Value of: Bryan Rust

As I said on the Penguins board, what is the purpose of trading Rust if all they're getting back is a 2nd, mid prospect and a cap dump?

They just got a 2nd for Beauvillier and a 2nd and 4th for Schenn at the deadline this year. If that's all they can get for Rust, they just keep him and let Crosby be happy he keeps his RW.
I don’t understand how you can talk about how the Pens are rebuilding in the main board thread about us being eliminated from the playoffs and then come here and ask what the purpose of trading of trading Rust would be.

Those prices for forwards are probably never going to be that high again which is why Rust should have been asked if he would waive at the deadline along with Rakell being moved.

The answer to the question is probably infinity. You could add up all the assets in the world and the Pittsburgh Penguins would still probably not trade Bryan Rust.
 
I don’t understand how you can talk about how the Pens are rebuilding in the main board thread about us being eliminated from the playoffs and then come here and ask what the purpose of trading of trading Rust would be.

Those prices for rentals are probably never going to be that high again which is why Rust should have been asked if he would waive at the deadline along with Rakell being moved.

Because trading him for a 2nd and a cap dump does basically nothing to help the rebuild when you can get 2nds ridiculously easily. They literally got paid a 2nd and 3rd last year to take on Hayes without giving up Rust.

You need to have veterans around the young players to help ease them into the NHL and prevent them from being overwhelmed with too much responsibility. If you're not getting value for your veterans, it's stupid to trade them. I'm not saying "don't trade Rust" I'm saying "don't trade Rust for a shit package that doesn't tangibly help the rebuild".
 
Given the lack of any trade protection, Dubas really shouldn't have a difficult time getting a 2026 Top 10 protected 1st Rounder for Rust.
 
As I said on the Penguins board, what is the purpose of trading Rust if all they're getting back is a 2nd, mid prospect and a cap dump?

They just got a 2nd for Beauvillier and a 2nd and 4th for Schenn at the deadline this year. If that's all they can get for Rust, they just keep him and let Crosby be happy he keeps his RW.
Trades are not linear.

Teams competing for something and only want a body for this yrs run or maybe next yrs too are willing to give up a 2nd+

It does not apply to a player with 3+ full ys at 33+ ages.
 
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Tradescsre not linear.

Trsms competing for something and only want a body for thus yrs run or maybe t he next 3 yrs are willing yogive up a 3nd×. It does nit apply to a player with 4 full ys st 33+ ages.

Don't know what's with all of the typos here, but this doesn't refute anything I said. If the Penguins can't get a good return for Rust, they shouldn't trade him. A 2nd and a cap dump is not a good return for Rust.

It is simply not worth trading him and upsetting Crosby if you're not getting something of actual value back for him. Someone offering up a 2026 1st for him? Sure, trade him then.
 
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Because trading him for a 2nd and a cap dump does basically nothing to help the rebuild when you can get 2nds ridiculously easily. They literally got paid a 2nd and 3rd last year to take on Hayes without giving up Rust.

You need to have veterans around the young players to help ease them into the NHL and prevent them from being overwhelmed with too much responsibility. If you're not getting value for your veterans, it's stupid to trade them. I'm not saying "don't trade Rust" I'm saying "don't trade Rust for a shit package that doesn't tangibly help the rebuild".

We will have vets. Crosby, Malkin, and Letang until they retire. After that, you sign a few vets to 1 year deals and flip them at the deadline. Ideally, guys like Rutger that are coming up now will be ready to step into that role in the next few years anyways.

I think Rust probably has solid value. He’s got Cup experience and produces in the playoffs. I don’t know why you wouldn’t just cash out on him now. He’s not going to be around to play another meaningful game for the organization.
 
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We will have vets. Crosby, Malkin, and Letang until they retire. After that, you sign a few vets to 1 year deals and flip them at the deadline. Ideally, guys like Rutger that are coming up now will be ready to step into that role in the next few years anyways.

Malkin is retiring after next year and Letang is completely washed up. It's not just about having vets, it's about having vets that aren't dogshit and can actually let prospects start in lower roles and ease them into the NHL. Buffalo has had a massive issue with this in their rebuild.

I think Rust probably has solid value. He’s got Cup experience and produces in the playoffs. I don’t know why you wouldn’t just cash out on him now. He’s not going to be around to play another meaningful game for the organization.

