Player Discussion Bruins waive Tyler Johnson

[Dr Quincy]

If you're right, there's no risk with this move.

Would you rather have Lysell getting a chance to build chemistry with Coyle and Marchand or give those reps to Johnson while Lysell works with Kastelic and Jones? Which would you think is better for the longterm progress of the team? Say they waste 3 weeks giving Johnson first crack at things and then release him. Time is an asset. Time wasted is a risk.

 

[ON3M4N]

Would you rather have Lysell getting a chance to build chemistry with Coyle and Marchand or give those reps to Johnson while Lysell works with Kastelic and Jones? Which would you think is better for the longterm progress of the team? Say they waste 3 weeks giving Johnson first crack at things and then release him. Time is an asset. Time wasted is a risk.

Meh, the lines are routinely thrown into a blender during the pre-season. Im sure during practices Monty will throw different combos together to see who may work well together.

 

[Over the volcano]

Would you rather have Lysell getting a chance to build chemistry with Coyle and Marchand or give those reps to Johnson while Lysell works with Kastelic and Jones? Which would you think is better for the longterm progress of the team? Say they waste 3 weeks giving Johnson first crack at things and then release him. Time is an asset. Time wasted is a risk.

If missing a few preseason shifts with Charlie Coyle is make or break for Lysell then there are bigger issues

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Like this signing.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

If you're right, there's no risk with this move.

Well the risk is they waste time putting him with good players while the young kids can’t prosper with NHL talent in practice and games and show what they can do

 

[Hookslide]

Meh, the lines are routinely thrown into a blender during the pre-season. Im sure during practices Monty will throw different combos together to see who may work well together.

Good point, I am not concerned about Lysell having chemistry, I more interested in if is ready for the big time, or someone else, give a shit less about 34-year-old, 5'8 Tyler Johnson.

 

[NDiesel]

Don't love it but it is just a PTO, would have preferred going with a younger guy like age 24-27

 

[bruins cup]

Geekie, Poitras, Frederic, Brazeau, Merkulov, Lysell all far better options than TJ.

Lol poitras brazeau merkilov lysell are not as good as Johnson come on now

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Lol poitras brazeau merkilov lysell are not as good as Johnson come on now

If Johnson is so obviously better than players like that, why is he mudding around on a PTO?

 

[DominicT]

If Johnson is so obviously better than players like that, why is he mudding around on a PTO?

Hammer meet nail!

 

[Fire Sweeney]

If Lysell cannot earn a roster spot over the corpse of Tom Johnson it's time to fire the entire scouting epartment along with Neely and Sweeney.

 

[UncleRico]

It’s a PTO if it works it does and if it doesn’t there is no issue.

I think we are still a little high on Danton heinen coming in and producing the way he did.

Most PTOs are relative junk

 

[sarge88]

Gotta love this place sometimes…

Last year we bring in a guy on a PTO who had 22 points the previous year and some welcome him with open arms….

This year we bring in a guy who had almost as many goals -17 - As that guy had points the previous year and it’s somehow a bad move?

Furthermore, the guy who came here last year and was lauded as a huge success with 36 points only had 5 more points than the guy they’re bringing in this year.

Lol

I know points aren’t everything but brining in a veteran who has scored 29 goals twice and is sound defensively for FREE is a no brainer.

If he can play and help the team great!

If not, no harm done, and maybe he pushes a young kid to work a little harder or to focus more on something they need to improve on, or may even teach them something that helps them stick.

No lose situation.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Gotta love this place sometimes…

Last year we bring in a guy on a PTO who had 22 points the previous year and some welcome him with open arms….

This year we bring in a guy who had almost as many goals -17 - As that guy had points the previous year and it’s somehow a bad move?

Furthermore, the guy who came here last year and was lauded as a huge success with 36 points only had 5 more points than the guy they’re bringing in this year.

Lol

I know points aren’t everything but brining in a veteran who has scored 29 goals twice and is sound defensively for FREE is a no brainer.

If he can play and help the team great!

If not, no harm done, and maybe he pushes a young kid to work a little harder or to focus more on something they need to improve on, or may even teach them something that helps them stick.

No lose situation.

It’s almost like they’re two different players, and the team is in a different place one year later

 

[dugg133]

Gotta love this place sometimes…

Last year we bring in a guy on a PTO who had 22 points the previous year and some welcome him with open arms….

This year we bring in a guy who had almost as many goals -17 - As that guy had points the previous year and it’s somehow a bad move?

Furthermore, the guy who came here last year and was lauded as a huge success with 36 points only had 5 more points than the guy they’re bringing in this year.

Lol

I know points aren’t everything but brining in a veteran who has scored 29 goals twice and is sound defensively for FREE is a no brainer.

If he can play and help the team great!

If not, no harm done, and maybe he pushes a young kid to work a little harder or to focus more on something they need to improve on, or may even teach them something that helps them stick.

No lose situation.

"sound defensively"

Again, I really can't get worked up about a PTO. But this dude is WASHED washed.

Completely different scenario then bringing in a 27 year old Heinen, who was coming off a bad finishing year but still had decent underlying stats with a recent history of being a plus defender.

