Seravalli: Buffalo may not have a choice but to trade Peterka

[atlanticobserver]

Gotta stick up a bit for some other Sabres fans here and say there are some in every fan base who treat these kinda threads as some kind of internet debate game they are somehow going to win.

Maybe Buffalo fans cling to their assets a little harder than some because of the PTSD of all their team’s previous mistakes?

There’s a difference between @Beerz simply valuing Peterka and Cirelli differently than you and I, and some other posters who (publicly at least) value all their guys at the extreme high end of their value range, and every potential trade target at the extreme low end of theirs.





Case in point?

That is entirely fair. I have a ton of respect for a lot of the Sabres fans on here for their passion despite the organization giving them very little to be passionate about.

In my personal experience, though, I have seen a lot of incongruity between many fans identifying the issues with the team (of which there seem to be a lot) while simultaneously shooting down most of the hypothetical trade proposals people are making in earnest.

To me, it feels like the conversation around Buffalo is "even though the sum of its parts is poor, the parts that comprise it are super valuable." I get it with guys like Tage Thompson and Dahlin, who are obvious superstar quality players, but you get run out of the room on here for suggesting Buffalo might want to consider trading Alex Tuch for the right offer. Much less Cirelli for Peterka.

Maybe Buffalo does work something out with Peterka, but if they do trade him, I really do not see them getting a better roster player than Cirelli. Someone is about to give Sam Bennett $10 million a year. In his career, he averages the same goals per game as Cirelli (0.23 for Bennett, 0.24 for Cirelli), and fewer points per game than Cirelli (0.49 for Bennett, 0.57 for Cirelli) and is a year older.

All this to say I still do not think Peterka ends up in Tampa, lol.

 

[Satanphonehome]

That is entirely fair. I have a ton of respect for a lot of the Sabres fans on here for their passion despite the organization giving them very little to be passionate about.

In my personal experience, though, I have seen a lot of incongruity between many fans identifying the issues with the team (of which there seem to be a lot) while simultaneously shooting down most of the hypothetical trade proposals people are making in earnest.

To me, it feels like the conversation around Buffalo is "even though the sum of its parts is poor, the parts that comprise it are super valuable." I get it with guys like Tage Thompson and Dahlin, who are obvious superstar quality players, but you get run out of the room on here for suggesting Buffalo might want to consider trading Alex Tuch for the right offer. Much less Cirelli for Peterka.

Maybe Buffalo does work something out with Peterka, but if they do trade him, I really do not see them getting a better roster player than Cirelli. Someone is about to give Sam Bennett $10 million a year. In his career, he averages the same goals per game as Cirelli (0.23 for Bennett, 0.24 for Cirelli), and fewer points per game than Cirelli (0.49 for Bennett, 0.57 for Cirelli) and is a year older.

All this to say I still do not think Peterka ends up in Tampa, lol.

There's definitely a streak of risk aversion in the Sabre fan base, where people cling desperately to the few things they like because they think the alternative might be even worse.

Guess it's kinda like the thinking that goes into staying in a bad marriage.

I'm with you, I'm up for trading anyone but Ras and Tage if the right offer comes along. Not going to get better standing still.

 

[Captain97]

Could you imagine the draft if we had? Honestly overthought that one or didn't want to have friends together?

Stutzle
Sanderson
Greig
Peterka
Kleven
Merilainen (very impressive this year)

Best draft of all time?

Habs 2007 was pretty wild especially considering where the picks were.

Ryan McDonald's at 12
Max Paccioretty at 22
PK Suban at 43

Two number 1 dmen and a player who scored 30+ goals 6 times is pretty crazy considering they had no top 10 picks.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

We have a 2C in Norris... 2C isn't what we are lacking.

Yeah, all you need is somebody to develop a Winter Soldier arm and the NHL to allow it for players, and then you'll have your 2C in Norris.

 

[Beerz]

Yeah, all you need is somebody to develop a Winter Soldier arm and the NHL to allow it for players, and then you'll have your 2C in Norris.

Pretty much.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Would buffalo consider something around 13th OA and Michael Rasmussen for JJ?
could consider subbing out 13OA with Nate Danielson

 

[Barsky]

Could you imagine the draft if we had? Honestly overthought that one or didn't want to have friends together?

Stutzle
Sanderson
Greig
Peterka
Kleven
Merilainen (very impressive this year)

Best draft of all time?

Now sub in Faber for Kleven and since Kleven wasn't as highly rated he probably coulda been had with the Sokolov pick, 100% the greatest draft of all time then and that's even ignoring the fact Reinhardt could still turn into a nice 4th line winger on top of all that

 

[Beerz]

Would buffalo consider something around 13th OA and Michael Rasmussen for JJ?
could consider subbing out 13OA with Nate Danielson

Negative.

