Proposal: Buffalo Utah

[Dead Coyote]

Well it could be Byram+ for Kesselring + Crouse for example. Byram is more like a #2D now, he has been playing in the first pair almost the whole season and has been playing well, he can move the puck, he can provide some defense, although it is not his strong point, he is still young and already experienced enough, he can also play RD. Obviously it makes no sense for us to trade him cheap or for example for a winger, since our main problems are RD and top 6 C. Kesselring fills this need, Crouse is the type of winger we need.

Not sure why Seattle would want Byram with Dunn and Montour in the top 4. But it's also unclear how they could find a good deal there.

Fair enough. I don't think it makes any sense to trade Kesselring + Crouse for Byram for Utah. Again, Utah's top 4 is Sergachev and Durzi who are both PMD who are sometimes bad sometimes okay at defense. Kesselring is another one of those types also in the roster who is currently playing top 4 sometimes and probably should be, but isn't the best partner for Sergachev or Durzi. Utah would acquire Byram only to play him on either the first pairing with Sergachev, which likely leads to a pretty bad defensive unit, or on the 3rd pair. And Utah would have to re-sign to a long term deal after this season to continue to do so? It makes no sense.

Seattle would be more interested because they need to get younger and would be okay playing Byram on the 3rd pair until Dunn's contract is up or hoping that they can trade Dunn/Montour IF Byram looks good with Larsson/Evans/Dunn in the top 4. They also have a f*** ton of draft capital and assets to get a move done which is apparently what Buffalo would prefer.

 

[Fjordy]

Fair enough. I don't think it makes any sense to trade Kesselring + Crouse for Byram for Utah. Again, Utah's top 4 is Sergachev and Durzi who are both PMD who are sometimes bad sometimes okay at defense. Kesselring is another one of those types also in the roster who is currently playing top 4 sometimes and probably should be, but isn't the best partner for Sergachev or Durzi. Utah would acquire Byram only to play him on either the first pairing with Sergachev, which likely leads to a pretty bad defensive unit, or on the 3rd pair. And Utah would have to re-sign to a long term deal after this season to continue to do so? It makes no sense.

Seattle would be more interested because they need to get younger and would be okay playing Byram on the 3rd pair until Dunn's contract is up or hoping that they can trade Dunn/Montour IF Byram looks good with Larsson/Evans/Dunn in the top 4. They also have a f*** ton of draft capital and assets to get a move done which is apparently what Buffalo would prefer.

I just don't see any pieces that we need in Seattle for Byram that they could actually trade. It's hard to find a deal.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Crouse is great but he's 27 with over 500GP, is that truly 'young'?

 

[Dead Coyote]

I just don't see any pieces that we need in Seattle for Byram that they could actually trade. It's hard to find a deal.

It's true that Seattle has even worse center depth than Buffalo, but they do have a ton of center prospects and picks. OFM has elite 2C written all over him, and Nyman is also doing great. Winterton is more of a wing probably but could be a C. Shrug. If there's no interest than there's no interest, Byram isn't exactly a huge need anyways. Cozens on the other hand...

 

[Fjordy]

It's true that Seattle has even worse center depth than Buffalo, but they do have a ton of center prospects and picks. OFM has elite 2C written all over him, and Nyman is also doing great. Winterton is more of a wing probably but could be a C. Shrug. If there's no interest than there's no interest, Byram isn't exactly a huge need anyways. Cozens on the other hand...

I understand, but it doesn't make sense for us to sell him cheap either, especially since his game and the rest of the young players have been improving and they are scoring points lately. If we trade Cozens, we will have a hole in the center.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I understand, but it doesn't make sense for us to sell him cheap either, especially since his game and the rest of the young players have been improving and they are scoring points lately. If we trade Cozens, we will have a hole in the center.

I agree, which is why I don't think there's a trade to be made between these teams. We each both basically need the same things.

 

[MOGlLNY]

He is definitely not the perfect partner for Sergachev who is Byram but better lol. Byram is closer to a 4D than he is a 2D. You're heavily overrating him here. If he was as good as you say, Buffalo would just keep him as the perfect partner for Power/Dahlin.

He has been and they likely will do this lol

 

[Dead Coyote]

He has been and they likely will do this lol

Then why are the Buffalo boards full of people saying that Power/Byram was awful and wondering if he's even going to re-sign long term?

 

[MOGlLNY]

Then why are the Buffalo boards full of people saying that Power/Byram was awful and wondering if he's even going to re-sign long term?

I didn't highlight Power when i quoted you.

Byram will sign a fair deal - we have the leverage.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I didn't highlight Power when i quoted you.

Byram will sign a fair deal - we have the leverage.

Mmmm fair enough!

