Confirmed Trade: [BUF/EDM] Ryan McLeod and Tyler Tullio for Matt Savoie

[Empoleon8771]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

 

[belair]

Let's also note that McLeod is now an impending RFA coming off a season where he's shooting 21%. About twice his career average.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

Sabres fans being satisfied that they got exactly what they traded for after getting ripped is tone deaf? Were any Sabres fans in here under the impression they were getting McDavid?

 

[Uberpecker]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

Weird opinion. I don't see anyone bragging just all of one posting putting the hyperbole of an earlier clearly premature and vitriolic comparison into perspective.
Like it or not, McLeod for Savoie looks like a good trade for the Sabres at this point in time and it's not really debatable unless you have an agenda.

 

[wetcoast]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

Man the trade is what it was and at the time i thought it was a good one for both teams possibly and McLeod has delivered.

The rest of the Sabers being collectively shitty has nothing to do with the trade so saying that evaluating Mcleod is tone deaf is just weird.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

Seems like a solid trade to me. Unless your point is they should be trying to finish worse than 4th last, in which case McLeod is a liability?

 

[truthbluth]

Maybe he’s implying that Sabres fans aren’t allowed to be happy about anything because the team sucks? I mean I guess, but this trade looks a lot better now than when it happened. I do agree that shooting 20% in a contract year is less than ideal, and I anticipate McLeod taking the Sabres to arbitration. Still rather have that problem than the one where we don’t have a single defensively responsible center on the roster, let alone one on pace for 50 points, only 1 assist of which came on the PP.

 

[LTIR]

McLeod was a good pickup for the Sabers. Criticism that they gave up a bluechip prospect for a 4th liner can be put to rest.
Sabers didn't have cap issues like the Oilers and Oilers didn't have a prospect like Savoie.
Worked out well for both sides..
If there were no cap constraints Oilers could've kept McLeod on the 4th line.

 

[Djp]

Since some people including media members likened this trade to Forsberg for Erat….Erat being a diminishing 30+ year old winger who would be healthy scratched and year later…

What player would Savoie, in the AHL in his draft plus three season, need to turn into to make that comparison work when McLeod is a 25 year old 50 point defensive center?

Peter Forsberg?

I prefer using ages based on draft year. He was 18 drafted in 2018 making this yr his 24 yr old season

The Erat comparisons were dumb.

Let's also note that McLeod is now an impending RFA coming off a season where he's shooting 21%. About twice his career average.

Let's look as where he scored from.

Some of them were ENs. Some were break away or 2 on 1s. Others where inside the high scoring are in the trzprxoid between face off dots and net.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

One Sabres fan said he has been excellent (he has), and said the trade could really be a win win for both teams.

Not really tone deaf bragging? Unless it was posts by someone on my ignored list…which also speaks for itself!

 

[belair]

Let's look as where he scored from.

Some of them were ENs. Some were break away or 2 on 1s. Others where inside the high scoring are in the trzprxoid between face off dots and net.

I don't think that'll matter when it comes to what his next cap number is gonna be.

 

[OkimLom]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

Are Sabres fans really bragging, or are they just happy that a trade worked out? Are fans of bad teams not allowed to enjoy good players, or players playing well on their team?

 

[Oilslick941611]

McLeod has been everything we wanted when we moved for him. He is excellent, love this guy.

could work out for both teams

Yeah, hes thriving in the low pressure environment of the Sabres.

Some players are more suited for less pressure. McLeod is a good player, has great moments and fantastic speed. Hes not someone you want to be relying on in the playoffs though as he has no physicality, peels off board contact and doesn't perform under pressure very well.

Im not sure we effectively replaced him in a manner befitting a contender, or a team with cup aspirations, I certainly thought we'd seen more of Savoie in the NHL this year, but by all accounts he's doing very well in the AHL.

But given it was an offseason trade and there was opportunity to bring in a more effective replacement, i still would do this trade again because at the end of the day i don't miss McLeod at all on the team.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Are Sabres fans really bragging, or are they just happy that a trade worked out? Are fans of bad teams not allowed to enjoy good players, or players playing well on their team?

This.

McLoed isn't a player you want on a contender, however on a team with no playoff hopes and no pressure when games are hard to get up for, you tend to like the guys who show up every night and give it their all. I remember 2007-2015 very well, Fans need players like this on teams like Buffalo.

 

[Djp]

Look I have no dog in this fight, but Sabres fans bragging that McLeod has been a good middle-6 center for them after they traded Savoie for him and as they're the 4th worst team in hockey seems a little tone deaf to me.

So you seem to have no understanding of things.

Hes been very good in the middle 6 role with some PP time and PK t I'm me.

The Sabres season has been an odd one. They seem tu o play to the level of their competition.

