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You're wrong. I win.A friend egg sandwich with cheese is better and different than a grilled cheese or a fried egg sandwich.
You're wrong. I win.A friend egg sandwich with cheese is better and different than a grilled cheese or a fried egg sandwich.
Murray did not inherit an elite team. Period.Murray also inherited an elite team as Mukler did - Muckler managed to win with his and take it further, Murray had his explode in his face 40 games into his GM job.
When we made the first finals the majority of pundits picked us to win the Cup and the year Murray took over a ton of pundits predicted we’d be elite again, Murray didn’t manage his elite team well or build a winner. His record was underachievement at first and then Ottawa was just a gong show from that point on.
the fact that you are saying "these people" discredits their argument and makes you out to be right regardless of what the argument is. I take issue with people who use emotions to validate any discussion because merely disagreeing with them evokes a perceived attack.
Too many people nowadays are confrontational without merit because they think they are being challenged when in reality its the beginning of a conversation where there are different opinions.
I honestly don't take sports discussions seriously. Grilled cheese isn't better or worse than a fried egg sandwich. They are just different.
Understood. It just seems like the most "intelligent" posters here tend to be the ones who start with the insults and run to a mod to get people infracted when they can't handle people not withering to their perfect answer.Ok. What I'm saying is if someone is trying to have a respectful conversation/debate, fine, but if someone is trolling and making personal attacks, why engage?
The thing is, Murray's draft record was just so damn impressive for his first four drafts with Ottawa (2008, '09, '10, '11) that I was willing to deal with some of the questionable trades. But then it was suddenly so bad for his last three ('12, '13, '14). 2015 doesn't count because Dorion was already fully in charge of the draft for that one.
Anyone have a reasonable theory on this? I'm stumped. The scouting staff was basically the same throughout. No way one guy (Anders Forsberg) could have made that much of a difference...
In all of Mucklers drafts who should he have picked instead?Gary Friggin’ Roberts; the man we needed.
Tyler Arnason; the man we got.
Muckler was soul crushing year after year with is inability to go and get the players we needed at the TDL to put us over the hump.
While there may have been some debate over what player we needed to get each time, there wasn’t much debate on the idea that Muckler was guaranteed not only to not get a guy we needed, but would give up assets to bring in a guy we absolutely did not need, or who flat out sucked.
Just one of those years going all in, like getting Roberts when he was available to us, would have been nice, and so worth it.
Murray wasn’t great or anything, and his coaching carousel was terrible, but no one was quite as outright disappointing as Muckler was.
I agree with Coladin, I think GMBM is getting the respect he deserves from Sens fans. He has done better work with other franchises as a GM, but was a fantastic coach for us. I figure that dealing with EM is part of the GMs job in Ottawa, and PD right now is having to do the same with far less NHL stature and experience, and so will the next GM until the crazy owner has moved on.
No one was stopping EMs off-the-cuff outdoor game rant, which is the moment the fan base turned on him for good.
In my opinion of course.
In all of Mucklers drafts who should he have picked instead?
No. I would like to entertain other opinions on the matter.Can't you just look for yourself?
Better than anything I was able to come up with, but I still don't feel satisfied.
You're definitely right, more picks overall and more first and second rounders in those early drafts... but in 2010 they had no picks until the third round and still came up with Stone and Marcus Sorensen (I still find it hilarious that he's suddenly a full-time NHL player now apparently).
In 2011 they found Pageau in the fourth and Dzingel in the seventh. Hoffman fifth round in 2009. Zach Smith third in 2009. And then some fringe players beyond that.
But from 2012-2014 only one full-time NHL player, and essentially nothing for even fringe/call-up types.
Might want to take a look at that draft again, Paul was a stars pick who we aqired in the spezza trade, Lindberg was the other pick in the 4th.Nick Paul and Ben Harpur in the 4th , which is certainly not terrible for 4th round picks
Murray brought confidence behind the bench. If find it odd that every team he was apart of he left when the were on the cusp.Mucklet vs Murray would be defined as:
Muckler had stability and a steady franchise
Murray had almost immediate upheaval and chaos and it seemed to never stop.
When Bob Gainey went to Montreal as GM it was the lowest time in modern franchise history, he changed almost all of that overnight. The team settled down; the fans settled down and even though they weren’t winning every year like they wanted he brought stability and leadership.
I don’t think this is taken into consideration when evaluating these two GMs. Muckler brought confidence, Murray brought chaos
He also had to deal with rising salaries and a salary cap. He would have had to give up more assets to bring in better player at the deadline. It was a new time for the league and it took time to get used to it. Murray should have remained the coach and Hasek should have been brought back regardless of what anyone thought.Muckler was brought in to be the "finisher" and get the team over the hump and his deadlines moves included getting (a way past his prime) Peter Bondra, Tyler Arnason, Lawrence Nycholat and Oleg Saprykin. He unequivocally failed as a GM in his time here, given the expectations and the team he inherited from Marshall Johnston.