received the benefit of the doubt more than the opposition.

One bad officiating call can cost a series if it's at the right time or a player gets injured due to the officials turning a blind eye over a stretch of time in a series or even over the entire playoffs. But be real, the NHL led by Bettman has many tentacles that has helped the Canadian Cup drought along.

 

[FlameChampion]

Was an interesting comment by Knoblauch yesterday where he indicated he doesn’t want to overload the players with information. He wants them to know the minimum amount of information so they can play free and not overthink out there.

Kind of the opposite approach to Woodcroft.

 

[Little Fury]

Narrated by high school football star Tim Riggins

 

[Mr Positive]

I wouldn't say that, we've definitely had games during this postseason go in favor, in the terms of officiating, for the Oilers but we haven't seen a series where the Oilers received the benefit of the doubt more than the opposition.

One bad officiating call can cost a series if it's at the right time or a player gets injured due to the officials turning a blind eye over a stretch of time in a series or even over the entire playoffs. But be real, the NHL led by Bettman has many tentacles that has helped the Canadian Cup drought along.

I am open to the idea, but one of the biggest kinds of bad thinking is making order out of chaos. We are wired to believe that nothing is random. It's why conspiracy theories get so popular. It's like how everyone assumed the draft was rigged. If the league allowed the Oilers to draft McDavid and didn't step in behind the scenes to stop him from re-signing with max term, why would they now stop us from getting a cup? It's just nonsense to me. Arguably getting McDavid is a much bigger deal than winning the cup, in terms of franchise value and promoting a team.

So I would need some pretty blatant proof of bias to believe there is any bias keeping the Oilers without a cup. I also think that in general we have a few players who are not subtle about their physical plays. We are an intense team who invites more calls against us. We also make bigger errors it seems, like allowing odd man breaks and doing more blatant penalties to stop it. Even then, I see our team get away with a lot of stuff.

 

[Fourier]

Was an interesting comment by Knoblauch yesterday where he indicated he doesn’t want to overload the players with information. He wants them to know the minimum amount of information so they can play free and not overthink out there.

Kind of the opposite approach to Woodcroft.

It's actually refreshing to hear this. Anyone who teaches for a living, which is effectively what coaches do, should know that recognizing the impact of cognitive overload is important. In the case of hockey players it leads to hesitation which is often the worse thing you could have in a game like hockey.

 

[NegativeNelly]

I loved seeing Florida getting their shit pushed in

 

[K1984]

100% he should have been able to bat that puck out of the air and send marchand on a breakaway, must have been an off night for the best defensive forward ever seen by anyone. i wonder what the excuse will be after the oilers torch them again and again and again to win the cup

It won't matter. Personalities like Kypreos still go on air and barf nonsense like how Barkov "shut McDavid down" in the Final last year. On instagram I saw a stupid post about how he only held 29/97 to 1 5v5 goal against last Final, but the fact he finished the series (-) and was -2 for all three games we won? Nothing to see there, wouldn't want to have that get in the way of the good time talking about how amazing he is defensively.

 

[Fourier]

I am open to the idea, but one of the biggest kinds of bad thinking is making order out of chaos. We are wired to believe that nothing is random. It's why conspiracy theories get so popular. It's like how everyone assumed the draft was rigged. If the league allowed the Oilers to draft McDavid and didn't step in behind the scenes to stop him from re-signing with max term, why would they now stop us from getting a cup? It's just nonsense to me. Arguably getting McDavid is a much bigger deal than winning the cup, in terms of franchise value and promoting a team.

So I would need some pretty blatant proof of bias to believe there is any bias keeping the Oilers without a cup. I also think that in general we have a few players who are not subtle about their physical plays. We are an intense team who invites more calls against us. We also make bigger errors it seems, like allowing odd man breaks and doing more blatant penalties to stop it. Even then, I see our team get away with a lot of stuff.

There is a difference between overt bias against one team and actions that have disproportionate impact on one team over another. In the case of the NHL game management is a real thing. The NHL places extreme value on parity. It impacts the Oilers in two ways. The first is that it tends to punish the best players. It would be hard to argue against the claim that the NHL treats its stars worse than any other major league. On a team like Edmonton this matters. I also think that the incredible success of the Oiler pp over the years has created a mindset amongst officials that makes it somewhat less likely that they will call penalties because of the perception that it will have a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than it might with other teams.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Laughable. It’s a public board. I’m allowed to disagree with your takes on the hockey games. Your little shtick about ‘ooh harpoon needs to call me out on the happiest day of my life because he’s such a downer’ is ridiculous. I’m responding politely. The fact that you don’t like it, and reply with this nonsense instead of actually discussing anything I wrote, is your problem. It’s starting to look like a serious one. Too bad.

Your stated intent in these exchanges isn't discussion. You've told me its condescension, Do you forget that?

You're responding politely by prefacing posts with "laughable" Thats your idea of polite. Pass.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

There is a difference between overt bias against one team and actions that have disproportionate impact on one team over another. In the case of the NHL game management is a real thing. The NHL places extreme value on parity. It impacts the Oilers in two ways. The first is that it tends to punish the best players. It would be hard to argue against the claim that the NHL treats its stars worse than any other major league. On a team like Edmonton this matters. I also think that the incredible success of the Oiler pp over the years has created a mindset amongst officials that makes it somewhat less likely that they will call penalties because of the perception that it will have a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than it might with other teams.