 

[tsujimoto74]

That is entirely fair. I have a ton of respect for a lot of the Sabres fans on here for their passion despite the organization giving them very little to be passionate about.

In my personal experience, though, I have seen a lot of incongruity between many fans identifying the issues with the team (of which there seem to be a lot) while simultaneously shooting down most of the hypothetical trade proposals people are making in earnest.

To me, it feels like the conversation around Buffalo is "even though the sum of its parts is poor, the parts that comprise it are super valuable." I get it with guys like Tage Thompson and Dahlin, who are obvious superstar quality players, but you get run out of the room on here for suggesting Buffalo might want to consider trading Alex Tuch for the right offer. Much less Cirelli for Peterka.

Maybe Buffalo does work something out with Peterka, but if they do trade him, I really do not see them getting a better roster player than Cirelli. Someone is about to give Sam Bennett $10 million a year. In his career, he averages the same goals per game as Cirelli (0.23 for Bennett, 0.24 for Cirelli), and fewer points per game than Cirelli (0.49 for Bennett, 0.57 for Cirelli) and is a year older.

All this to say I still do not think Peterka ends up in Tampa, lol.

It’s almost like we want to see the team solve its existing problems, not just create new ones. Weird.

 

[TageGod]

It’s almost like we want to see the team solve its existing problems, not just create new ones. Weird.

Did you know the one problem we don't have is goal scoring wingers? Quite the surplus.

 

[Djp]

Would buffalo consider something around 13th OA and Michael Rasmussen for JJ?
could consider subbing out 13OA with Nate Danielson

Seider id consider....t

that--' Nowhere close.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Did you know the one problem we don't have is goal scoring wingers? Quite the surplus.

True, but the argument could also be made that McLeod is already our middle 6 defense first centerman and that Cirelli is a bit redundant even if he's the superior player.

 

[DJN21]

That is entirely fair. I have a ton of respect for a lot of the Sabres fans on here for their passion despite the organization giving them very little to be passionate about.

In my personal experience, though, I have seen a lot of incongruity between many fans identifying the issues with the team (of which there seem to be a lot) while simultaneously shooting down most of the hypothetical trade proposals people are making in earnest.

To me, it feels like the conversation around Buffalo is "even though the sum of its parts is poor, the parts that comprise it are super valuable." I get it with guys like Tage Thompson and Dahlin, who are obvious superstar quality players, but you get run out of the room on here for suggesting Buffalo might want to consider trading Alex Tuch for the right offer. Much less Cirelli for Peterka.

Maybe Buffalo does work something out with Peterka, but if they do trade him, I really do not see them getting a better roster player than Cirelli. Someone is about to give Sam Bennett $10 million a year. In his career, he averages the same goals per game as Cirelli (0.23 for Bennett, 0.24 for Cirelli), and fewer points per game than Cirelli (0.49 for Bennett, 0.57 for Cirelli) and is a year older.

All this to say I still do not think Peterka ends up in Tampa, lol.

Id trade peterka for cirelli in a heart beat...id probably add to it as well.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

I would also trade Peterka for Cirelli without much thought, for what it's worth. We need leadership, experience, 2-way play, and C's, and Cirelli checks all those boxes. I think Peterka should have that kind of value, but I do have a hard time imagining TB trading Cirelli without another plan at C.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

That is entirely fair. I have a ton of respect for a lot of the Sabres fans on here for their passion despite the organization giving them very little to be passionate about.

In my personal experience, though, I have seen a lot of incongruity between many fans identifying the issues with the team (of which there seem to be a lot) while simultaneously shooting down most of the hypothetical trade proposals people are making in earnest.

To me, it feels like the conversation around Buffalo is "even though the sum of its parts is poor, the parts that comprise it are super valuable." I get it with guys like Tage Thompson and Dahlin, who are obvious superstar quality players, but you get run out of the room on here for suggesting Buffalo might want to consider trading Alex Tuch for the right offer. Much less Cirelli for Peterka.

Maybe Buffalo does work something out with Peterka, but if they do trade him, I really do not see them getting a better roster player than Cirelli. Someone is about to give Sam Bennett $10 million a year. In his career, he averages the same goals per game as Cirelli (0.23 for Bennett, 0.24 for Cirelli), and fewer points per game than Cirelli (0.49 for Bennett, 0.57 for Cirelli) and is a year older.

All this to say I still do not think Peterka ends up in Tampa, lol.

How does Buffalo trade Tuch and get better? Especially better in the near term.

 

[atlanticobserver]

How does Buffalo trade Tuch and get better? Especially better in the near term.

You're saying there's no package out there that would convince the Sabres to trade him? Especially now that Seravalli has stated he and others are unhappy with the direction of the team? Avalanche traded Rantanen lol. Serious question, how much worse are the Sabres without any of these players? There's not much room to fall and what they are doing now is not working.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

You're saying there's no package out there that would convince the Sabres to trade him? Especially now that Seravalli has stated he and others are unhappy with the direction of the team? Avalanche traded Rantanen lol. Serious question, how much worse are the Sabres without any of these players? There's not much room to fall and what they are doing now is not working.

