Buffalo Sabres Mount Rushmore
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a few guys missing here. I would go Hasek, Perreault, Martin for sure. Beyond that I’d look at Gare or Ruff as coach. Outside look at Housley, Mike Ramsey or Andy.
It was done a year ago, but I don't think the results would change much if it was redone today.
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I am too young to appreciate some of those names. I went Hasek, LaFontaine, Mogilny, Housley but I can admit the last two feel weak.
Patty and the Dom are locks though, right?
Patty and the Dom are locks though, right?
WhereAreTheCookies
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Hasek
Perreault
Andreychuk
Martin
I know a lot of people will say LaFontaine, but he played less than 300 games with the organization. His 148 point season really enamored a lot of fans and played too much of a role in his legacy in my opinion.
Hasek and Perreault are unquestionable.
Martin spent a decade with the team, part of the famed French connection, 2nd in goals, 3rd in points all time for the Sabres.
Andreychuk spent half of his career with the Sabres, 2nd in points, and 3rd in goals all time for the Sabres. I had a hard time choosing him over Robert.
Perreault
Andreychuk
Martin
I know a lot of people will say LaFontaine, but he played less than 300 games with the organization. His 148 point season really enamored a lot of fans and played too much of a role in his legacy in my opinion.
Hasek and Perreault are unquestionable.
Martin spent a decade with the team, part of the famed French connection, 2nd in goals, 3rd in points all time for the Sabres.
Andreychuk spent half of his career with the Sabres, 2nd in points, and 3rd in goals all time for the Sabres. I had a hard time choosing him over Robert.
The only 2 locks for me are Hasek and Perreault.
I also added Lafontaine and Mogilny, but a bit less sure about those. I like that they both peaked so high, but neither player was there for all that long.
Where's Dahlin and Eichel?! Dahlin is a generational dman so he should be an option. And even if Eichel got traded the hype around him was huge so he should be a voting option here.
I forgot about Eichel, but have added him now. Dahlin has also been added, thanks.
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Hasek
Perreault
Lafontaine
Miller... most franchise Wins + a Vezina. How does he only have 5 votes?
Perreault
Lafontaine
Miller... most franchise Wins + a Vezina. How does he only have 5 votes?
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BigBadBruins7708
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Hasek and Perreault are locks. Nobody else is on that level.
Arguments can be made for several others to fill the other two spots -- Martin, Robert, Miller, Andreychuk, Hawerchuk, Lafontaine, etc. Even though Patty La is my all-time favorite Sabre, I left him off the list and put more emphasis on longevity. So, I went with Miller and Ray.
Miller was with the organization for 12 years, won the Vezina, leads the franchise in wins, and was a de facto captain for some of the best Sabres' seasons (05-06 & 06-07).
Rayzor was with the organization for 15 years, amassed over 3000 penalty minutes and was an important locker room guy and fan favorite. I'll give him some bonus points for his noted charity work in the community, having an NHL rule named after him, and being the color commentator for the Sabres for the last decade. I'm sure I'll get grief for this, but he's a true Sabre. Maybe Rick Jeannerette should be a choice?
Arguments can be made for several others to fill the other two spots -- Martin, Robert, Miller, Andreychuk, Hawerchuk, Lafontaine, etc. Even though Patty La is my all-time favorite Sabre, I left him off the list and put more emphasis on longevity. So, I went with Miller and Ray.
Miller was with the organization for 12 years, won the Vezina, leads the franchise in wins, and was a de facto captain for some of the best Sabres' seasons (05-06 & 06-07).
Rayzor was with the organization for 15 years, amassed over 3000 penalty minutes and was an important locker room guy and fan favorite. I'll give him some bonus points for his noted charity work in the community, having an NHL rule named after him, and being the color commentator for the Sabres for the last decade. I'm sure I'll get grief for this, but he's a true Sabre. Maybe Rick Jeannerette should be a choice?
BigBadBruins7708
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Perrault's numbers aren't really above Vanek's when you account for era. Perrault played in the highest scoring era in league history, Vanek in one of the lowest.
Craig Ramsay should get more consideration. Was one of the best defensive players in the game for a significant period (6 times top 3 in Selke voting, and the award didn’t come out until halfway through his career). Over a 7 year prime, he averaged 63 points per season, playing every game, with little PP time. He was actually 13th in the league in ES scoring during this period. When combined with his defense, he was one of the best ES players in the game during this period, and while not a great stat in a lot of ways, his plus minus was also 9th in the league during this time and above all his teammates. Buffalo was a contender in that period, with the French Connection line, and I’d argue Ramsay was as valuable as anyone other than Perrault.
All told, he played 14 seasons for the team, he and Perreault are the only 2 to top 1000 games with the franchise, and he’s 4th in points all time for the team.
All told, he played 14 seasons for the team, he and Perreault are the only 2 to top 1000 games with the franchise, and he’s 4th in points all time for the team.
Even if you factor that Perrault played 17 seasons in Buffalo to vanek’s 8. this is Perrault and it’s not even close. Add in the fact vanek was a winger and it separates further
Perreault was top 10 in scoring 5 times. Vanek never was. There’s a huge difference in their scoring relative to the league. And while Perreault played his 30s in the 80s, his prime was also before that. It was a higher scoring era, but not the highest.
If you take Vanek from 06-07 when he broke out to 12-13 which was the year before his was traded, he was 24th in the league in points and 33rd in points per game. In Perreault’s best 7 years from 73-74 to 79-80, he was 6th in league scoring and 8th in points per game. Even if you account for more teams and thus more opportunity for players to have top line roles, their relative scoring rates are very far apart. There’s a reason Perreault is a Hall of Famer and a top ~150 player of all time, and Vanek isn’t even a top 10 pick in a redraft of his draft class
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Zman5778
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Lindy Ruff should be an option given that he was both a defenseman for this organization and a coach.
Hasek and Perrault are mortal locks. Best Sabres ever and it's not really that close.
I've got Miller as the 3rd here.
Martin squeaks out over LaFontaine here........but Sabres' fandom are universally hopeful that Dahlin secures a spot here.
FWIW -- I'd vote Ruff as the 4th if I could.
Hasek and Perrault are mortal locks. Best Sabres ever and it's not really that close.
I've got Miller as the 3rd here.
Martin squeaks out over LaFontaine here........but Sabres' fandom are universally hopeful that Dahlin secures a spot here.
FWIW -- I'd vote Ruff as the 4th if I could.
Zman5778
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Can't just stat watch when it comes to Perrault. He was the organization's first ever draft pick and was synonymous with "Buffalo Sabres" up until Dom came around. Hockey HOFer on top of it.
He WAS the Sabres.
I don't know how you can't put a hockey HOFer in there while putting a guy like Vanek there who won't even sniff the Hall.
WhereAreTheCookies
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Perreault was a Sabre his entire career. He is the all-time leading scorer in Sabres history by over 500 points. No one is even close to him. He has more than double Vaneks total points as a Sabre. He has more goals as a Sabre than Vanek has points. He also has over 300 more assists as a Sabre than Vanek has points.
Even if you do stat watch.
Vanek - 598 games, 497 points as a Sabre
Perreault - 1191 games, 1326 points as a Sabre
One of those goes on the Sabres Mount Rushmore, the other was a good player for a few years.
HFpapi
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Vanek over Perreault for Sabres Mt. Rushmore is ...... certainly an opinion.
Voted
- Hasek
- Perreault
- Lafontaine
- Mogilny (though perhaps Rick Martin is a better choice here).
