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Prospect Info: Bruins Prospects XXV

Jim said:
And all of those underlying positives are meaningless if you can’t contribute, at all, to the prime markers of the game. It’s not that advanced stats are useless, it’s that they are not as useful as the basic ones we all know.

Don’t tell me how good a guy is at skating in circles if he can’t buy a singular goal. This is exactly the type of thing that created fan animosity towards Senyshyn. You had one group trying to sell “all the good things he does”, and the other group knowing full-well that if a goal scorer can’t score 20 goals in the A after 4-1/2 seasons, he probably isn’t going to in the NHL. The first group fell back on advanced data and “well, have you watched all his games?”, and the second group said, “no, I don’t need to, a quick glance at his stats and a couple games is enough information”.

That’s exactly what we’re getting again. We all want to see Dean have a rebound, monster sophomore season. Just stop making excuses for his trash freshman season.
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This reply is really something, given the entire conversation above.
 
4ORRBRUIN said:
It was said many time he was a long term project that was worth the risk. Not sure what people expected in his first year. His teammates are playing in the NHL so let's have some perspective of how good BC was last season.

If anything he learned in his first year watching and learning from some elite players.
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It’s damn near impossible to go from Ontario prep school to the ncaa. I had very low expectations. He was always going to be a long term project. He barely played. Bc is sheltering him. BC is also very high on him and are committed to getting him up to speed. If BC is as good at developing players as they say then he might just be in good hands. If he doesn’t pan out do we even care ? Late firsts are never guaranteed stars.
 
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Kegs said:
It’s damn near impossible to go from Ontario prep school to the ncaa. I had very low expectations. He was always going to be a long term project. He barely played. Bc is sheltering him. BC is also very high on him and are committed to getting him up to speed. If BC is as good at developing players as they say then he might just be in good hands. If he doesn’t pan out do we even care ? Late firsts are never guaranteed stars.
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If he does make it, we're more likely to get John Beecher than Tage Thompson. Still, you never know- odds and statistics are one thing and the individual person is another and the two don't always meet. I hope he becomes a top 6 beast, but if not, well, the Bruins were not likely to get that where Letourneau was picked anyway.
 
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Dr Hook said:
If he does make it, we're more likely to get John Beecher than Tage Thompson. Still, you never know- odds and statistics are one thing and the individual person is another and the two don't always meet. I hope he becomes a top 6 beast, but if not, well, the Bruins were not likely to get that where Letourneau was picked anyway.
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not sure about John Beecher type, I feel the kids handling of the puck far stronger than Beecher now in the very limited viewing I had of him and in the minutes he got in the game I watched, he battled in the corner, once vs two Denver players and came out with the puck, already light years ahead of JB :)

Kid is still a long ways from being a bonafide prospect in the system, surprised the B`s didn`t ask/demand the kid hit the USJHL first but..
 
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ODAAT said:
not sure about John Beecher type, I feel the kids handling of the puck far stronger than Beecher now in the very limited viewing I had of him and in the minutes he got in the game I watched, he battled in the corner, once vs two Denver players and came out with the puck, already light years ahead of JB :)

Kid is still a long ways from being a bonafide prospect in the system, surprised the B`s didn`t ask/demand the kid hit the USJHL first but..
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Maybe I should have clarified: level of player, not necessarily comparison in styles, As in your 4th liner, AHL/tweener type.
 
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Dr Hook said:
If he does make it, we're more likely to get John Beecher than Tage Thompson. Still, you never know- odds and statistics are one thing and the individual person is another and the two don't always meet. I hope he becomes a top 6 beast, but if not, well, the Bruins were not likely to get that where Letourneau was picked anyway.
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He has soft hands though. He skates really well like Beecher but he looks like he has a higher offensive potential to me. Only time will tell though. One year where he barely played isn’t a fair assessment. We will have to come back in a couple of years and see where he is at.
 
