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Seravalli: Buffalo may not have a choice but to trade Peterka

Munich is a medium sized city that is relatively conservative in some ways. It's also a city based around a robust manufacturing economy. I'm curious what kind of city, that is not Buffalo or a similar city, that you think he would like to live in?

I've never spent significant time in either city, or spoken to JJ Peterka.

I think its silly when people talk about "desirable" cities when I know personally I would hate living in places like Dallas and New York. These types of preferences are entirely personal.

I was just floating out the possibility that player and the community may not be a match. 🤷‍♂️
 
I think that most players want to get out of situations that look to be dysfunctional. The morale on a perpetual loser like BUF has to be very low. If they are on a contending team, players would play on the moon. Blaming the city of Buffalo for his wanting to get out is missing the forest for the trees.

You may be right. See above.
 
Well tbf Munich is a former Olympic city with almost 6 million people in it's metro area

Germany's "metro" areas are organized differently. They are combinations of totally independent cities. Germany contains 11 metropolitan regions, that are all relatively large geographically and encompass multiple independent cities. The Munich Metro Region is 27,700/km2, somewhere between South Carolina and West Virginia in size.

Stating that the Munich Metro Region is one city would be like stating Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, and Columbus are all one city. The actual Munich metro area has about 3 million inhabitants:

The metropolitan area has around 3 million inhabitants, and the broader Munich Metropolitan Region is home to about 6.2 million people.

 
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Comparing Munich to Buffalo( or Edmonton) is bizarre. Munich has a metro population of 6M. Buffalo's 1.125M. Munich has history and culture going back to medieval times, if not further(Roman?). Buffalo, well... back in 1900 it was one of the most important cities in the US, but there has been a steady, if not precipitous decline since then. The decline of local steel mills more or less finished it off, taking away the good paying blue collar jobs.

I defy anyone to visit Munich, then Buffalo, and tell me that why are similar type cities. And I say this as someone who has a soft spot for Buffalo... I have been there numerous times, and used to live just up the way in the Falls.
 
Germany's "metro" areas are organized differently. They are combinations of totally independent cities. Germany contains 11 metropolitan regions, that are all relatively large geographically and encompass multiple independent cities. The Munich Metro Region is 27,700/km2, somewhere between South Carolina and West Virginia in size.

Stating that the Munich Metro Region is one city would be like stating Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, and Columbus are all one city. The actual Munich metro area has about 3 million inhabitants:

The metropolitan area has around 3 million inhabitants, and the broader Munich Metropolitan Region is home to about 6.2 million people.

I thought it was comparable to calling the whole GTA, metro Toronto, but ok. Still, given Oktoberfest alone, pretty sure every male human on earth would rather live in Munich than Buffalo, lol
 
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I've never spent significant time in either city, or spoken to JJ Peterka.

I think its silly when people talk about "desirable" cities when I know personally I would hate living in places like Dallas and New York. These types of preferences are entirely personal.

I was just floating out the possibility that player and the community may not be a match. 🤷‍♂️

No fair enough. I 100% agree with you that not every player wants the same city experience.

As a Calgary fan, I know this all too well. Multiple players have fled the city to live in big American ones, like Fox, Tkachuk and Gaudreau. However, a bunch of players, including Swedish and Finish players, have sought out Calgary for its smaller town vibe and proximity to nature and winter activities, like Kadri, Coleman, Kiprusoff, etc..

A lot of hockey players are farm boys.

Going back to Peterka, I don't think Buffalo is that unlike Munich. Maybe it's more like a smaller Boston?...or maybe even a little like Calgary :naughty:
 
Comparing Buffalo or Edmonton to Munich is some next-level NA-centric thinking. Munich is a 10000x better and more fun city to live in than these tiny desolate American/Canadian towns...some of ya'll gotta travel a bit lol. Munich has almost a thousand years of culture and history...Buffalo has...chicken wings?
 
I think that most players want to get out of situations that look to be dysfunctional. The morale on a perpetual loser like BUF has to be very low. If they are on a contending team, players would play on the moon. Blaming the city of Buffalo for his wanting to get out is missing the forest for the trees.
Not saying you're wrong, but I also think sometimes what might look dysfunctional from the outside might feel totally different to the people in the building. Not that anyone is happy about losing, but I also doubt everyone walks around all day with frowns on their face and all the players hate everyone in the front office and blames them for their lack of success. Like anything, there are likely a mix of personalities and viewpoints and probably lots of love and happiness along with the disappointment and frustration.
 
