Seravalli: Buffalo may not have a choice but to trade Peterka

[tsujimoto74]

Forgot Norris. Thought Thompson spent more time at RW. Cirelli only played ~100 more mins with Kucherov this year than last. Hagel is the real factor you can point to, but there's no reason he couldn't do basically the same thing with Tuch. For the record, this is the seventh year in a row he will be receiving Selke votes. So I'd go with that being representative of the player he is. A perennial Selke level player who can score 20+ goals and is an elite penalty killer for a terrific cap hit with longterm control.

There are lots of reasons to believe Cirelli is the player he’s shown us he is for the last ~decade and not the miraculously much more productive player he suddenly was this year riding shotgun to Hagel having a career year (and also spending significant time with Kucherov). And if Tampa fans actually thought what he did this season was replicable going forward, I doubt they’d be tying to trade him in every other thread on this board.

 

[Barsky]

For 1 year? Not particularly

He's an unsigned RFA and logically any trade for him is contingent on him signing for more than one year

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Is Cirelli + rights to Isaac Howard not as appealing as Zub?

No, not at all. Not appealing in the slightest

 

[Beerz]

Forgot Norris. Thought Thompson spent more time at RW. Cirelli only played ~100 more mins with Kucherov this year than last. Hagel is the real factor you can point to, but there's no reason he couldn't do basically the same thing with Tuch. For the record, this is the seventh year in a row he will be receiving Selke votes. So I'd go with that being representative of the player he is. A perennial Selke level player who can score 20+ goals and is an elite penalty killer for a terrific cap hit with longterm control.

Not saying Cirelli isn't a good or important player... he fits Tampa really well. He wouldn't fit Buffalo very well. The burden placed on him here in a top 6 role would be 100x's greater in Buffalo as it is in Tampa. He just isn't that type of player.

 

[Beerz]

He's an unsigned RFA and logically any trade for him is contingent on him signing for more than one year

Yeah..but why would he sign in Buffalo? .. Sign a 1 year deal and explore UFA the following year.

 

[atlanticobserver]

There are lots of reasons to believe Cirelli is the player he’s shown us he is for the last ~decade and not the miraculously much more productive player he suddenly was this year riding shotgun to Hagel having a career year (and also spending significant time with Kucherov). And if Tampa fans actually thought what he did this season was replicable going forward, I doubt they’d be tying to trade him in every other thread on this board.

The reason people want Cirelli traded is mostly because the team has no flexibility and all the other major contracts are NMC loaded. On July 1, Cirelli, Hagel, Kucherov, Point, Vasilevskiy, Cernak, Guentzel, and Hedman will all basically be unmovable. The team only has so many good years left and a lot of people think that there needs to be a shakeup. That basically requires Cirelli to go somewhere else in the next 60 days or so. Couple that with the fact that the team is clearly more than a few $800k AAV replacements for 2 or 3 expiring contracts away from winning a Cup, there's no other reason to trade him. He is a great player on a terrific contract on a team that would still be fine at center down the lineup with greater needs. Frankly, he was just snakebitten in a lot of the previous years or buried down the lineup.

 

[atlanticobserver]

Not saying Cirelli isn't a good or important player... he fits Tampa really well. He wouldn't fit Buffalo very well. The burden placed on him here in a top 6 role would be 100x's greater in Buffalo as it is in Tampa. He just isn't that type of player.

Reasonable. I'm not trying to say he would catapult Buffalo into the Cup final or anything but with the amount of space and trade assets they have he would be a piece that would get them closer to where they need to be if they do in fact give up Peterka. Also, with how the bottom 6 has looked for the majority of the past 2-3 seasons, the burden on Cirelli is pretty high, but maybe not as high as it would be in Buffalo.

 

[Barsky]

Yeah..but why would he sign in Buffalo? .. Sign a 1 year deal and explore UFA the following year.

Why would anyone sign in Buffalo by that logic? And why would Adams trade for him if that were the case?

 

[TeamRenzo]

Ottawa had JJ sitting there on a platter to be taken in the 2nd round and would have been a good pick to go with Stutzle as both are Germans, but they take Roby Jarventie instead ! Almost as dumb as picking Tyler Boucher at #10 in 2021 !

Yes, that will sting for a long time but to be fair a lot of teams passed on JJ.

Not all teams have the luxury of drafting 1stOA five times in seven years or whatever it was.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Why would anyone sign in Buffalo by that logic? And why would Adams trade for him if that were the case?

No one will, that's why Buffalo only trades for restricted players who have no control or players under contract without trade protection.

 

[LTIR]

The projections all seem to agree on a $7-8M AAV on a long term deal.