 

[Djp]

It's true that Seattle has even worse center depth than Buffalo, but they do have a ton of center prospects and picks. OFM has elite 2C written all over him, and Nyman is also doing great. Winterton is more of a wing probably but could be a C. Shrug. If there's no interest than there's no interest, Byram isn't exactly a huge need anyways. Cozens on the other hand...

I dont see that with OFM. Nyman has size so I have some interest but neither remotely returns Cozens alone.

Buffalo has young center potential with Kulich, Ostlund, and Helenius. Kozak looks like a decent bottom 6 center

The thought is for buffalo to improve its current Center depth on the big club for the next 3-4 years

 

[toddkaz]

Crouse is interesting but his scoring has regressed from being a 20 goal scorer which is concerning. I can't see the value being very high for Crouse right now.

Krebs+Samuelsson for Crouse

 

[Dead Coyote]

I dont see that with OFM. Nyman has size so I have some interest but neither remotely returns Cozens alone.

Buffalo has young center potential with Kulich, Ostlund, and Helenius. Kozak looks like a decent bottom 6 center

The thought is for buffalo to improve its current Center depth on the big club for the next 3-4 years

No, neither would return Cozens alone, I wasn't proposing that. I don't think a deal makes a ton of sense but it would probably be picks and prospects or some kind of deal involving multiple roster pieces that I doubt Buffalo fans would be happy with.

 

[Djp]

No, neither would return Cozens alone, I wasn't proposing that. I don't think a deal makes a ton of sense but it would probably be picks and prospects or some kind of deal involving multiple roster pieces that I doubt Buffalo fans would be happy with.

Buffalo is not trading Cozens for picks and prospects

 

[DatDude44]

Jokiharhju for petry and a 3rd..........

 

[TageGod]

I would only move Byram for a different style D, or a top 6C.

 

[tsujimoto74]

It's true that Seattle has even worse center depth than Buffalo, but they do have a ton of center prospects and picks. OFM has elite 2C written all over him, and Nyman is also doing great. Winterton is more of a wing probably but could be a C. Shrug. If there's no interest than there's no interest, Byram isn't exactly a huge need anyways. Cozens on the other hand...

We have our own prospects (Helenius and Ostlund at the center position, plus Kulich if you count him as a prospect still). We don't want anymore goddamn picks and prospects. If/when Buffalo makes a trade, it's to make our team better *now*.

 

[Dead Coyote]

We have our own prospects (Helenius and Ostlund at the center position, plus Kulich if you count him as a prospect still). We don't want anymore goddamn picks and prospects. If/when Buffalo makes a trade, it's to make our team better *now*.

I mean, several Buffalo posters on these boards have said that Buffalo isn't looking to compete and don't want NHL players. Buffalo posters don't seem to want Wright, Evans, or any of our wingers or centers that are aging out, don't seem to want prospects...seems like you guys are just hoping for the perfect offer. Which is fine. You clearly don't want to let go of these guys lol. Understandable.

Evans, Beniers, and Wright are our best pieces for trade off the roster (and in general) and I don't want to let them go either, but if multiple pieces from Buffalo were coming back it would be hard to say no to some deals. Except for Beniers, maybe.

 

[Fjordy]

I mean, several Buffalo posters on these boards have said that Buffalo isn't looking to compete and don't want NHL players. Buffalo posters don't seem to want Wright, Evans, or any of our wingers or centers that are aging out, don't seem to want prospects...seems like you guys are just hoping for the perfect offer. Which is fine. You clearly don't want to let go of these guys lol. Understandable.

Evans, Beniers, and Wright are our best pieces for trade off the roster (and in general) and I don't want to let them go either, but if multiple pieces from Buffalo were coming back it would be hard to say no to some deals. Except for Beniers, maybe.

Yeah, it sucks because he's the one we need the most.

 

[Djp]

I mean, several Buffalo posters on these boards have said that Buffalo isn't looking to compete and don't want NHL players. Buffalo posters don't seem to want Wright, Evans, or any of our wingers or centers that are aging out, don't seem to want prospects...

Let's get thr definitions correct here

Prospects are unsigned drafted p ln Ayers or players on sliding ELCs if they are 2+ yrs away from the nhl
P ln syerd playing in the nhl as s a regular part if s team who gave a regular roster spot is something fifferrny.

Trading for 30+ yr old players giving up high draft picks or recent high prospects is dumb

The trade nadr around Saboie for McLeod arr the kind of trades buffalo is looking for. McLeod us an experience nhl player U25 player with 2+ full years of team control. Hes not a 1+ yr UFA 30+ yr old player. He also is not attached to a bad contract taking them into their declining yrs as a 32+ yr old player for the next 4+ yrs

Buffalo us not interest in trading players like Cozens or Byram for picks and prospects

Right now Buffalo has a bunch of ELCs and recently drafted prospects. Th eff y dont nerd more un is ess its targeting something they might be lacking

Evans, Beniers, and Wright are our best pieces for trade off the roster (and in general) and I don't want to let them go either, but if multiple pieces from Buffalo were coming back it would be hard to say no to some deals. Except for Beniers, maybe.