Dr Hook said:
Maybe I should have clarified: level of player, not necessarily comparison in styles, As in your 4th liner, AHL/tweener type.
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could be, I dunno, I tried to focus as much as I could while viewing on TV how he played without the puck as well and it appeared like his positioning was fairly strong, also made 2 very subtle plays in his own zone, absorbing contact to ensure the puck gets out of the zone

I see something there, something Beecher is completely free of and it`s hockey IQ
 
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Kegs said:
He has soft hands though. He skates really well like Beecher but he looks like he has a higher offensive potential to me. Only time will tell though. One year where he barely played isn’t a fair assessment. We will have to come back in a couple of years and see where he is at.
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ODAAT said:
could be, I dunno, I tried to focus as much as I could while viewing on TV how he played without the puck as well and it appeared like his positioning was fairly strong, also made 2 very subtle plays in his own zone, absorbing contact to ensure the puck gets out of the zone

I see something there, something Beecher is completely free of and it`s hockey IQ
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Agreed, fellas. I am commenting on where he was taken in the draft: that you are more likely to end up with a bust or Beecher level player (not the same type of player) than you are a top 6 forward. In other words, if he doesn't pan out, it's not the end of the world. That said, I am not shitting on Letourneau as a prospect; I have no idea what he's going to end up as and I am going to pull for the kid to be great for as long as he is a Bruin.
 
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Dr Hook said:
Agreed, fellas. I am commenting on where he was taken in the draft: that you are more likely to end up with a bust or Beecher level player (not the same type of player) than you are a top 6 forward. In other words, if he doesn't pan out, it's not the end of the world. That said, I am not shitting on Letourneau as a prospect; I have no idea what he's going to end up as and I am going to pull for the kid to be great for as long as he is a Bruin.
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late first rounder, almost 2nd rounder, likely right, the B`s are hardly the lone NHL team who makes drafting mistakes, wanna compare? Have a look at some of the Bolts drafts since 2000, some here might be surprised how many drafts they had where they got bupkis on picks, often picking in late first round much like our team has had to do

for all intents and purposes, unless picking in top 10, they have far more misses than hits
 
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ODAAT said:
late first rounder, almost 2nd rounder, likely right, the B`s are hardly the lone NHL team who makes drafting mistakes, wanna compare? Have a look at some of the Bolts drafts since 2000, some here might be surprised how many drafts they had where they got bupkis on picks, often picking in late first round much like our team has had to do

for all intents and purposes, unless picking in top 10, they have far more misses than hits
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The draft is a crap shoot. Every team has lots of misses that their respected fan bases complain about. Hindsight is 20/20.
 
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ODAAT said:
late first rounder, almost 2nd rounder, likely right, the B`s are hardly the lone NHL team who makes drafting mistakes, wanna compare? Have a look at some of the Bolts drafts since 2000, some here might be surprised how many drafts they had where they got bupkis on picks, often picking in late first round much like our team has had to do

for all intents and purposes, unless picking in top 10, they have far more misses than hits
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Yup- the statistics about draft picks and reaching even 100 games in the league are interesting. I look at this way: ~210 players are picked each draft. There are under 750 NHL jobs available each season. There is no way for teams not to have way more "busts" than not. Even with all the nuances you can attach to the raw numbers, the truth is that the majority of drafted players never reach the NHL and even more never get more than a cup of coffee.
 
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KnightofBoston said:
Boy oh boy

this is why I could see Hagens going in the top 3

let's hope he doesn't become another Vesey if he falls to the bruins and is BPA at that point
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Vesey was an UDFA who had an excellent career for a UDFA, not quite up to the hype train maybe, but way better than 99% .

Hagens is on a far different level as a prospect
 
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Montecristo said:
I thought vesey was a 3rd round pick?
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Oh yeah you are right. He was a 3rd round pick, who took the not sign with his original team so he can sign with the rangers route. My bad. I had forgotten that. Still when he signed with the Rangers he was a 23 year old free agent, who played well his Junior and Senior years in college after a slow start.

Still never once in the same class as Hagens as a prospect
 
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