They are neR thr top of the league in...
-- scoring in 5 on 5
-- first period scoring

They have been poor in PP being bottom 5

They are something like 4-8-3 in gsmed tied entering the 3rd. They gave a poor OT/SO record

75% of the games they L in regulstion/OT/SO they either led, tied, down by the one in 3rd

Difference with the 90 pt team a few yrs ago is the PP where they were top 10. They have a top 10 pp this yr many of these close games would have gotten them pts they missed on

Last season, adv metrics were near the same as tampa except for PP and PK


They are 17 behind Ottawa so small m.j argins they easily could be in a WC spot

 

[CycloneSweep]

This is a trade that still hasn’t played out yet. It’s still a win for Buffalo until Savoie proves otherwise

 

[TS Quint]

I don’t think many people had McLeod down for 50 points. On that side of the equation it seems like a win for the Sabres.

Savoie, seems like what the Sabres thought they were giving up. An undersized, skilled forward who has some growing to do before he becomes a NHL player. I think the Sabres and the Oilers probably had different opinions on what Savoie as a finished product will look like. It will be interesting to see who had the better scouts in this case.

 

[MS]

This trade has been highway robbery for Buffalo and I'm amazed that anyone could think otherwise. They managed to sell high on a B prospect's high draft position and turned it into a 25 y/o two-way 2C.

 

[OkimLom]

This.

McLoed isn't a player you want on a contender, however on a team with no playoff hopes and no pressure when games are hard to get up for, you tend to like the guys who show up every night and give it their all. I remember 2007-2015 very well, Fans need players like this on teams like Buffalo.

I didn't watch enough Oilers games in the past to get a gist of Mcleod's Overall game to get a sense if he was a consistent player, or the level of play he was playing there, but I can say as a Buffalo fan, he's played pretty well for a middle 6 player in general, and has been highly consistent if not Buffalo's most consistent player (not exactly a Flex, I can assure you). I think he can be a guy that could be on a contender (would've made a great target for a team like Toronto at the TDL IMO). He's shown himself, at the very least to be a guy that CAN fill in important roles on a team (for example a PK).

Now it could be that there's a difference in strategies, and maybe it has to do with the players he's paired with that he has pretty good chemistry with (Tuch, Greenway), but he's played himself into a role and spot I feel is partially filled for the foreseeable future.

 

[MS]

This.

McLoed isn't a player you want on a contender, however on a team with no playoff hopes and no pressure when games are hard to get up for, you tend to like the guys who show up every night and give it their all. I remember 2007-2015 very well, Fans need players like this on teams like Buffalo.

Edmonton are literally dressing 8 forwards worse than Ryan McLeod every single game.

Also McLeod's PK work is sorely missed in Edmonton. Weird thing to say that fast two-way players aren't needed on contending teams.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I didn't watch enough Oilers games in the past to get a gist of Mcleod's Overall game to get a sense if he was a consistent player, or the level of play he was playing there, but I can say as a Buffalo fan, he's played pretty well for a middle 6 player in general, and has been highly consistent if not Buffalo's most consistent player (not exactly a Flex, I can assure you). I think he can be a guy that could be on a contender (would've made a great target for a team like Toronto at the TDL IMO). He's shown himself, at the very least to be a guy that CAN fill in important roles on a team (for example a PK).

Now it could be that there's a difference in strategies, and maybe it has to do with the players he's paired with that he has pretty good chemistry with (Tuch, Greenway), but he's played himself into a role and spot I feel is partially filled for the foreseeable future.

It’s the situation. Different players play better in different situations.

 

[PAZ]

It’s the situation. Different players play better in different situations.

It also boils down to opportunity.

McLeod, Broberg, and Holloway all got bigger roles and more responsibility after being traded. They were put into positions to succeed and were given a fairly long leash.

And they all paid off. I think it’s fair to say that there’s a chance they don’t develop with the Oilers and needed a change of scenery, but when all of them instantly get better when they leave… it’s a sign that they didn’t get the proper support.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Let's also note that McLeod is now an impending RFA coming off a season where he's shooting 21%. About twice his career average.

Also arbitration eligible, coming off a 'show-me' deal, and the Sabres have been playing him 20 mins per game for the last 2 months. He's going to get the bag.

 

[NeverForget06]

Edmonton are literally dressing 8 forwards worse than Ryan McLeod every single game.

Also McLeod's PK work is sorely missed in Edmonton. Weird thing to say that fast two-way players aren't needed on contending teams.

I agree with what you say, but it all comes down to playoffs at the end of the day. Mcleod really struggled when the going got tough, especially in the cup final.

It's great to play well when your shooting percentage is 22% on a Sabres team that is miles away from contention and has been for a while. Different thing to do it in the playoffs when there is no space, the whistles are away and the pressure is on.

 

[truthbluth]

I agree with what you say, but it all comes down to playoffs at the end of the day. Mcleod really struggled when the going got tough, especially in the cup final.

It's great to play well when your shooting percentage is 22% on a Sabres team that is miles away from contention and has been for a while. Different thing to do it in the playoffs when there is no space, the whistles are away and the pressure is on.

Famously, bad players score a lot on bad teams, without being gifted PP time or o zone faceoffs because goals are democratically assigned rather than being earned.