Look at Buffalo depth

At LD buffalo has
Dahlin 2018
Samuelson 2018
Byram 2019- acquired--
Ryan Johnskn 2019- ELC rochester
Power-2021
Bryson 2017

Buffalo has no need for Evan's a LD

At RD they atd having LD playing on RD. Dahlin can p ln at RD
Jokiharju UFA 25
Clifton UFA 26
Thry gave some prospect RD they drafted in 22-24, two are playing in WJC now

A nbn natural need is a RD who is young and can play in the nhl preferably at a mid am pair level sd nf be under contract or ffg use for contract for next 3 yrs but not at as high price because CV of other contracts
I think they try to sign Strbak after ncaa, have him play 25/26 in A then possibly replace Clifton as a bottom pair for 26/27

On current roster at F buffalo has on EKC peterka, quinn, kulich, Benson, they have a few other ELC F they can call up or have
Buffalo has 3 F in WJC, 2 are on sliding contracts in tochester and they have a few others. Most are w iij angers. A fee are centersbinbostlund, hekrniys, and Kulich current at C on sabres

A need us looking just like the RD above, a similar aged center whi us U25 and playing in nhl ritherbin final ELC or on a bridge

The two big needs are RD snd C

The only was buffalo moves cozens and byram if they are getting back those two players. Cozens also has size do if they were trading him, they as also need to get a F we with size back

They are not trading either for picks, prospects, maybes, potentials, reclamation projects, or those on the downside of their career.

They also arent trading a top pair D for a 3rd/4th line winger.

 

[Marioesque]

I thought we were making up names for country singers

 

[Dead Coyote]

Let's get thr definitions correct here

Prospects are unsigned drafted p ln Ayers or players on sliding ELCs if they are 2+ yrs away from the nhl
P ln syerd playing in the nhl as s a regular part if s team who gave a regular roster spot is something fifferrny.

Trading for 30+ yr old players giving up high draft picks or recent high prospects is dumb

The trade nadr around Saboie for McLeod arr the kind of trades buffalo is looking for. McLeod us an experience nhl player U25 player with 2+ full years of team control. Hes not a 1+ yr UFA 30+ yr old player. He also is not attached to a bad contract taking them into their declining yrs as a 32+ yr old player for the next 4+ yrs

Buffalo us not interest in trading players like Cozens or Byram for picks and prospects

Right now Buffalo has a bunch of ELCs and recently drafted prospects. Th eff y dont nerd more un is ess its targeting something they might be lacking



Look at Buffalo depth

At LD buffalo has
Dahlin 2018
Samuelson 2018
Byram 2019- acquired--
Ryan Johnskn 2019- ELC rochester
Power-2021
Bryson 2017

Buffalo has no need for Evan's a LD

At RD they atd having LD playing on RD. Dahlin can p ln at RD
Jokiharju UFA 25
Clifton UFA 26
Thry gave some prospect RD they drafted in 22-24, two are playing in WJC now

A nbn natural need is a RD who is young and can play in the nhl preferably at a mid am pair level sd nf be under contract or ffg use for contract for next 3 yrs but not at as high price because CV of other contracts
I think they try to sign Strbak after ncaa, have him play 25/26 in A then possibly replace Clifton as a bottom pair for 26/27

On current roster at F buffalo has on EKC peterka, quinn, kulich, Benson, they have a few other ELC F they can call up or have
Buffalo has 3 F in WJC, 2 are on sliding contracts in tochester and they have a few others. Most are w iij angers. A fee are centersbinbostlund, hekrniys, and Kulich current at C on sabres

A need us looking just like the RD above, a similar aged center whi us U25 and playing in nhl ritherbin final ELC or on a bridge

The two big needs are RD snd C

The only was buffalo moves cozens and byram if they are getting back those two players. Cozens also has size do if they were trading him, they as also need to get a F we with size back

They are not trading either for picks, prospects, maybes, potentials, reclamation projects, or those on the downside of their career.

They also arent trading a top pair D for a 3rd/4th line winger.

I don't disagree with anything you've said. I already said that both Seattle and Utah are bad trade partners. All the teams here lack center depth. I'm not trying to force a trade on you man, just stay the course. If that's what you want from a Cozens/Byram deal than by all means. I was just listing the best assets on the roster that Seattle has. They're valuable pieces, doesn't mean they fit with a trade to Buffalo.