Proposal: Bruins Off-Season Talk

[bp13]

I wanted to move him before the NMC kicked in, and slide Soderberg into that spot.

However, it's kind of pointless comparing hockey to football because of the difference in the structure of the contacts.

This is true, it's certainly different. And it's worth noting it's easier to take chances with rings on your fingers.

But the idea of maximizing players during their peak years is something that can be carried to hockey. Also, Belichick doesn't get emotionally attached to players, be they "prospects" or vets. Also, he is always looking for ways, some would say even sneaky ones, to get an edge. I think the general attitude that "I don't care who plays for me and I don't care what people think of me as along as I win" has proven successful for him. We could probably use a bit more of that.

 

[EverettMike]

If it's not an exact comparison (because the rules in the two leagues are completely different) why bother with the exercise? If the NHL had the same rules as the NFL with the way they could cut players, I'm sure Sweeney and every other GM in the NHL would approach team building in a completely different manner. If the NFL had the same rules as the NHL and teams couldn't just "walk away" from contracts I think that Hoodie would approach things differently as well.

You do realize almost every comparison ever made isn't an "exact" one, right? Because then you'd be talking about identical things and you wouldn't really be comparing them. "Thing A is like Thing B" is a comparison. "Thing A is Thing A" is a math equation.

But this isn't the first time you've complained that two things "aren't exactly alike" when I've compared them, so I'm not surprised. You're either being obstinate or really don't understand the larger point I was trying to make. Either way, I don't care.

Bill Belichick follows the Branch Rickey model of "a year too soon." But oh ****! Branch Rickey was a baseball guy. Nevermind. Can't possible discuss team management philosophy or valuing players.

 

[Therick67]

Maybe in the next lockout JJ can do something about all these NTC and NMC clauses.

 

[LouJersey]

Maybe in the next lockout JJ can do something about all these NTC and NMC clauses.

I would love them to be banned.

 

[Therick67]

I would love them to be banned.

I would also. You get top dollar and a long term contract - but I can't trade you?

 

[northeastern]

Lot of negativity in here. But there's still time. I'm hopeful a deal is made that moves spooner, belesky and picks/kids out and gets a top 6 wing for dk. Moves money, adds to the top 6 and rebuilds the 3rd line which sucked last year.

 

[EverettMike]

This is true, it's certainly different. And it's worth noting it's easier to take chances with rings on your fingers.

But the idea of maximizing players during their peak years is something that can be carried to hockey. Also, Belichick doesn't get emotionally attached to players, be they "prospects" or vets. Also, he is always looking for ways, some would say even sneaky ones, to get an edge. I think the general attitude that "I don't care who plays for me and I don't care what people think of me as along as I win" has proven successful for him. We could probably use a bit more of that.

Impossible you understood all of that. My comparison wasn't exactly alike.

 

[EverettMike]

Lot of negativity in here. But there's still time. I'm hopeful a deal is made that moves spooner, belesky and picks/kids out and gets a top 6 wing for dk. Moves money, adds to the top 6 and rebuilds the 3rd line which sucked last year.

I think my happiness that they didn't do something stupid in free agency (which I think they did the last two years) counterbalances my disappointment that the NHL roster isn't better.

 

[DKH]

I think Sweeneys issue is he's going to have to make some tough decisions and make some trades that some people are not going to like. I think Bruins fans have to come to the realization that nobody is bailing you out of that Belesky contract... Spooner is not a wanted commody around the league and is not fetching you a top 4 defensemen, Carlo had one good year but showed real signs of slowing down and no Gm is trading an established player for a maybe.

Reality is:

Krecji won't waive
Backes won't waive and no one is takon that contract
Mcquaid won't get you anything and I'm sure you will be eating a bit of salary.
Bruins are tight for money

What does this mean IMO.

Trade targets for teams/ clearing money for Boston means.

Trading Rask.
Trading Krug.
Trading Mcavoy. (I hope they never trade this kid)

IMO THESE are players other teams want and will help Boston with cap to improve and may give you a chance for a cap dump like Belesky. The question remains is Sweeney ready to pull the trigger on a good ol hockey trade. (These are the trades that make or break) a contending team. Chiarelli made some good ones and some bad ones but he's got a ring to show for his good ones.

IMO I would be open to trading both Rask and Krug for the right fit. I think they will fetch you a
Good return and you may be able to save some salary with a good deal.

This team in my opinion as it stands is a bubble team, has been the last 3 years and it's time to make some decisions here with good young prospects.

I still can't believe this thread

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2227533&highlight=

Single worst post in 20 years

 

[GloryDaze4877]

This is true, it's certainly different. And it's worth noting it's easier to take chances with rings on your fingers.

But the idea of maximizing players during their peak years is something that can be carried to hockey. Also, Belichick doesn't get emotionally attached to players, be they "prospects" or vets. Also, he is always looking for ways, some would say even sneaky ones, to get an edge. I think the general attitude that "I don't care who plays for me and I don't care what people think of me as along as I win" has proven successful for him. We could probably use a bit more of that.

I think that if NHL teams could walk away from players the way NFL teams can, you would see a lot more of it. However, you are also comparing a surefire HOF, possibly GOAT coach (that does things differently than 99% of his NFL counterparts) with multiple championships to a guy that's been on the job two years.

You think the parameters are just a little different? Sweeney would probably not be quite as cold-blooded as BB, even if the rules were different, but who is?

 

[Ryan77]

I still can't believe this thread

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2227533&highlight=

Single worst post in 20 years

Why because I said Im not happy with the team they have iced the last three years?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Impossible you understood all of that. My comparison wasn't exactly alike.

