Bruins Related Misguided Myths (or Rhetoric) that has been proven wrong this year

[Colt.45Orr]

I have a few but I will limit myself to one as it is one I heard all the time for years and it always really annoyed me. Enough people should have seen the light this year to put this one to bed:

"Why Sign McQuaid When Kevin Miller Brings the Same Thing for 800k"


Ugh, I hurt me just to write that --I won't even get into the people that thought Miller was a better player all together.

Also, Miller didn't become a turnover train-wreck this year, he has had his moments (game 7 loss to Montreal was largely on his blown coverage) but he came in as a golden boy here with his willingness to drop the gloves and throw the body (supposed to be a big MMA guy). The weird thing is that he doesn't really do either anymore despite that being what got him into the NHL. He had more bad giveaways in a 1 week stretch than I can remember seeing from 1 Dman on the Bruins ever (Irwin didn't last the full week ha!).

I know people saw bottom pairing, physical Dman and wanted the bargain, but forgetting all that, the play speaks for itself and McQuaid is easily worth the extra money. Miller at 800k or McQuaid at 2.7? I'll take the guy who earned a Stanley Cup ring, sacrifices his body for every shot and teammate and doesn't move the puck like a hand grenade.



Any other Bruins-fan-driven Myths that we can put to bed here this year?

 

[Colt.45Orr]

PS: I honestly can't tell if the collective fanbase has smartened up and pulled its head out of its own ass or if I have just put too many people on "ignore" ... but either way I see way fewer posters stupidly blaming Rask for all of the Bruins' larger troubles. Hopefully the "Rask was a product of his D" myth died too. Has it?

 

[DitClapper]

McQuaid's underratedly been one of our best defenseman all season long. He doesn't get the respect he deserves here. Love that he's a Bruin. He embodies what this franchise is all about.

 

[Era of Sanity]

PS: I honestly can't tell if the collective fanbase has smartened up and pulled its head out of its own ass or if I have just put too many people on "ignore" ... but either way I see way fewer posters stupidly blaming Rask for all of the Bruins' larger troubles. Hopefully the "Rask was a product of his D" myth died too. Has it?

I think that theory existed and to a degree still exists with non Bruin fans, especially Leaf fans incidentally. I didn't notice too many Bruins fans saying this, atleast in comparison. Even in 2013-14 when we won the President's trophy there were a lot of defensive breakdowns. Last season, after a shaky start, Rask pleayed some of the best hockey I have seen Rask play with a weak d.

 

[zaYG]

You're not wrong about McQuaid being infinitely better than Miller. However, for Miller's first season and a half in the NHL, he DID do everything McQuaid did for less money. Then he collapsed and has been terrible ever since, especially this season.

 

[ODAAT]

I still shake my head at those saying CJ ruins kids

Does he play them as much as I`d like at times? Nope, but he`s also coached about 650+ more NHL games than I have and has a nice shiny ring so I guess he knows a bit more than I

I didn`t like the Quaider signing either, and I think like Colt I thought he was alot like Quaider but in my defense, I also didn`t see him put in a top 4 role

He and Trotman are playing a pairing too high and often going against teams best and Miller can`t handle that

 

[jdz]

I still shake my head at those saying CJ ruins kids

Does he play them as much as I`d like at times? Nope, but he`s also coached about 650+ more NHL games than I have and has a nice shiny ring so I guess he knows a bit more than I

I didn`t like the Quaider signing either, and I think like Colt I thought he was alot like Quaider but in my defense, I also didn`t see him put in a top 4 role

He and Trotman are playing a pairing too high and often going against teams best and Miller can`t handle that

All young guys have got to be brought along at different speeds. I dont think Clode adheres to a set formula and brings them along according to whether he thinks they're ready. Sometimes we may disagree with that but he should have earned our trust in that regard by this point.

A lot of fanbases want their younger players to get given more responsibility faster, not just ours, and the coaches probably know better than what we do.

I have vented about the style of defensemen we seem to overplay at times, but I've never seen Clode to be the sort of coach that hinders younger guys' development.

 

[RedBruin]

I have a few but I will limit myself to one as it is one I heard all the time for years and it always really annoyed me. Enough people should have seen the light this year to put this one to bed:

"Why Sign McQuaid When Kevin Miller Brings the Same Thing for 800k"


Ugh, I hurt me just to write that --I won't even get into the people that thought Miller was a better player all together.

Also, Miller didn't become a turnover train-wreck this year, he has had his moments (game 7 loss to Montreal was largely on his blown coverage) but he came in as a golden boy here with his willingness to drop the gloves and throw the body (supposed to be a big MMA guy). The weird thing is that he doesn't really do either anymore despite that being what got him into the NHL. He had more bad giveaways in a 1 week stretch than I can remember seeing from 1 Dman on the Bruins ever (Irwin didn't last the full week ha!).

