Proposal: Buffalo and Seattle in offseason

[CowbellConray]

The plan was to move Clifton as part of a package to bring in Kesselring, who is an upgrade on Clifton and makes 1.4M next year and is an RFA at the end. The deal would save $1.7 which when you account for the other deal here evens out the cash (I think Buffalo takes on maybe 500K). And that's without retention which could be a discussion.

McCann has two years, and if the Sabres are a playoff team I think he would clearly sign her if he makes the impact. Short sighted, potentially, but Rosen tops out as a Jared McCann player. Quinn tops out as a McCann level player. You are trading for a sure fire 2nd line LW, which we cannot say Quinn or Rosen are. I like both players, but these are the types of moves you need to make to fill out a roster to have a chance at making the postseason.

Lafferty has shown nothing more than a minor ability to be a 4th line player. And that has only been for the past 15 games, prior to that he was useless and at $2M you can find a cheaper option (Eyssimont from Seattle will be a UFA and bring the exact same impact if not more). McCann can PK better than Lafferty, and score better than Quinn. Plug a cheap UFA on the 4th line or play Kozak there full time and worry about the Top 6 where 1) you need more ES scoring and 2) You need better forward defense. McCann does that

If we wait until 2026 deadline, we are out of the playoff picture

 

[TageGod]

I personally do not think Quinn's current value is worth selling him. Byram for McCann is a dream for the Sabres I think. We are not moving Kulich this year, he is solid and cheap.

 

[qcal1427]

No. They aren't trading a young C in kulich for a 2 yr rental winger who likely is gone before they are a serious cup contender.

They need to improve on the D side and the PP

They need legit top of the lineup talent at every position and not the promise and potential of yet another skilled but undersized forward prospect. Before they even think about being a serious cup contender they need to make the playoffs and McCann is a very good player who will help them achieve that goal more than Kulich.

 

[CowbellConray]

They need legit top of the lineup talent at every position and not the promise and potential of yet another skilled but undersized forward prospect. Before they even think about being a serious cup contender they need to make the playoffs and McCann is a very good player who will help them achieve that goal more than Kulich.

Kulich would be a hard sell for me IF I could make Quinn/Rosen/pick work in its place. But if Seattle was saying we could do Kulich for McCann and I had another deal for a 3C, I'd consider it.

 

[Fuhrious]

I love how there is like one Seattle supporter reply in two pages, entirely because every time our team is mentioned in this subforum it’s “here’s a bunch of dogs covered in fleas for one of your best players on a super reasonable cap hit” followed by post after post of “your guy honestly sucks anyway I’m not even sure why we want him”.

 

[CowbellConray]

I love how there is like one Seattle supporter reply in two pages, entirely because every time our team is mentioned in this subforum it’s “here’s a bunch of dogs covered in fleas for one of your best players on a super reasonable cap hit” followed by post after post of “your guy honestly sucks anyway I’m not even sure why we want him”.

I mean, I specifically asked for Seattle fans feedback as the OP.... Can't know what Seatlle needs/wants if nobody responds...

 

[Fuhrious]

I mean, I specifically asked for Seattle fans feedback as the OP.... Can't know what Seatlle needs/wants if nobody responds...

It’s dogshit, man… and I think you know that. Why would Seattle trade one of their few “good” forwards on a super team-friendly deal for two RFA’s your non-playoff team isn’t interested in re-signing probably because of the various fleas you yourself acknowledge them having in the OP? Because you added in a 4th round pick?

I wonder why none of us Kraken supporters could be assed to respond to that. It’s a real mystery.

 

[andora]

Its not a value if you don't have the cap space.

With 2 yrs left hes in more rental area. He's not returning what you are offerening.

Not trading Quinn for a 2 yr rental player. You want to move both him snd Rosen. WTF.


JBD is arbitration eligible. I expect more than s million. Levi too if he's not in Rochester.

How much are you thinking the other RFAs are making?

Buffalo has to do cap neutral trades.

His cap is $5M, the other 3 are $3M. Thag leaves you with about $16M at best for byram, apeterka. And McLeod. The 3 will cost more than tjat.

Your plan is short-sighted.

With Savoie we moved him for a young player with more team control. Not a 2 yr rental which this person is.
Moving Clifton means another hole to fill.

Last time I checked, lafferty can play center, he's a PKer. And he has speed.

You also need to replace them with roster players

Sure, if Buffalo trades or doesn't an OS on peterka then that is different.

I would not trade both Rosen and quinn for him.

You acquire him at the 36 deadline he returns a protected 1st/2nd and 1-2 other pieces

Not going into details but this is the line of thinking that keeps them in the basement

 

[CowbellConray]

It’s dogshit, man… and I think you know that. Why would Seattle trade one of their few “good” forwards on a super team-friendly deal for two RFA’s your non-playoff team isn’t interested in re-signing probably because of the various fleas you yourself acknowledge them having in the OP? Because you added in a 4th round pick?

