Confirmed Trade: [BUF/WSH] Beck Malenstyn for 2024 2nd round pick (43OA)

[benfranklin]

gotta take some swings man we can't all just circumvent the cap rules.....

A. Sure you can
B. What swing lol
C. Dont quickly judge avatars. Avs fan here.

 

[DJN21]

A. Sure you can
B. What swing lol
C. Dont quickly judge avatars. Avs fan here.

A. We already did? and kinda like the player
B.Swinging on a trade instead of hoarding picks
C. Get a better avatar then

 

[Lunatik]

A. Sure you can
B. What swing lol
C. Dont quickly judge avatars. Avs fan here.

D. Don't judge on usenames either. The real Ben Franklin is a better poster, and he's been dead more than 200 years and has never saw a game of hockey

 

[toddkaz]

What was the point of this trade? He’s playing like 9 minutes a night. And that pick got the Caps Hutson.

I said the same thing. Awful trade by Adams. Buchnevich was traded for a 2nd,

Adams is awful.

 

[Holtbyisms]

Beck Malenstyn will be a trivia question answer one day on what the Capitals did to aquire perennial all-star defender Cole Hutson.

 

[toddkaz]

Do you think so?
43th overall is high risk territory. I've just had a look at recent 43th overalls and the result is about as underwhelming as expected. There's the odd gem like Dylan Samberg but also lots of busts. Beck Malenstyn is a player. He's a very good 4th liner. He's a reliable shutdown/two way forward and excellent penalty killer.

I think people tend to overrate draft picks. From a certain point (which varies from year to year) a draft pick really is nothing more than an additional lottery ticket. If you can get an actual NHL player you like for a lottery ticket you usually wanna do it.

I'm not saying the Caps are gonna lose the trade but we shouldn't declare them the winners ahead of Hutson playing a single NHL game.

Dude it was an awful trade. Sabres are even worse this year than last year. The 2nd should have been used to get defense that Adams has ignored for years.

Who trades a 2nd for a 4th line player thats not physical and brings nothing special. Answer? Kevyn Adams.

 

[toddkaz]

Its the same as the McLeod trade.

Take that 2nd and Savoie and a 1st and you got yourself a first line player.

Savioe for McLoed was just as bad. McLoed is not a bad player but he should have not costed Matthew Savoie

 

[Hinterland]

Dude it was an awful trade. Sabres are even worse this year than last year. The 2nd should have been used to get defense that Adams has ignored for years.

Who trades a 2nd for a 4th line player thats not physical and brings nothing special. Answer? Kevyn Adams.

Malenstyn is plenty physical. Among Sabres regulars he's nr.3 in hits per game behind Greenway and Clifton only but those two are playing 5mins more per game.

And again. 43th overall is high risk territory. Lots of busts among 43th overalls and I'm not gonna lose my mind over Hutson scoring a few points vs kids. I'll be impressed if he does the same vs men while also being able to hold his own physically.

 

[toddkaz]

Malenstyn is plenty physical. Among Sabres regulars he's nr.3 in hits per game behind Greenway and Clifton only but those two are playing 5mins more per game.

 

[Drake1588]

Malenstyn was a nice WHL player who steadily improved to become a useful Capital. The Sabres did well to identify him as someone who could help any NHL team. Malenstyn went from being a serviceable checking forward for the Hitmen for a little over four seasons, to emerge as a solid checking forward for an excellent Hershey AHL team, and improved from NHL/AHL tweener to solid NHL fourth liner.

Where I think it gets muddy is in gauging the value of a player like that. He might improve further to serve as a fair third liner, but this is probably what he is going to be -- and a fourth liner is replaceable. You should be able to 1) develop these players yourself, or at worst, 2) sign replacements on the free agent market.

The Caps valued him but the 43rd pick is too good an asset when stacked up against the very real offensive limitations that come with Malenstyn. They retained their excellent fourth-line pivot, Nic Dowd, who really moved the needle on that line. They let their fourth-line wingers go, replaced them with Duhaime and Raddysh, and used the pick on Hutson, a player with real upside owing to skill, and if you like, bloodlines to boot. Their rebuilt fourth line is still very good.

I'm tempted to say this is a trade that helped both teams, which it did, but it's also true that the Sabres paid too high a price. The question isn't whether this is a good player, because Malenstyn clearly is a good player. The issue was the wisdom of surrendering a pretty high second rounder to land a fourth liner developed elsewhere. You have to be able to develop these sorts of players within your own organization, or you will always be playing catchup. At the end of the day, I think Adams was feeling the pressure to improve immediately, in a market tired of rebuilding. The Sabres sacrificed some draft capital to land a player patiently developed by someone else who could step in immediately. Fair enough.

 

[Sensatauro]

Its the same as the McLeod trade.