Mike, it's unfortunate that when someone disagrees with you, it can't be handled with a little more class and tact, and as something other than a personal attack.

We get it, you are the smartest guy in the room.

 

[Therick67]

Lot of negativity in here. But there's still time. I'm hopeful a deal is made that moves spooner, belesky and picks/kids out and gets a top 6 wing for dk. Moves money, adds to the top 6 and rebuilds the 3rd line which sucked last year.

I think it's just fans who want to see this team continue to get better. I like the fact this team actually has prospects but would like to see them use some of them to get better now.

 

[BruinDust]

I still can't believe this thread

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2227533&highlight=

Single worst post in 20 years

Everyone is upset because they can't sit down on July 6th and carve the opening day roster on a piece of stone like they could back in the glory days under Claude.

Obviously if the Bruins don't have the Top 6 and Top 4 D positions 100% solved by now then they have zero, zero, zero chance at winning anything next year. EVERY cup winner has established veteran stars at those 10 positions in a cap system. (Sarcasm).

 

[Ryan77]

I still can't believe this thread

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2227533&highlight=

Single worst post in 20 years

What exactly was wrong with that post?? We squeeked into the playoffs and really got lucky to play Ottawa first round because of Toronto had not blown that lead to Columbus we would have gotten Washington and been gone in 4.

We played good hockey down the stretch but did you even consider last years team a
Real threat in the playoffs???

That being said do you think the team Boston has right now is actually that good for the upcoming 2017-2018 season???

 

[KrejciMVP]

Maybe in the next lockout JJ can do something about all these NTC and NMC clauses.

That means no hockey anytime soon. Especially with Jacobs negotiating. NFL can cut players if they are too expensive, doesn't work like that in the NHL. The players don't live to serve lord Jacobs

 

[EverettMike]

Mike, it's unfortunate that when someone disagrees with you, it can't be handled with a little more class and tact, and as something other than a personal attack.

We get it, you are the smartest guy in the room.

No Joe, it's unfortunate that you can't disagree with the larger point, but have to engage in a debate about semantics and technicalities. And that you have done this for years.

You didn't say, "I don't think this is a good comparison and here's why," you said, "This is pointless because they aren't exactly alike." You didn't argue against my point, you argued against the nature of comparisons.

That's way more aggravating to me than if you just called me stupid.

 

[8thRoundPick]

I still can't believe this thread

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2227533&highlight=

Single worst post in 20 years

This is kind of uncalled for. You don't like his opinion, just skip over it. I really like your thoughtful insight and opinions, but I don't like the user bashing.

 

[Therick67]

That means no hockey anytime soon. Especially with Jacobs negotiating.

That's why he's such a great builder and a HOF'er...

 

[GloryDaze4877]

You do realize almost every comparison ever made isn't an "exact" one, right? Because then you'd be talking about identical things and you wouldn't really be comparing them. "Thing A is like Thing B" is a comparison. "Thing A is Thing A" is a math equation.

But this isn't the first time you've complained that two things "aren't exactly alike" when I've compared them, so I'm not surprised. You're either being obstinate or really don't understand the larger point I was trying to make. Either way, I don't care.

Bill Belichick follows the Branch Rickey model of "a year too soon." But oh ****! Branch Rickey was a baseball guy. Nevermind. Can't possible discuss team management philosophy or valuing players.

You obviously do care, or you would not have replied.

I'm not being obstinate and I do understand your thought "exercise".

I just disagree with your premise. I think it's extremely difficult to speculate accurately about how a GM would act given a completely different set of parameters.

 

[yazmybaby]

Can't believe Markov wants 6 million a year. Who in the right mind will give him this?

 

[EverettMike]

You obviously do care, or you would not have replied.

I'm not being obstinate and I do understand your thought "exercise".

I just disagree with your premise. I think it's extremely difficult to speculate accurately about how a GM would act given a completely different set of parameters.

Sigh. I don't care why you were arguing about the nature of comparisons.

You continue not to understand my actual point, because you are viewing it literally. Comparisons aren't literal. Meanwhile, look up above, someone explicitly explained to you my reason for bringing up Belichick. Go argue with that. I'm done talking about why "a different set of parameters" isn't important in a comparison.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

No Joe, it's unfortunate that you can't disagree with the larger point, but have to engage in a debate about semantics and technicalities. And that you have done this for years.

You didn't say, "I don't think this is a good comparison and here's why," you said, "This is pointless because they aren't exactly alike." You didn't argue against my point, you argued against the nature of comparisons.

That's way more aggravating to me than if you just called me stupid.

I will remember that next time, take your advice, and see what the response is.

My experience in discussing things with you is that it's a lose-lose proposition. Instead of just allowing for the fact that someone might see something in a different way than you do, it must be that they don't see the big picture like you do, or they can't grasp your complex thought processes.

Sometimes people just disagree and you bludgeoning them isn't going to change that.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Sigh. I don't care why you were arguing about the nature of comparisons.

You continue not to understand my actual point, because you are viewing it literally. Comparisons aren't literal. Meanwhile, look up above, someone explicitly explained to you my reason for bringing up Belichick. Go argue with that. I'm done talking about why "a different set of parameters" isn't important in a comparison.

I "got" your actual point.

I don't agree with it.

 

[neelynugs]

an entertaining few minutes over here at HF fo sho. i'm off to run a few errands. hoping for some more since we don't get any of it in the NHL anymore.