There are almost certainly good packages for Tuch. But those are going to be for futures unless some other GM loses his mind.

Very few teams get better right away by trading their best players.

It doesn’t exactly seem like trading Rant made Colorado better this year.

 

[SensFactor]

Stutzle and Peterka together should have already happened if not for Dorion passing on Peterka for some no-name player....would be great to have the 2 Germans on the same line.

 

[wonton15]

How does Buffalo trade Tuch and get better? Especially better in the near term.

They probably won’t.

If it comes down to it and he’s not willing to re-sign, they probably boil it down to either the best futures package, or the best player they can get in return. Not an unfamiliar situation for the Sabres in this past decade.

 

[sabremike]

You're saying there's no package out there that would convince the Sabres to trade him? Especially now that Seravalli has stated he and others are unhappy with the direction of the team? Avalanche traded Rantanen lol. Serious question, how much worse are the Sabres without any of these players? There's not much room to fall and what they are doing now is not working.

"Seravalli has stated..."

Yeah, I'd trust that guy about as far as I could throw him.

 

[tsujimoto74]

You're saying there's no package out there that would convince the Sabres to trade him? Especially now that Seravalli has stated he and others are unhappy with the direction of the team? Avalanche traded Rantanen lol. Serious question, how much worse are the Sabres without any of these players? There's not much room to fall and what they are doing now is not working.

Given Seravelli’s track record, I’d take anything he says with a truckload of salt.

 

[Ace]

Many things can be true at once and combining them would be a good place to start before continuing this circular conversation

1. The Sabres have to make major changes

2. The Sabres don’t have a GM capable of making them

3. The Sabres cannot and will not be trading players for futures. Don’t care what you have. They aren’t in a position where they can get younger. We do this every deadline and offseason…and 99% of people ignore it and believe that their futures are going to change that. It never does and you only see player for player (Cozens for Norris, Mittelstadt for Byram) or prospect for player (Savoie for McLeod) trades from Buffalo…who can’t attract UFAs and are on every NTC…limiting what they can do. If your offer isn’t a player without trade protections…no amount of picks and prospects constitutes a reasonable offer for a team that is flat out not going to rebuild and get younger in the sixth year of this failed GM clown show. I don’t care if you agree with it. I don’t care if you think that’s stupid. I don’t even disagree. But it’s what is going to happen so don’t waste the time.

4. Seravelli doesn’t know f***ing anything

 

[Satanphonehome]

I can't see the best offers for Tuch being a hockey trade given his age contract status, and the fact that he's only on the block if he's not interested in re-signing.

Rebuilding teams won't want to invest big assets in a 29-year-old UFA to be, even if it's a sign-and-trade. Contenders won't want to be trading core parts for the same. It's just the reality of the NHL trade market.

You take the futures and hopefully flip them for an asset that helps now.

I'm not sure if HFboards realizes how good Tuch is. I hope NHL GMs do because i think the Sabres will struggle to convince him to re-sign.

 

[atlanticobserver]

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I can't see the best offers for Tuch being a hockey trade given his age contract status, and the fact that he's only on the block if he's not interested in re-signing.

Rebuilding teams won't want to invest big assets in a 29-year-old UFA to be, even if it's a sign-and-trade. Contenders won't want to be trading core parts for the same. It's just the reality of the NHL trade market.

You take the futures and hopefully flip them for an asset that helps now.

I'm not sure if HFboards realizes how good Tuch is. I hope NHL GMs do because i think the Sabres will struggle to convince him to re-sign.

Tuch is a sick player and I’m not even saying Buffalo should trade him. But the close-mindedness is crazy. There are playoff teams that want to make bigger changes than the Sabres. That’s just not going to cut it.

 

[Panthaz89]

some of the cirelli takes in here are bewildering, Tampa is almost certainly not trading him and I would be willing to bet that if he was offered to Buffalo straight up as a one for one for Peterka the deal would be done in a heartbeat

unbelievably useful player coming off of a career season and most of the underlying numbers highlight that he's not just on a shooting heater - he's actually generating quality chances consistently despite getting some of the toughest matchups in the league

yeah I'd totally be looking to move the 23 year old RFA winger who had 27 goals and a 68 points who's more likely to improve if anything. That's totally the guy I wouldn't be even give a thought when trading right now for a guy who isn't even close to a star. Any Sabres fans thinking trading him will do wonders is dreaming until they realize how our wingers look with him gone. Get a real coaching staff that wants to win before trading him in a lateral move to a position the Sabres already have a lot depth at and already have a guy who can play that role. Either he stays or he's being moved for a RD anything else is just shuffling chairs for no reason.