I don't believe the impact of "game management" is in the same ballpark as revenue sharing when it comes to 32 years of Canadian cup deficiency. That's the elephant in the room.

 

[harpoon]

t's like how everyone assumed the draft was rigged. If the league allowed the Oilers to draft McDavid and didn't step in behind the scenes to stop him from re-signing with max term, why would they now stop us from getting a cup? It's just nonsense to

I don’t disagree with the examples that you mention. But this is a league with low levels of integrity and consistency. We’ve seen the Oilers targeted on several occasions for changes to, or application of, the rules. Recall when the league pro-rated Lucic’s goal totals so that Edmonton was unfairly penalized for the fact that there was a worldwide pandemic. Recall when the league vetoed salary cap recapture when Duncan Keith retired. For no apparent reason at all. Those are real incidents that negatively impacted this team.

But to speak about the present, and mention two things that bother me. First, it is a matter of grave concern that Florida has the father of one of their executives in a top decision making position within the league. That should not be permitted because it requires of everyone else to rest easy in the integrity of the Campbell family. Sorry, and no offense to the family, I’m not comfortable with that and I don’t see why anyone would be. I’m not saying that calls are made to the war room and influence is exerted by Campbell Sr. But I’m not saying I’m confident that it doesn’t happen either. Maybe calls don’t even need to be made. Maybe the people looking at the video already intuitively know what their marching orders are when it comes to borderline calls and the Florida Panthers.

Second, and I have to admit that I didn’t really look into this, but Ekblad was found to be using PEDs during the playoffs last season. It was rumored that he wasn’t alone. He served his suspension and that’s great. But has there been any extra scrutiny on the player or the team this season? I understand that the nhlpa has probably negotiated the flimsiest of all drug testing policies into the cba. But why is that allowed? Offenders should face extra scrutiny. In many other sports they would. Do you feel confident that something shady hasn’t gone on again at some point this year? Was the league transparent with the ticket buying public on how that incident was handled and what steps were taken to avoid a repeat? Was anyone on the Panthers even tested this year? I consider myself a pretty hardcore fan and I didn’t see any press releases that left me feeling comforted.

So yeah, ‘conspiracy theories’ sometimes get taken to extremes by passionate fans. But this league is miles behind where it ought to be when it comes to integrity, transparency and consistency. It’s difficult for me to blame some fans when they imagine the worst. Looking at you Bettman.

 

[Fourier]

I don't believe the impact of "game management" is in the same ballpark as revenue sharing when it comes to 32 years of Canadian cup deficiency. That's the elephant in the room.

I am not 100% sure what your point is here. Are you saying revenue sharing hurts Canadian teams chances of winning?

 

[Little Fury]

But to speak about the present, and mention two things that bother me. First, it is a matter of grave concern that Florida has the father of one of their executives in a top decision making position within the league. That should not be permitted because it requires of everyone else to rest easy in the integrity of the Campbell family. Sorry, and no offense to the family, I’m not comfortable with that and I don’t see why anyone would be. I’m not saying that calls are made to the war room and influence is exerted by Campbell Sr. But I’m not saying I’m confident that it doesn’t happen either. Maybe calls don’t even need to be made. Maybe the people looking at the video already intuitively know what their marching orders are when it comes to borderline calls and the Florida Panthers.

Does anyone else remember the Campbell Files?

Blogger Tyler Dellow has damned NHL vice president of hockey operations Colin Campbell with his own words. For any fan or player who has ever accused or suspected the league's top disciplinarian of being a vindictive, biased model of inconsistency whose favoritism and politics have turned the NHL's supplemental discipline system into professional sports' greatest punchline ... Merry Christmas.

On Sunday night, Dellow posted a few dozen emails exchanged by Campbell with members of NHL brass in 2006 and 2007. They were submitted as evidence in a complaint brought before the Ontario Labour Relations Board by former NHL official Dean Warren, who disputed his termination from the NHL.

The frequently profane communications about Warren's alleged incompetence had been previously reported in the media; the details Dellow discovered in the emails goes beyond that case and strike at the axel of the NHL's wobbly Wheel of Justice.

The Colin Campbell Emails aren't as much a revelation as much as a confirmation for his critics. They reveal criticism of officials who dared call disputed penalties on his son Gregory Campbell(notes), now a forward with the Boston Bruins. They reveal the candid, petty assessments by an NHL executive on the league's on-ice officials' performances.

And, most scandalously, they reveal a long-standing grudge Campbell holds against Bruins center Marc Savard(notes) ... and fans across the NHL are now wondering if that grudge may have come into play when Campbell let Matt Cooke off without a suspension for concussing Savard last season.

Are we supposed to think things have changed at all since then?

 

[OilerTyler]

Does anyone else remember the Campbell Files?

Are we supposed to think things have changed at all since then?

Yes I remember. People talk about the Colin Campbell thing like it's some sort of conspiracy but we have actual evidence of him manipulating games for his son's benefit and the league didn't even reprimand him. It's not even a conspiracy haha.