Proposal: Buffalo-Minnesota

[KaprizovSaveUs]

let’s make this more interesting and give each other what they actually need. Faber for Tage Thompson.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

let’s make this more interesting and give each other what they actually need. Faber for Tage Thompson.

You aren't trading Faber for Tage Thompson. Like No

 

[Beerz]

let’s make this more interesting and give each other what they actually need. Faber for Tage Thompson.

I'd need a little more. But it's not "wild".

 

[Beerz]

You aren't trading Faber for Tage Thompson. Like No

Stop being a bully brother.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Stop being a bully brother.

Oh yeah I am being such a bully. How about you stop being sartistic and making bait comments like this

 

[Beerz]

Oh yeah I am being such a bully. How about you stop being sartistic and making bait comments like this

You just told someone what they can and can not do. Seems bullyish to me. And that is not sartistic

 

[Hockeyfan200]

You just told someone what they can and can not do. Seems bullyish to me. And that is not sartistic

I am not telling someone what to do. How about you learn to read dude . Like your act is getting tiring. Wild aren't trading Brock Faber.

 

[57special]

You just told someone what they can and can not do. Seems bullyish to me. And that is not sartistic

Sartist!

 

[57special]

Byram is a physical player.....he's about what you would expect for a guy who plays in both ends but he isnt great on D just very good. Anyone who says he doesnt play D obviously doesnt watch him at all.

Not in my wiewings of him, and many on your own board don't agree with you. When playing away from Dahlin he is ordinary at best defensively.

 

[ctmagic]

This has been the most entertaining thread I’ve seen in awhile. Rofl

I could definitely get behind something around Rossi-Peterka. Would rather move Spurgeon than Brodin though. I know Jonas has been bit by the injury bug the last few years but he’s not that old yet. I’d rather give him one more year to see if he’s been unlucky, or is he really injury prone. Understand that if he continues to get injured, his trade value will plummet but that’s the gamble with him. I think a guy like Spurgeon would be a great fit for another team with a young D core like Buf.

One other thing, I’m not sure how realistic it is that GMBG would be targeting a guy like JJP when the main reason he’s considering moving on from Rossi is “soft skill”. I mean Rossi probably plays with more grit than JJP, and plays the tougher position to fill too. I’d be surprised if this ever came to fruition.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

It’s not EA NHL franchise, you don’t just trade Brodin for a “more dependably healthy D” because injuries can’t be controlled for and that player will undoubtedly be worse. Dahlin is the only Sabres D that’s comparable to Brodin’s impact at the moment and Buffalo isn’t giving him up ever. Teams entering contention windows don’t trade away signed top pair defenders, but you add depth guys to the roster that can show up and do an adequate job for the 15 regular season games he might miss while the rest of your roster is strong enough to still win. As long as Brodin is healthy for the playoffs, that is what matters.

The Wild don’t have another defender on the roster or in the development system that comes close to Brodin’s shutdown and defensive skills, even Faber isn’t there yet. You ship out a Brodin and immediately will be looking for someone just like him for the next decade, it makes very little sense IMO to package him with Rossi for forward help when they are so much easier to fill.

I don’t think the current version of Brodin is the player you are describing. They are already having to deal with him being absent or constantly playing at less than healthy. I’d take 80% of Brodin if you could consistently have that guy in the lineup.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

I don’t think the current version of Brodin is the player you are describing. They are already having to deal with him being absent or constantly playing at less than healthy. I’d take 80% of Brodin if you could consistently have that guy in the lineup.

He misses time from playing all out defensive hockey, when he is on the ice, he is a force of good for this team in large chunks of time, taking enormous pressure off his partner and our forward lines. Brodin has consistently been our top performing D since probably Suters injury, last year even with the missed time he was rated the top performing defensive defenseman in the league. That’s exactly the kind of guy I want around for a contention window, with the added benefit that he gets to help break in a guy like Buium or Jiricek significantly more easily.

And if Brodin misses 20 regular season games, that’s an opportunity for one of those young d men to step up and take on a bigger role. If they fail, the Wild do finally have the cap flexibility to make an in-season trade this year for a stop gap, something that we have been missing and suffered from these past few injury filled seasons.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I'd need a little more. But it's not "wild".

Personally, I think Buffalo adds.

22 year old #1D vs 27 year old #1RW

 

[Beerz]

Personally, I think Buffalo adds.

22 year old #1D vs 27 year old #1RW

Meh. Depends where you think Faber is heading. His rookie year or last year in terms of points. If he is 50 to 60+ point guy I tend to agree. If he is 30 to 40 guy not so much.

 

[TageGod]

Peterka for Rossi is interesting because it sort of "fixes" our center spine since Tage is a winger under Ruff. We lose the player trade but improve the team makeup (and Peterka sucks defensively). So, net could be more equal than paper.

Anyone interested in Norris for Rossi swap? Norris fits a type your GM likes more than Rossi.

Mcleod probably isn't available simply due to roster makeup and he plays a valuable role. No sense removing an addition they just resigned.

If you want Tuch, open the wallet. From Min it is Rossi, your first, and your best prospect. He is all around a top 10 winger in the NHL. Shorthanded, blocked shots, dawg on the forecheck.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Peterka for Rossi is interesting because it sort of "fixes" our center spine since Tage is a winger under Ruff. We lose the player trade but improve the team makeup (and Peterka sucks defensively). So, net could be more equal than paper.

Anyone interested in Norris for Rossi swap? Norris fits a type your GM likes more than Rossi.

Mcleod probably isn't available simply due to roster makeup and he plays a valuable role. No sense removing an addition they just resigned.