That's not too bad considering projected cap increase. Thanks.

Would look great on Draisaitl's wing in Edmonton but I'm sure 20 other teams would offer more than what Oilers could

 

[Satanphonehome]

Obviously not just Howard. Probably Cirelli and Howard if you ask me. I don't think that should be too far off value wise. Buffalo wants a proven NHL player and get that in Cirelli, a Selke trophy nominee. They also expressed interest in Howard at TDL reportedly but TB didn't want to part ways with him. Maybe throw a second or third back to TB since Buffalo's cupboards are loaded. Fair?

I was just about to post that Cirelli and Cernak are two pieces that should get Buffalo’s attention in a Peterka offer.

I wouldn’t get too bogged down on the Sabre centre situation.

Management has consistently talked about being happy with having multiple pieces who can play centre and wing. Thompson, Kulich, Krebs and McLeod can all play wing comfortably.

What’s more relevant is their desire to add players who are structured an defensively responsible, and Cirelli is exactly that. Buffalo will take a hit on offence to add defence.

Buffalo really has no need for Howard given their pipeline, but given their love for USNDTP and Tampa’s roster realities, he’s a player they’d probably take as a sweetener.

 

[MoneyManny]

Not correct - Josh Rosen was the consensus pick by Bills media and fandom. Their GM took Allen, and immediately had to defend himself against the mob.

Jackson wasn't really a consideration after the Bills traded up to 7th - maybe if they stayed at 22, but not 7

Wow i totally forgot about that guy haha.

 

[Satanphonehome]

I am shocked by the pushback against Cirelli from Sabre fans.

Peterka absolutely is more talented. But lack of talent isn’t really buffalo’s problem, it’s lack of what Cirelli brings.

And the fact that the Sabres would be acquiring a young vet on a long-term affordable deal can’t be discounted.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

If the Leafs had an extra rhd I'd do Carlo as a basis for him but unfortunately we do not.

 

[BHawk21]

To Buffalo- Rossi
To Minnesota- Oliver Moore + Chicago 2nd?
To Chicago- Peterka

Dont know why Minenesota would want futures but not sure why Minnesota wants out of Rossi so

 

[Beerz]

I am shocked by the pushback against Cirelli from Sabre fans.

Peterka absolutely is more talented. But lack of talent isn’t really buffalo’s problem, it’s lack of what Cirelli brings.

And the fact that the Sabres would be acquiring a young vet on a long-term affordable deal can’t be discounted.

It is lack of credible top 6 Centers as far as forwards go. You can believe Cirelli can perform like he did on Tampa last year here. I'm not.

 

[BHawk21]

It is lack of credible top 6 Centers as far as forwards go. You can believe Cirelli can perform like he did on Tampa last year here. I'm not.

Your not getting a 1st line center by trading Peterka tho. Sabres are going to have to draft one of those. Maybe Kulich or the 9th overall is it.

 

[Beerz]

Your not getting a 1st line center by trading Peterka tho. Sabres are going to have to draft one of those.

I didn't say we were.

 

[Satanphonehome]

It is lack of credible top 6 Centers as far as forwards go. You can believe Cirelli can perform like he did on Tampa last year here. I'm not.

One could say the same about McLeod, but that's not my point at all.

I'm not making the trade counting on Cirelli to score 60 points, I'm making it it to have him on the ice to help prevent the type of lead-blowing collapses that caused the Sabres to miss the playoffs last year.

 

[BHawk21]

I didn't say we were.

Your asking for credible top 6 center and saying no to a 59 point selke finalist center whos been given the toughest matchups for a stanley cup team only getting 18 min a night. Put him at 20 min and some PP you may get Larkin light.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I'd gladly swap Peterka for Cirelli. He'd block it via NMC.

 

[Chainshot]

I'd gladly swap Peterka for Cirelli. He'd block it via NMC.

He doesn't have trade protection until what, July 1st of this summer? After that, he has his full NTC for 2 years, then modified to a 16-team one for the rest of the seasons.

 

[CowbellConray]

Wow i totally forgot about that guy haha.

"There are 11 mistakes before me" lolololol

 

[Beerz]

One could say the same about McLeod, but that's not my point at all.

I'm not making the trade counting on Cirelli to score 60 points, I'm making it it to have him on the ice to help prevent the type of lead-blowing collapses that caused the Sabres to miss the playoffs last year.

Sabres blew a total of 7 3rd period leads last year... Tampa blew 4.

I have no problem adding Cirelli.. I'm not counting on him as a 2C. I see no reason to part with Peterka for him however.