I wonder why none of us Kraken supporters could be assed to respond to that. It’s a real mystery.

How am I supposed to know what's dogshit and what's not if not a single person responds to a genuine inquiry? I also adjusted based on the neutral fans who responded to the initial posts (maybe because they are kind or something IDK) and I updated the offer to Quinn + Rosen + 2025 2nd round pick

Be as unkind as you wish, heaven forbid I try to understand something on a message board focusing on trade offers and proposals... You didnt have to respond to the post at all but you came in smug about it and then blame me for it being an issue to you, when you didnt have to respond at all if you didnt want to deal with someone I guess disrespecting Jared McCann's value? Cool dude you are.

Edit: and now doesn’t respond but just puts an emoji. Very… Seattle of you

 

[Djp]

Not going into details but this is the line of thinking that keeps them in the basement

That type of plan hurts a team long term selling off their very good talent who has 10+ yrs ahead of them for short term 2 yr period just to make the playoffs and not be contenders.

 

[andora]

That type of plan hurts a team long term selling off their very good talent who has 10+ yrs ahead of them for short term 2 yr period just to make the playoffs and not be contenders.

 

[Panthaz89]

It’s dogshit, man… and I think you know that. Why would Seattle trade one of their few “good” forwards on a super team-friendly deal for two RFA’s your non-playoff team isn’t interested in re-signing probably because of the various fleas you yourself acknowledge them having in the OP? Because you added in a 4th round pick?

I wonder why none of us Kraken supporters could be assed to respond to that. It’s a real mystery.

Clearly don't know Jack Quinn that well...don't care what some random fans think I'm sure GMs have a relatively high price on him around the league regardless of a disappointing start this season.

 

[Fuhrious]

Clearly don't know Jack Quinn that well...don't care what some random fans think I'm sure GMs have a relatively high price on him around the league regardless of a disappointing start this season.

Cool story, I’m sure that’s why the season is about to end and your team hasn’t resigned him and is maybe throwing around $2.5m per “show me” bridge deals. I’m sure other GMs are foaming at the mouth to roll those specific dice.

 

[Panthaz89]

Cool story, I’m sure that’s why the season is about to end and your team hasn’t resigned him and is maybe throwing around $2.5m per “show me” bridge deals. I’m sure other GMs are foaming at the mouth to roll those specific dice.

This is pretty funny considering the McCann was just left exposed like 4 years ago guess he's dog too then since he was 24? I wasn't aware Quinn's career was over already at 23 guess he should just call it then.

 

[MagnumForce2]

Kulich won’t get moved nor will Ostlund. Quinn and Rosen or Byram would be the more likely scenario in this trade proposal.

 

[Djp]

Cool story, I’m sure that’s why the season is about to end and your team hasn’t resigned him and is maybe throwing around $2.5m per “show me” bridge deals. I’m sure other GMs are foaming at the mouth to roll those specific dice.

Most teams don't re-sign ELCs until the offsesson.

I've said before Quinn is a candidate for an OS like broberg.

He got AHL ROY in his 19 yr old season.
Decent rookie year

Last year he had an scheles injury thst takes 2 yrs to fully recover from
Thus year he had a slump to start the season but finished season sr a 0.5 ppg Rate

 

[is the answer jesus]

It’s dogshit, man… and I think you know that. Why would Seattle trade one of their few “good” forwards on a super team-friendly deal for two RFA’s your non-playoff team isn’t interested in re-signing probably because of the various fleas you yourself acknowledge them having in the OP? Because you added in a 4th round pick?

I wonder why none of us Kraken supporters could be assed to respond to that. It’s a real mystery.

Yeah that's certainly not the case for Quinn and probably not for Johnson either. I don't even particularly like Quinn as a player based on what hes shown at the NHL level but he's still got a fair amount of upside and Buffalo will absolutely hope to keep him in the fold on a cheap deal and hope he develops. Johnson has been a mixed bag, he's looked good at times and overwhelmed at others. He's a depth defenseman at this point. I could see a team taking a chance on him as a #7 and hoping he establishes himself. I do agree the initial offer for the Kraken is underwhelming, but it has been adjusted accordingly as discussions have occurred.

 

[BB79]

How's his defense? Because Buffalo is fine with offense, 9th in the league in goals for, more than Edmonton, Florida and tied with Toronto. It's goals against that kills this team. The only teams worse are Pittsburgh, Chicago and SJ.

 

[Dead Coyote]

How's his defense? Because Buffalo is fine with offense, 9th in the league in goals for, more than Edmonton, Florida and tied with Toronto. It's goals against that kills this team. The only teams worse are Pittsburgh, Chicago and SJ.

He's perfectly serviceable defensively. Not bad, not amazing. Somewhere in the middle.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

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