Comparing Buffalo or Edmonton to Munich is some next-level NA-centric thinking. Munich is a 10000x better and more fun city to live in than these tiny desolate American/Canadian towns...some of ya'll gotta travel a bit lol. Munich has almost a thousand years of culture and history...Buffalo has...chicken wings?
Buffalo and Western NY are wonderful places to live and have way more than chicken wings. The jerks constantly taking shots from the outside contributes to an incredible "we're in this together" community vibe that most other places can't touch. You can go anywhere in the world, including Munich, and hear "Go Bills" or "Go Sabres" from a stranger as you're walking down the street, because we're everywhere and we all love where we come from.
 
Buffalo and Western NY are wonderful places to live and have way more than chicken wings. The jerks constantly taking shots from the outside contributes to an incredible "we're in this together" community vibe that most other places can't touch. You can go anywhere in the world, including Munich, and hear "Go Bills" or "Go Sabres" from a stranger as you're walking down the street, because we're everywhere and we all love where we come from.
I never said they're not nice places to live. I think they are. You can also go anywhere in the world and hear "Go Bayern Munich" lol. Munich is a massive city with a ton to do...it has more to do than almost all cities in North America apart from NY/LA/Chicago and the like. That's all my point was.
 
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Goddamn man I don't think it's possible for Buffalo to ever stop taking L's. Even Munich is trashing it now
You're right. We've taken a lot of L's recently when not playing the Lightning. They can't all be that easy.

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Sabres fired Tim Murray becausr one of his assistants was a leak. Owner said fired him. Tim Murray said no. He got fired.

Sabres are not the ones leaking dyuff

What you hrard is tampa likes to acquirr young players thst are on other teams.

Not true at all.

Buffalo actually had a deal in place for Necas but he wouldn't negotiate s long term contrsct when he was an RFA. That killed the deal.

It will cost alot more than a 1 yr unsigned rental player to get Peterka.necas would have to agree on an extension
I'm just saying that the Lightning rarely (if ever) have a leak before a trade, and I'm not faulting Buffalo one bit. I was trying to say that it's likely an agent that is putting info out there.
 
You're right. We've taken a lot of L's recently when not playing the Lightning. They can't all be that easy.

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Mind if I keep that? I've been screaming like a howler monkey that our coaching is broken and while Cooper doesn't need to lose his job, he needs to change the recipe. Because after 4 years of running it back with the same scheme, literally everyone knows how to play us.
 
The Lightning will be okay if they move Cirelli because his playoff deployment consists solely of "Shut down the other team!!" while our collective playoff offense never gets out of 2nd gear. Don't let the numbers fool you. Our coaching staff simply realized 4 years ago (when we tried for that 3rd straight title) that we can just run dead puck hockey 90% of a game and still lead the league in scoring or come close to it. As long as whatever "super line" we construct that's prone to 4 week slumps pops off for random 4 goal nights 15-20 times a year, we're happy. This year it was Guentzel-Point-Kucherov. So come playoff time, shut down whatever this year's "super line" is and Tampa's season is over in a week because we have 2 lines that do jack shit and the Cirelli line mindlessly swarming the neutral zone all night. If we're lucky, they might take 1 of those 8 SOG's we have in a period.

I'd rest easy on JJ Peterka. I doubt he has watched this and said "Thats the only place I wanna go!"
Honestly, I don't see a huge glaring issue in the TB roster construction not named Emil Lilleberg. I think it really is just a mindset problem, and they just haven't found that big goal when they've needed it against Florida the last two years. This series was within reach every game after game 1. I think that game 4 loss just stunned them. Otherwise they were right there every game with a lot of guys playing hurt. I do tend to agree about Cirelli, though. He is a very strong regular season 2C but just doesn't play the same way in May. He did have a separated shoulder or something like that, so it's tough for me to really hold this year against him, but he just hasn't looked dominant one way or the other in the playoffs.
 
Mind if I keep that? I've been screaming like a howler monkey that our coaching is broken and while Cooper doesn't need to lose his job, he needs to change the recipe. Because after 4 years of running it back with the same scheme, literally everyone knows how to play us.
To be honest with you, I don't think another coach comes in and takes us past Florida with the same beat down roster we had this season. I do think it is on the players to play more physical and take more shots and set more screens. I'd love to know what TB's record was in games where they had guys netfront taking away the goalie's vision and putting up 30+ shots on net, because I think they really might've won all of them. Unfortunately, they reverted to the 2019 "stay on the perimeter all game" strategy. There were sooo many juicy rebounds in that Florida series this year with nobody out front to clean them up. Really frustrating. I think the team isn't all that far off, but they need to embrace that playoff style like Florida has.
 