 

[sarge88]

It’s almost like they’re two different players, and the team is in a different place one year later

Yes

This year we’re all praying that a couple of guys who have yet to prove they are NHL quality players magically become NHL quality second liners.

Good point.

"sound defensively"
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Again, I really can't get worked up about a PTO. But this dude is WASHED washed.

Completely different scenario then bringing in a 27 year old Heinen, who was coming off a bad finishing year but still had decent underlying stats with a recent history of being a plus defender.

Maybe I overstated his ability there but I do remember him on the PK quite a bit.

Which at least to me is a concern as losing JDB in that role might hurt, especially because I’d like to see Marchand decrease his TOI.

Either way, can never hurt to bring in quality players.

 

[Dr Quincy]

If missing a few preseason shifts with Charlie Coyle is make or break for Lysell then there are bigger issues

You assume that a younger player being better than a veteran player is enough to give that player the job. I mean... we've seen plenty of times that isn't true including who will be starting at QB next week. It's incredibly naive to think that the only consideration is play on the ice, when things like waivers, salary, and coach's personal preference to a "steady" vet might sway opinion.

It's not a huge deal, but it's just wasting time with something that could be spend in better ways. I'll say it again though, I don't want to hear people complaining about prospect pool rankings being mean to the B's, because there are plenty of other teams who have better 21 year old players as an option instead of playing Tyler Johnson.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Yes

This year we’re all praying that a couple of guys who have yet to prove they are NHL quality players magically become NHL quality second liners.

Good point.



Maybe I overstated his ability there but I do remember him on the PK quite a bit.

Which at least to me is a concern as losing JDB in that role might hurt, especially because I’d like to see Marchand decrease his TOI.

Either way, can never hurt to bring in quality players.

In the last 5 seasons he's played a grand total of 18 minutes on the PK.

Danton Heinen played 94 (I rounded down, it was closer to 95)minutes on the PK last year.

 

[sarge88]

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In the last 5 seasons he's played a grand total of 18 minutes on the PK.

Danton Heinen played 94 minutes on the PK last year.

I stand corrected.

Posting from the car and was going on memories from his TB days.

Also I’m not comparing him to the much younger Heinen….just comparing people’s attitudes about the situation.

Many of us were insulted for calling his PTO bad or unnecessary based on his abysmal 22/23 season but now many are against Johnson when his production numbers were better seems kind of rash.

It’s a long season and injuries happen, and people don’t produce as expected .

This is a no risk move, IMO.

He might be washed but 17 goals is still 17 goals.

 

[DominicT]

You assume that a younger player being better than a veteran player is enough to give that player the job. I mean... we've seen plenty of times that isn't true including who will be starting at QB next week. It's incredibly naive to think that the only consideration is play on the ice, when things like waivers, salary, and coach's personal preference to a "steady" vet might sway opinion.

It's not a huge deal, but it's just wasting time with something that could be spend in better ways. I'll say it again though, I don't want to hear people complaining about prospect pool rankings being mean to the B's, because there are plenty of other teams who have better 21 year old players as an option instead of playing Tyler Johnson.

Can I expand on this?

I know you mentioned coach's preference, but that needs some detail.

Monty is a lame duck coach who enters the year without an extension. When was the last time the Bruins had that?

He needs wins, especially in the playoffs.

Damn straight coach's preference will play a big role. I could argue the biggest role.

 

[SPV]

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I stand corrected.

Posting from the car and was going on memories from his TB days.

Also I’m not comparing him to the much younger Heinen….just comparing people’s attitudes about the situation.

Many of us were insulted for calling his PTO bad or unnecessary based on his abysmal 22/23 season but now many are against Johnson when his production numbers were better seems kind of rash.

It’s a long season and injuries happen, and people don’t produce as expected .

This is a no risk move, IMO.

He might be washed but 17 goals is still 17 goals.

I agree with you. PTOs never hurt. Lysell should win the job, not be given it.

 

[RoccoF14]

And you’re understating it. This kind of move just drives me insane.

What’s the downside? If he’s truly washed up, there shouldn’t be any problems beating him out for a roster spot…

Competition is a good thing.

 

[Fenian24]

"sound defensively"
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Again, I really can't get worked up about a PTO. But this dude is WASHED washed.

Completely different scenario then bringing in a 27 year old Heinen, who was coming off a bad finishing year but still had decent underlying stats with a recent history of being a plus defender.

So you are using analytics from a generationaly bad team in last years Blackhawks to argue somebody is toast? Why analytics are a last resort for me.

 

[ODAAT]

Have zero issues with this invite, I don`t see Johnson being a lock for anything, he either gets beat out of a spot or doesn`t, if he doesn`t, that`s on the players fighting for a spot

 

[dugg133]

So you are using analytics from a generationaly bad team in last years Blackhawks to argue somebody is toast? Why analytics are a last resort for me.

that's his analytics from the past 3 seasons. Yes, all those Hawks teams have been very bad but I just think it's a bad bet to expect a 34 year old Johnson to suddenly turn into a player we haven't seen him be in like 4-5 years.