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Value of: Bryan Rust

SomeDude said:
I never said a mediocre return. I think he has pretty good value. He will have mediocre value by the time age hits him, though. He is the type of player whose game falls off a cliff all of a sudden. It could be next year, it could be in 3 years, but eventually he’s going to be a shell of himself.

Hence the concept of cashing out now.
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My bad. I just assumed that with the "cash out" phrasing and Gurg's proposal.

I'm fine with moving out one of Rust or Rakell but unless someone knocks our socks off it'd be good to retain one of them. They both offer a lot at their cap hit, and there's something to be said for retaining a quality vet winger to ease the transition for the kids both in terms of provding a good role model and not throwing them in the deep end right away. Rusty's exactly the kind of vet I'd want young complementary wingers looking to emulate as far as attitude, consistency, and work ethic.
 
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He’s 32, not super old but hardly young. Why not keep him if he’s open to staying past Sid and Geno era?

The Pens young forwards will need vets to play alongside them and keep a positive culture. Just look at the difference of cultures between San Jose and Chicago
 
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The Pens have a stated goal of retooling in time to take a shot in the playoffs before Sid retires. That means you start this offseason putting the pieces in place and go for it the year after. Agree with the approach or not, that's what they're doing. Capitals style retool.

Through that lense, I think you only move Rust for a young player that steps into the lineup now. Rusty is a leader. He's won two cups. Wears a letter on his sweater at times. A team with a lot of young talent that underperforms might value a guy like that and make an offer we can't refuse.

Example: Buffalo needs a leader in the room. Rust and the NYR 1st for Peterka. Or maybe a similar deal for Byram or Power. Something like that.

You don't move Rust for a couple scratch offs that start paying out in 2028. We've got plenty of those already.

TBH unless we score a white whale like Marner, the top 6 on the ice right now looks pretty good. A legend, a vet in their prime, and a kid with loads of upside on each line.

McGroarty Crosby Rust
Rakell Malkin Koivunen
 
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Power Surge said:
What's the value of rust?
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He would be an insane fit in TB lol

Hagel - Cirelli - Rust would be the absolute perfect playoff line.

I would rather keep him in PIT because of how good he is with Sid, and how great of a leader he is.

1st rd pick would be the ask.

He's going to hit 30G 60PTS playing at a 72pt pace if he played all 82
 
shello said:
He’s 32, not super old but hardly young. Why not keep him if he’s open to staying past Sid and Geno era?

The Pens young forwards will need vets to play alongside them and keep a positive culture. Just look at the difference of cultures between San Jose and Chicago
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One is 32nd the other is 31st?
 
tnnr said:
He would be an insane fit in TB lol

Hagel - Cirelli - Rust would be the absolute perfect playoff line.

I would rather keep him in PIT because of how good he is with Sid, and how great of a leader he is.

1st rd pick would be the ask.

He's going to hit 30G 60PTS playing at a 72pt pace if he played all 82
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Yeah I think there is something to what you're saying. But we've already traded all our assets to bring Gourde back plus we have Howard coming up (we think)
 
Rust fits cup contenders big time. He brings scoring experience and know how that just can;t be found in most players. I have posted if Detroit is to make it and become a playoff contender, Rust will bring scoring and make the Wings a better PP and RH shot which many teams really want. I take a 1st for him. Period. If not, keep him. BTY who is out there that matches his production????.
 
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Jared Grayden said:
I'd be fine with a 2028 1st but it's gotta be unprotected that far out.
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It probably won't work since there is the probability we will be where you are by then, our run is at least 2 out.

I doubt we will move this pick next year but possibly the following year when we have an idea of where we stand and also see where Rust is physically by then.

Chances are better he's moved by then.
 
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I think many could be surprised at what Rust could command this offseason.

What other options are there?

Tuch: the Sabres don’t seem to be in the position to exchange roster players for futures, but maybe the best option to lower Rust’s price if he were moved. If I were the Sabres I’d hold him til the tdl in any scenario that wasn’t a wild overpay or ideal hockey trade. Tuch as a rental would be among the biggest tdl paydays if that’s what it came to.

Crouse - not apples to apples, but somewhat close and maybe an option for somebody who didn’t like Rust’s price. He’s Big Lots Rust and probably commands a price tag close to what some others think Rust would cost.

Anderson - Habs are doing great and he’s part of their best all around 5v5 line, (Suzuki line way higher goals for, way way higher goals against - Dvorak Anderson Gallagher is the best 5v5 line on that team) doubt he moves

Debrincat - similar to the Sabres, doubt the wings would move him outside of a hockey trade (doubt he’d move period). Has big cap hit, isnt apples to apples, but would take rust buyers attention probably if he were moved.

I think rust could go for above a 1st. I’d guess doobey doobey do would snag a higher quality prospect in a deal at the very least - not a top 10 talent but top 25? Plus a bit more? Sure.

Brouwer for Oshie comes to mind too.

A rust buyer gets tons of control. Rust is reliable. There’s a lot of teams who would look for improvement and not a whole lot I’m seeing that would match rusts capability. Am I missing other options that would drive down his price or be more attractive to a buyer? I feel a large component of player valuations is existing supply.
 
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This random new meta of worrying about having transitional players to ease a rebuild is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, especially when that player is Bryan Rust of all people.

It's also a weird take when we aren't in the locker room and we don't know the impact of a good leader to the point we're saying "good veteran player must mean he is a good leader."

If I have young guy X, I don't know if there's much of a difference with Kevin Hayes types playing top line minutes as they ease into the lineup versus having a tier or two above that of guys on the last legs of their career as shells of their former selves.

No one really talks about Kris Letang being one of those leaders for the Penguins. It's probably because he's pretty bad now. But in reality, he's that exact magical guy in that role to ease in a guy like Pickering. Or Pickering can just be a good player that you build talent around?

There are about 300 billion ways to skin a cat to win in the NHL and about 500 billion ways it can go wrong.

That being said, Rust is probably worth more than a second.
 
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DesertPenguin said:
The Pens have a stated goal of retooling in time to take a shot in the playoffs before Sid retires. That means you start this offseason putting the pieces in place and go for it the year after. Agree with the approach or not, that's what they're doing. Capitals style retool.

Through that lense, I think you only move Rust for a young player that steps into the lineup now. Rusty is a leader. He's won two cups. Wears a letter on his sweater at times. A team with a lot of young talent that underperforms might value a guy like that and make an offer we can't refuse.

Example: Buffalo needs a leader in the room. Rust and the NYR 1st for Peterka. Or maybe a similar deal for Byram or Power. Something like that.

You don't move Rust for a couple scratch offs that start paying out in 2028. We've got plenty of those already.

TBH unless we score a white whale like Marner, the top 6 on the ice right now looks pretty good. A legend, a vet in their prime, and a kid with loads of upside on each line.

McGroarty Crosby Rust
Rakell Malkin Koivunen
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Funny, but from here a Rust for Jack Quinn or Rust for Samuelsson and a pick was what seems closer to what Buffalo would be offering.
 
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