Take that 2nd and Savoie and a 1st and you got yourself a first line player.

Savioe for McLoed was just as bad. McLoed is not a bad player but he should have not costed Matthew Savoie

McLeod > Savoie. Career will paint this picture a true statement

 

[Hinterland]

Malenstyn was a nice WHL player who steadily improved to become a useful Capital. The Sabres did well to identify him as someone who could help any NHL team. Malenstyn went from being a serviceable checking forward for the Hitmen for a little over four seasons, to emerge as a solid checking forward for an excellent Hershey AHL team, and improved from NHL/AHL tweener to solid NHL fourth liner.

Where I think it gets muddy is in gauging the value of a player like that. He might improve further to serve as a fair third liner, but this is probably what he is going to be -- and a fourth liner is replaceable. You should be able to 1) develop these players yourself, or at worst, 2) sign replacements on the free agent market.

The Caps valued him but the 43rd pick is too good an asset when stacked up against the very real offensive limitations that come with Malenstyn. They retained their excellent fourth-line pivot, Nic Dowd, who really moved the needle on that line. They let their fourth-line wingers go, replaced them with Duhaime and Raddysh, and used the pick on Hutson, a player with real upside owing to skill, and if you like, bloodlines to boot. Their rebuilt fourth line is still very good.

I'm tempted to say this is a trade that helped both teams, which it did, but it's also true that the Sabres paid too high a price. The question isn't whether this is a good player, because Malenstyn clearly is a good player. The issue was the wisdom of surrendering a pretty high second rounder to land a fourth liner developed elsewhere. You have to be able to develop these sorts of players within your own organization, or you will always be playing catchup. At the end of the day, I think Adams was feeling the pressure to improve immediately, in a market tired of rebuilding. The Sabres sacrificed some draft capital to land a player patiently developed by someone else who could step in immediately. Fair enough.

Again. The 43th pick isn't a high pick. It's high risk territory with lots of busts and very few gems drafted in that spot. Cole Hutson may look promising but a WJC20 tournament isn't the same as NHL or even AHL. He wouldn't be the first player to dominate at the WJC20 but absolutely suck playing vs men.

Bit of an overreaction here. This one can still go both ways. And even if it does work out for the Caps there's no guarantee the Sabres would have drafted the same player with that pick.

43th pick for an actual very useful NHL player isn't usually a bad trade.

 

[EXTRAS]

Get a guy who plays hard & physical and hope the culture spreads to the rest of the team?

 

[Rschmitz]

Avs got Colton from the Bolts for a later pick. RFA and exact same age but good for 20g and 40 points from the third line.


Nice trade Sabres

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Avs got Colton from the Bolts for a later pick. RFA and exact same age but good for 20g and 40 points from the third line.


Nice trade Sabres

Caps werent in a cap crunch.

 

[EXTRAS]

Avs got Colton from the Bolts for a later pick. RFA and exact same age but good for 20g and 40 points from the third line.


Nice trade Sabres

Colton was also traded for a 2nd. He also wanted 4m per. Beck makes 1.3m per for this year and next.

 

[Djp]

Do you think so?
43th overall is high risk territory. I've just had a look at recent 43th overalls and the result is about as underwhelming as expected. There's the odd gem like Dylan Samberg but also lots of busts. Beck Malenstyn is a player. He's a very good 4th liner. He's a reliable shutdown/two way forward and excellent penalty killer.

I think people tend to overrate draft picks. From a certain point (which varies from year to year) a draft pick really is nothing more than an additional lottery ticket. If you can get an actual NHL player you like for a lottery ticket you usually wanna do it.

I'm not saying the Caps are gonna lose the trade but we shouldn't declare them the winners ahead of Hutson playing a single NHL game.

Again. The 43th pick isn't a high pick. It's high risk territory with lots of busts and very few gems drafted in that spot. Cole Hutson may look promising but a WJC20 tournament isn't the same as NHL or even AHL. He wouldn't be the first player to dominate at the WJC20 but absolutely suck playing vs men.

Bit of an overreaction here. This one can still go both ways. And even if it does work out for the Caps there's no guarantee the Sabres would have drafted the same player with that pick.

43th pick for an actual very useful NHL player isn't usually a bad trade.

I agree

People on here seriously overvalue picks roughly 25-55 claiming these players are studs/ stars but it's very rare.

Over half dont see the nhl beyond 20 games let alone er 100 games, and many of those who make it over 100, I consider them replacement level players that will get replaced by not getting a QO and they go with the next prospect

About only about 2-3 a draft in that pick range become an above replacement player


What's also forgotten here is....

before the draft Buffalo traded down in the 1st with San Jose from 11 to 14 ( pittsburgh pick acquired) and 42 (10th in 2nd from New jersey)

Buffalo had 42 and their own at 43.

In sabres eyes It was...