I know people saw bottom pairing, physical Dman and wanted the bargain, but forgetting all that, the play speaks for itself and McQuaid is easily worth the extra money. Miller at 800k or McQuaid at 2.7? I'll take the guy who earned a Stanley Cup ring, sacrifices his body for every shot and teammate and doesn't move the puck like a hand grenade.



Any other Bruins-fan-driven Myths that we can put to bed here this year?

Miller had a pretty decent start to his career. His play not only stagnated but declined since then though. I don't see them as the same either, also McQ is way more of a physical force than Miller, MMA guy or not.

Then again, I'm biased, McQ is one of my favourites on this team.

 

[smithformeragent]

They DNQ for the playoffs last year and didn't get any better in the off-season so they'll finish outside the top 8.

Hockey is such its own animal when it comes to the regular season.
It's about having the talent, but also having the right mix and the right coach.

 

[finchster]

Miller had a pretty decent start to his career. His play not only stagnated but declined since then though. I don't see them as the same either, also McQ is way more of a physical force than Miller, MMA guy or not.

Then again, I'm biased, McQ is one of my favourites on this team.

Declined? Nope. He has a new role, playing top four minutes because our defence is so bad. He has no business in that role. Put him in the bottom six role like McQuaid, it's a different story.

Last year he played 15 minutes a game, this year almost 20. That's a big change in role, a role he isn't suited for. If he was in a bottom six role, colt wouldn't have made this thread and broke his hand patting himself on the back so hard.

 

[RedBruin]

Declined? Nope. He has a new role, playing top four minutes because our defence is so bad. He has no business in that role. Put him in the bottom six role like McQuaid, it's a different story.

He played half a minute more last season than in his first year and he looked significantly worse. The Bruins not having a legit #2 and #3 does the rest, sure.

Last year he played 15 minutes a game, this year almost 20. That's a big change in role, a role he isn't suited for. If he was in a bottom six role, colt wouldn't have made this thread and broke his hand patting himself on the back so hard.

That just isn't true.
13-14 - 17:28
14-15 - 18:02
15-16 - 19:44

Sorry I don't see any 5 minute jump from one season to the next.

As for the rest, I want every Bruin to succeed, I don't have an agenda. I'd just take Quaider over K.Miller any day of the week.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

He played half a minute more last season than in his first year and he looked significantly worse. The Bruins not having a legit #2 and #3 does the rest, sure.


That just isn't true.
13-14 - 17:28
14-15 - 18:02
15-16 - 19:44

Sorry I don't see any 5 minute jump from one season to the next.

As for the rest, I want every Bruin to succeed, I don't have an agenda. I'd just take Quaider over K.Miller any day of the week.

And twice on Sunday

At this point, he is what he is. A 5/6/7 on a good team. Forced to play waaaaaaaaay over his head on this team.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

He played half a minute more last season than in his first year and he looked significantly worse. The Bruins not having a legit #2 and #3 does the rest, sure.


That just isn't true.
13-14 - 17:28
14-15 - 18:02
15-16 - 19:44

Sorry I don't see any 5 minute jump from one season to the next.

As for the rest, I want every Bruin to succeed, I don't have an agenda. I'd just take Quaider over K.Miller any day of the week.

I must say it still amazes me that some posters here use inaccurate numbers, that are easily available, to make a point.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I have a few but I will limit myself to one as it is one I heard all the time for years and it always really annoyed me. Enough people should have seen the light this year to put this one to bed:

"Why Sign McQuaid When Kevin Miller Brings the Same Thing for 800k"


Ugh, I hurt me just to write that --I won't even get into the people that thought Miller was a better player all together.

Also, Miller didn't become a turnover train-wreck this year, he has had his moments (game 7 loss to Montreal was largely on his blown coverage) but he came in as a golden boy here with his willingness to drop the gloves and throw the body (supposed to be a big MMA guy). The weird thing is that he doesn't really do either anymore despite that being what got him into the NHL. He had more bad giveaways in a 1 week stretch than I can remember seeing from 1 Dman on the Bruins ever (Irwin didn't last the full week ha!).

I know people saw bottom pairing, physical Dman and wanted the bargain, but forgetting all that, the play speaks for itself and McQuaid is easily worth the extra money. Miller at 800k or McQuaid at 2.7? I'll take the guy who earned a Stanley Cup ring, sacrifices his body for every shot and teammate and doesn't move the puck like a hand grenade.



Any other Bruins-fan-driven Myths that we can put to bed here this year?

Odd time for this point to be made.

As of this morning Kevan Miller leads all Bruins defensemen in plus/minus (+12) and Hits (120). Leads the team in blocks (95).