If you want Tuch, open the wallet. From Min it is Rossi, your first, and your best prospect. He is all around a top 10 winger in the NHL. Shorthanded, blocked shots, dawg on the forecheck.

No to Norris. His injury history, and his contract is a No.

 

[57special]

Recent Athletic article mentions 5 RFA's who are likely to get big $$ on their new contracts. Both Peterka and Rossi are profiled, and the $$ valuations of their new contracts are near identical according to Evolving Hockey and something called AFP Analytics(or something like that). The descriptions hand out praise to both, but note Rossi's size as a weakness, and JJ's defense...

"Peterka is an excellent offensive creator, but his defensive impact was dreadful this season. During Peterka’s five-on-five shifts, the Sabres bled 3.04 expected goals against per 60 and 3.35 actual goals against per 60, which was by far the worst mark among all Buffalo forwards. His defensive rating ranked in the bottom five percent of league forwards according to Dom Luszczyszyn’s Net Rating model."

While Guerin and Hynes might not like Rossi's lack of height, I can't see them being thrilled about getting back a poor defensive winger in return. Surely they know that they need a Center ... which makes trading Rossi all the more puzzling.

 

[ctmagic]

While Guerin and Hynes might not like Rossi's lack of height, I can't see them being thrilled about getting back a poor defensive winger in return. Surely they know that they need a Center ... which makes trading Rossi all the more puzzling.

Don’t see it either. I think the move is signing a vet C in FA and flipping Rossi for a PWFD style winger. That’s not Peterka.

I’d bet we have Ek, Nelson, Yurov, and Gaudreau to start the season down the middle next year. Not sure where Rossi fits in if BG struggles to find a deal for him.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Meh. Depends where you think Faber is heading. His rookie year or last year in terms of points. If he is 50 to 60+ point guy I tend to agree. If he is 30 to 40 guy not so much.

If Faber is scoring 50+ points, Buffalo is adding significantly to Thompson. Faber’s primary function is defensive ability. Scoring 50+ along with that would make him a top 5 dman in the league. Those are never traded for wingers… Even the 40+ goal scoring kind.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Recent Athletic article mentions 5 RFA's who are likely to get big $$ on their new contracts. Both Peterka and Rossi are profiled, and the $$ valuations of their new contracts are near identical according to Evolving Hockey and something called AFP Analytics(or something like that). The descriptions hand out praise to both, but note Rossi's size as a weakness, and JJ's defense...

"Peterka is an excellent offensive creator, but his defensive impact was dreadful this season. During Peterka’s five-on-five shifts, the Sabres bled 3.04 expected goals against per 60 and 3.35 actual goals against per 60, which was by far the worst mark among all Buffalo forwards. His defensive rating ranked in the bottom five percent of league forwards according to Dom Luszczyszyn’s Net Rating model."

While Guerin and Hynes might not like Rossi's lack of height, I can't see them being thrilled about getting back a poor defensive winger in return. Surely they know that they need a Center ... which makes trading Rossi all the more puzzling.

You realize that he played on a team that gave up one of the highest goal totals in the league, right? There are so many factors that could tie into his high GA/60 number. Hell, Greenway is at 3.15 GA/60 onand I don’t think anyone would have called him horrendous defensively when he was on Minnesota. It’s just an ugly use of a stat that isn’t necessarily Peterka’s fault. Get him a team with structure and see what happens.

 

[ctmagic]

“Based on conversations with numerous NHL sources, the Philadelphia Flyers, Buffalo Sabres, Pittsburgh Penguins, Chicago Blackhawks, and Seattle Kraken have all expressed interest in acquiring Rossi.”

Source: RG.org

Seems as though Buffalo may be interested…

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

“Based on conversations with numerous NHL sources, the Philadelphia Flyers, Buffalo Sabres, Pittsburgh Penguins, Chicago Blackhawks, and Seattle Kraken have all expressed interest in acquiring Rossi.”

Source: RG.org

Seems as though Buffalo may be interested…

Not exactly a murder's row

 

[Beerz]

“Based on conversations with numerous NHL sources, the Philadelphia Flyers, Buffalo Sabres, Pittsburgh Penguins, Chicago Blackhawks, and Seattle Kraken have all expressed interest in acquiring Rossi.”

Source: RG.org

Seems as though Buffalo may be interested…

RG huh

 

[Chainshot]

Recent Athletic article mentions 5 RFA's who are likely to get big $$ on their new contracts. Both Peterka and Rossi are profiled, and the $$ valuations of their new contracts are near identical according to Evolving Hockey and something called AFP Analytics(or something like that). The descriptions hand out praise to both, but note Rossi's size as a weakness, and JJ's defense...

"Peterka is an excellent offensive creator, but his defensive impact was dreadful this season. During Peterka’s five-on-five shifts, the Sabres bled 3.04 expected goals against per 60 and 3.35 actual goals against per 60, which was by far the worst mark among all Buffalo forwards. His defensive rating ranked in the bottom five percent of league forwards according to Dom Luszczyszyn’s Net Rating model."

While Guerin and Hynes might not like Rossi's lack of height, I can't see them being thrilled about getting back a poor defensive winger in return. Surely they know that they need a Center ... which makes trading Rossi all the more puzzling.

AFP does some good work on salary projections. Their spring list is here if you want to poke about:

 

[BagHead]

RG huh

I'm not sure what RG.org even is, but my firewall won't let me through to it. It seems to think it's untrustworthy.

AFP does some good work on salary projections. Their spring list is here if you want to poke about:

So Peterka and Rossi have nearly identical salary projections. That seems to mirror what people on HF have been saying.