Because he's more valuable to the team being kept on Crosby's RW as a mentor/buffer for young players than getting a cap dump and a 2nd round pick for him.

Again, they got paid a 2nd and 3rd a year ago to take on Hayes' deal. You can get the equivalent of a 2nd and a cap dump for literally nothing.
 
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Nobody is more on board with the Penguins fully rebuilding than me. That said, Rust is worth more than a second and a cap dump. Even I would refuse that offer. At minimum a future protected first with a cap dump roster player given Rust's still playing well and is very good cap value right now. Even if he declines, his cap hit is solid for a third line role with the increasing cap.
 
Don't know what's with all of the typos here, but this doesn't refute anything I said. If the Penguins can't get a good return for Rust, they shouldn't trade him. A 2nd and a cap dump is not a good return for Rust.

It is simply not worth trading him and upsetting Crosby if you're not getting something of actual value back for him. Someone offering up a 2026 1st for him? Sure, trade him then.
Nobody is offering a 26 1st for him st full cap. Too much risk.
 
Nobody is more on board with the Penguins fully rebuilding than me. That said, Rust is worth more than a second and a cap dump. Even I would refuse that offer. At minimum a future protected first with a cap dump roster player given Rust's still playing well and is very good cap value right now. Even if he declines, his cap hit is solid for a third line role with the increasing cap.
How much of this is a byproduct of playing with Crosby or malkin?
 
How much of this is a byproduct of playing with Crosby or malkin?
The same amount it was with Guentzel. Crosby, and especially Malkin, are not CLOSE to what they were in their primes. Both could easily carry subpar linemates and no longer can.
 
Because trading him for a 2nd and a cap dump does basically nothing to help the rebuild when you can get 2nds ridiculously easily. They literally got paid a 2nd and 3rd last year to take on Hayes without giving up Rust.

You need to have veterans around the young players to help ease them into the NHL and prevent them from being overwhelmed with too much responsibility. If you're not getting value for your veterans, it's stupid to trade them. I'm not saying "don't trade Rust" I'm saying "don't trade Rust for a shit package that doesn't tangibly help the rebuild".
Have to keep negotiating equity for future deals as well
 
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Okay then they won't trade him. Thanks for the talk!

Again, if the Penguins can get a 2nd round pick for taking on 2 years of Hayes' bad deal, they'd be stupid to accept a 2nd and a cap dump for Rust.
Nothing wrong with extra 2nd round pick, dude.

More picks = better chance of landing a Matthew Boldy type winger

And you said the same thing about Pettersson! And he got fantastic value back!
 
How old us Rust? St those ages many players fall off cliffs in production
Turning 33. No doubt he carries risk which is also why Dubas should be willing to move him and take back a bad contract to offset some of that risk. His lack of trade protection and what the UFA market will yield is where his value lies. 3rd liners will be $5m/yr. with term by this summer so there is still a possibility of positive value on his contract.
 
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We will have vets. Crosby, Malkin, and Letang until they retire. After that, you sign a few vets to 1 year deals and flip them at the deadline. Ideally, guys like Rutger that are coming up now will be ready to step into that role in the next few years anyways.

I think Rust probably has solid value. He’s got Cup experience and produces in the playoffs. I don’t know why you wouldn’t just cash out on him now. He’s not going to be around to play another meaningful game for the organization.
Rust has been top 20 in both points and p/g for the last 5 years, and he's 11th in p/g in the last 2. And he's a character guy who worked his way up to a 1st liner, and he only makes 5 mil per.

I don't see why this is a player we need to cash out on for a mediocre return.
 
Rust has been top 20 in both points and p/g for the last 5 years, and he's 11th in p/g in the last 2. And he's a character guy who worked his way up to a 1st liner, and he only makes 5 mil per.

I don't see why this is a player we need to cash out on for a mediocre return.
You can get the price increased nearly double if you wait until deadline
 
Rust has been top 20 in both points and p/g for the last 5 years, and he's 11th in p/g in the last 2. And he's a character guy who worked his way up to a 1st liner, and he only makes 5 mil per.

I don't see why this is a player we need to cash out on for a mediocre return.
I never said a mediocre return. I think he has pretty good value. He will have mediocre value by the time age hits him, though. He is the type of player whose game falls off a cliff all of a sudden. It could be next year, it could be in 3 years, but eventually he’s going to be a shell of himself.

Hence the concept of cashing out now.
 

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