11 and 43 for 14. 42, and Malenstyn

You could question the value, but buffalo targetted a player to change their bottom 6 from last year

On sabres board folks complain he wasnt making trades, then he does , and they still complain, its no win

They traded for McLeod because they wanted a bottom 6 center who has speed and can win draws. They traded a high prospect who I think had a falling out with the club and appears to have dropped down the prospect depth chart after the 24 draft.

Going into this season they had ELCs benson, quinn, peters on the big club at Forward and in the recent drafts they had Rosen, ostlund, kulich, wahlberg, helenius, and a few others. So they had depth

Reason I think there was a falling out'--- in camp for 22/23 Savoie to WHL was one of the last moves made before start.last season you had him and brnson in camp latr into it. Savoie got hurt in camp and went on IR while benson played still deciding on the 9 game try out. Later savoie comes back from injury. He does a short rehab in the A and is dressed for ga game with the Sabres but only does 2-4 shifts for a few minutes and next day sent back to WHL.

I think stuff had been ssid that has not yet been reported which is why he was the one to get traded. It either was in the es rrg ly part of last season snd/ or near the end of last season.

 

[SundherDome]

I was happy then and happy now with the trade. We traded down 3 picks in the first and still selected the player we wanted.

Look in a different lense, Malenstyn and Helenius for moving back three spots.

We can be happy we acquired a good bottom 6 player who plays the game we need more of. The Caps didn't want to trade him but they would if they got the right offer, which they did.

 

[HTFN]

Again. The 43th pick isn't a high pick. It's high risk territory with lots of busts and very few gems drafted in that spot. Cole Hutson may look promising but a WJC20 tournament isn't the same as NHL or even AHL. He wouldn't be the first player to dominate at the WJC20 but absolutely suck playing vs men.

Bit of an overreaction here. This one can still go both ways. And even if it does work out for the Caps there's no guarantee the Sabres would have drafted the same player with that pick.

43th pick for an actual very useful NHL player isn't usually a bad trade.

It's a lot higher than you should expect to get a Malenstyn, who went 145th overall, and that's exactly the point.

The Caps went through a weird phase with this in the mid-2010's where they kept taking guys who could be role players way earlier than necessary and weren't driving towards booming development, this is the same deal.

Their whole point is that the Sabres should be well capable of getting the same role players, because that's how great teams operate.

 

[Random schmoe]

Very glad Beck is playing well for the Sabres and filling a critical need. Obviously only time will tell, a couple years, but this looks like a potential win-win trade.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

gotta take some swings man we can't all just circumvent the cap rules.....

Beck Malenstyn for a 2nd isn't a swing that's just a really bad deal.

 

[Hinterland]

Beck Malenstyn for a 2nd isn't a swing that's just a really bad deal.

Why though? Malenstyn is a very useful NHL role guy. In a good draft sometimes you get to pick more or less safe prospects in the early parts of the 2nd round but looking at previous 43th overalls that's well inside the danger zone where you end up picking busts quite often...probably even more often than not. Historically, what are the odds of a 43th busting? I don't know but my guess would be north of 50%. So again. A 43th overall is just another lottery ticket, Beck Malenstyn is a player.

 

[toddkaz]

McLeod > Savoie. Career will paint this picture a true statement

wow got the lottery numbers?

 

[Dr Quincy]

Again. The 43th pick isn't a high pick. It's high risk territory with lots of busts and very few gems drafted in that spot. Cole Hutson may look promising but a WJC20 tournament isn't the same as NHL or even AHL. He wouldn't be the first player to dominate at the WJC20 but absolutely suck playing vs men.

Bit of an overreaction here. This one can still go both ways. And even if it does work out for the Caps there's no guarantee the Sabres would have drafted the same player with that pick.

43th pick for an actual very useful NHL player isn't usually a bad trade.

Why pay anything for a completely fungible type of player, the ilk of which you can claim every year off waivers?

And whether the pick is high risk or not, that's not the point. Perhaps there are better players available for pick 43 or for the prospect that you pick there.

Earlier in that draft the Sabres acquired pick 42 for moving down from 11 to 14. They essentially moved down 3 spots in the upper half of the first round for a 4th liner. That's not good value.

The value of a draft pick is partly what you yourself can draft with it, but also what it can fetch from others on the market.

 

[DJN21]

Why pay anything for a completely fungible type of player, the ilk of which you can claim every year off waivers?

And whether the pick is high risk or not, that's not the point. Perhaps there are better players available for pick 43 or for the prospect that you pick there.

Earlier in that draft the Sabres acquired pick 42 for moving down from 11 to 14. They essentially moved down 3 spots in the upper half of the first round for a 4th liner. That's not good value.

The value of a draft pick is partly what you yourself can draft with it, but also what it can fetch from others on the market.

Youre fungible!!!