Honestly, I don't see a huge glaring issue in the TB roster construction not named Emil Lilleberg. I think it really is just a mindset problem, and they just haven't found that big goal when they've needed it against Florida the last two years. This series was within reach every game after game 1. I think that game 4 loss just stunned them. Otherwise they were right there every game with a lot of guys playing hurt. I do tend to agree about Cirelli, though. He is a very strong regular season 2C but just doesn't play the same way in May. He did have a separated shoulder or something like that, so it's tough for me to really hold this year against him, but he just hasn't looked dominant one way or the other in the playoffs.

I'd be perfectly happy with a Cirelli for Peterka deal.
I think Peterka is more talented, but Cirelli is what Buffalo needs.
 
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I'd be perfectly happy with a Cirelli for Peterka deal.
I think Peterka is more talented, but Cirelli is what Buffalo needs.
I think if the trade does go down, it might be something like Peterka + some defenseman (Samuelsson, maybe?) for Cirelli + rights to Howard + Raddysh + Sheary + 2nd or something along those lines. I think it depends on the extent to which TB management is comfortable with running center depth of Point-Paul-Gourde-Geekie/Finley or moving Guentzel to 2C with Peterka and Goncalves or Bjorkstrand and bumping Hagel to LW1. I think that honestly might be beneficial for TB in the long run, but we will see
 
That's cool. Now lets compare their playoff records over that same period.
I just did and was SHOCKED to find out that Tampa is a better team. Holy s***. Thank you so much for opening my eyes, kind stranger.

Yeah, I know the Sabres suck. I watch the games and follow the team, but the main reason I know is because so many good people like you love to tell me at literally every opportunity.
 
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Stupid question but is Tuch just completely cooked at center? At this point if Cirelli went to Buffalo, he or Thompson going back makes sense. We need centers in the worst way
Aside from a game here or there, Tuch hasn’t really played center in Buffalo. Strictly RW. I wouldn’t anticipate him changing to full-time C at this point in his career
 
Aside from a game here or there, Tuch hasn’t really played center in Buffalo. Strictly RW. I wouldn’t anticipate him changing to full-time C at this point in his career
Same but I figured I'd go to the source instead of speculate. I can't remember him at center except very rarely and I didn't know if its because he is that much better at wing or not a center
 
I think if the trade does go down, it might be something like Peterka + some defenseman (Samuelsson, maybe?) for Cirelli + rights to Howard + Raddysh + Sheary + 2nd or something along those lines. I think it depends on the extent to which TB management is comfortable with running center depth of Point-Paul-Gourde-Geekie/Finley or moving Guentzel to 2C with Peterka and Goncalves or Bjorkstrand and bumping Hagel to LW1. I think that honestly might be beneficial for TB in the long run, but we will see

Stupid question but is Tuch just completely cooked at center? At this point if Cirelli went to Buffalo, he or Thompson going back makes sense. We need centers in the worst way

Tuch has never played centre as a Sabre.

Without hyberbole, the Sabres would have very limited interest in Howard, Goncalves or any other young mid-six winger unless they are big, physical and or strong defensively. It's the one thing they have a glut of in their system.

Most Sabrefans will overvalue or refuse to talk Kulich. But if you are wanting a centre, he is the best of a trio of strong young centre prospects, with Ostlund and Helenius being the others. Krebs and McLeod may be available if the Sabres get Cirelli. Kulich or McLeod would require significant adds. What they need are defensively strong veteran defencemen.
 
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Tuch has never played centre as a Sabre.

Without hyberbole, the Sabres would have very limited interest in Howard, Goncalves or any other young mid-six winger unless they are big, physical and or strong defensively. It's the one thing they have a glut of in their system.

Most Sabrefans will overvalue or refuse to talk Kulich. But if you are wanting a centre, he is the best of a trio of strong young centre prospects, with Ostlund and Huselius being the others. Krebs and McLeod may be available if the Sabres get Cirelli. Kulich or McLeod would require significant adds. What they need are defensively strong veteran defencemen.
I think the Lightning NEEDING a center narrative is kind of overplayed. I think Nick Paul is every bit as productive in the playoffs as Cirelli, if not more. The question is, can he do it against 2nd lines rather than third lines? I think JJ Peterka is enough of a sweetener to find out. Not to mention, Guentzel can play center pretty solidly if needed, and there is already Gourde and Geekie in the bottom 6, plus Jack Finley who could play some pretty physical fourth line minutes. I think adding Peterka (even if it means subtracting Cirelli) makes the Bolts harder to beat for a longer span of time. Is the Hagel-Cirelli bromance a great story and a wonderful 1-2 punch from October to April? Absolutely. Have I seen it in the playoffs yet? Nope.
 

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