Should note I've always been a McQuaid booster. The team is better with him in the lineup than not.

 

[Oates2Neely]

You're not wrong about McQuaid being infinitely better than Miller. However, for Miller's first season and a half in the NHL, he DID do everything McQuaid did for less money. Then he collapsed and has been terrible ever since, especially this season.

While I'm a big McQuaid fan, I think K.Miller looks as bad as he has this season because he's been miscast into a top pairing dman, sometimes top-4. I'm willing to be that as the teams #6 RH shot dman, with limited minutes, he'd look far better than he has this season. I'd still prefer to see C.Miller playing ahead of him.

 

[BadBruins]

I was one of those that thought Miller was better at $800K than McQuaid at $2.8M. I still believe both Trotman and Miller are better value 3rd pairing RH D (in terms of cost/performance). McQuaid is no doubt the better fit for this team in it's current state. Hopefully next year he's the only one slotted as a regular to begin the season. I don't have a problem with the money so much anymore. He certainly has a presence when he's in the lineup. Takes his role seriously.

Don't know what happened to Miller's edge. Maybe it's self preservation. The more you watch of him though, the more you realize he doesn't have a great feel for the game. If he wants to stick in this league, his best shot is as a brute.

 

[Mathews28]

I have a few but I will limit myself to one as it is one I heard all the time for years and it always really annoyed me. Enough people should have seen the light this year to put this one to bed:

"Why Sign McQuaid When Kevin Miller Brings the Same Thing for 800k"


Ugh, I hurt me just to write that --I won't even get into the people that thought Miller was a better player all together.

Also, Miller didn't become a turnover train-wreck this year, he has had his moments (game 7 loss to Montreal was largely on his blown coverage) but he came in as a golden boy here with his willingness to drop the gloves and throw the body (supposed to be a big MMA guy). The weird thing is that he doesn't really do either anymore despite that being what got him into the NHL. He had more bad giveaways in a 1 week stretch than I can remember seeing from 1 Dman on the Bruins ever (Irwin didn't last the full week ha!).

I know people saw bottom pairing, physical Dman and wanted the bargain, but forgetting all that, the play speaks for itself and McQuaid is easily worth the extra money. Miller at 800k or McQuaid at 2.7? I'll take the guy who earned a Stanley Cup ring, sacrifices his body for every shot and teammate and doesn't move the puck like a hand grenade.



Any other Bruins-fan-driven Myths that we can put to bed here this year?

Glad someone took the time to give props to mcquaid. My only issue with him ever has been can he stay healthy. He's the one guy on the D I feel like will be what he is game to game. Doesn't over think the game. If fact if we had a legit #1, like Gio, I'd pair McQuaid with hin

 

[bearcountry17]

I love McQuaid but he would look just as bad as Miller facing tougher competition and is the worst puck mover on this team. Sweeney was in a tough spot with Dougie leaving but that contract is brutal for a bottom pairing defencemen that can't stay healthy.

This is case of people overrating him because of a fight when in reality Miller's goal was far more important to the outcome of the game.

 

[Mathews28]

I love McQuaid but he would look just as bad as Miller facing tougher competition and is the worst puck mover on this team. Sweeney was in a tough spot with Dougie leaving but that contract is brutal for a bottom pairing defencemen that can't stay healthy.

This is case of people overrating him because of a fight when in reality Miller's goal was far more important to the outcome of the game.

Miller's goal was tantamount to the blind squirrel that finds a nut.

 

[bizman]

How about the myth that we are a defensive boring team. I think we are the third highest scoring team in the league. Imagine being a fan of the Devils.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

I love McQuaid but he would look just as bad as Miller facing tougher competition and is the worst puck mover on this team.

Ahh, I see incorrect myths still are alive and kicking re: McQuaid.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

How about the myth that we are a defensive boring team. I think we are the third highest scoring team in the league. Imagine being a fan of the Devils.

I'll admit that I still fall under the group that can buy into that widely held Bruins myth from time to time. In fairness, we were coming off of being shut out the previous game.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Declined? Nope. He has a new role, playing top four minutes because our defence is so bad. He has no business in that role. Put him in the bottom six role like McQuaid, it's a different story.

Last year he played 15 minutes a game, this year almost 20. That's a big change in role, a role he isn't suited for. If he was in a bottom six role, colt wouldn't have made this thread and broke his hand patting himself on the back so hard.

nevermind...

 

[BMC]

K Miller hasn't been the same since that shoulder injury and resulting surgery. Maybe it is just a confidence thing or maybe it still bothers him I don't know. I just know he hasn't been the same

 

[bearcountry17]

Ahh, I see incorrect myths still are alive and kicking re: McQuaid.

Incorrect in your opinion but there is a reason claude has played Miller over 2 more minutes a night. Do you care to guess why?