Proposal: Brock Nelson to the Wild

[Dr Jan Itor]

The equation for what Nelson is worth could very well change in early March vs. now.

With all of our current injury question marks, would be insane to give up anything valuable not knowing if it'll be anywhere close to worth the risk.

If everybody is back healthy by the TDL, I could see our GM be willing to part with valuable pieces. Not crossing it off the list, at least.

 

[miscs75]

If you guys can't land your first we will happily pick him up for lesser parts.

The problem is that the lesser parts being discussed by Wild fans on here are bottom six forwards with term, “prospects” who are topping out as AHLers and mid round picks. None of that does anything for the Islanders except turn them into a dumping ground. If the 1st isn’t available, the prospect being offered should offset that missing first when that’s the main factor of the trade. The prospect shouldn’t be the equivalent of a guy who’s 23-24 and shown he can’t make any jump to being a better player.

 

[Sota Popinski]

I wonder if the hopes and dreams will help Minnesota win 2 playoff rounds once or twice in the teams tenure before they move to the south like the North Stars.

The Islanders were in danger of moving far more recently than the Wild ever were, which is never

 

[Sota Popinski]

The problem is that the lesser parts being discussed by Wild fans on here are bottom six forwards with term, “prospects” who are topping out as AHLers and mid round picks. None of that does anything for the Islanders except turn them into a dumping ground. If the 1st isn’t available, the prospect being offered should offset that missing first when that’s the main factor of the trade. The prospect shouldn’t be the equivalent of a guy who’s 23-24 and shown he can’t make any jump to being a better player.

Lambos just turned 22 a couple days ago and given that we have one of the top D-corps in the league, him not being a fixture on the NHL club doesn't mean he'll top out at 6/7D

 

[periferal]

Nelson will return quite a bit before March 7

Not if the Isles GM is too blind/stubborn/out of touch/apathetic to put Nelson on the market.

 

[miscs75]

Lambos just turned 22 a couple days ago and given that we have one of the top D-corps in the league, him not being a fixture on the NHL club doesn't mean he'll top out at 6/7D

And that’s as good as Grant Hutton is. At best a #7. Lambos is useless for the Isles future based on his current development. Like I said, without a 1st a mediocre minor leaguer who might top out at barely clinging onto an NHL roster won’t cut it. Teams will beat a barest minor leaguer and mid round pick, especially if it’s a team Brock says he will sign a future deal with and shows signs of wanting to stay there in future seasons.

 

[AKL]

At best a #7

a mediocre minor leaguer who might top out at barely clinging onto an NHL roster

barest minor leaguer

Do you at least see the irony in whining about people calling Nelson a 50 point player, and then turning around and saying this about Lambos?

 

[miscs75]

Do you at least see the irony in whining about people calling Nelson a 50 point player, and then turning around and saying this about Lambos?

So basically Lambos is a blue chip prospect and Brock is only a 3rd line center, noted.

 

[AKL]

So basically Lambos is a blue chip prospect and Brock is only a 3rd line center, noted.

Can you describe the thought process that occurred in your head from when you read my post, to when you his send on this one? Really interested to see how you arrived here.

 

[SI90]

Thank god Brock is viewed more favorably within the actually league than he is by some opposing fans. Yikes.

Brock for the passed 7 years has been the isles most consistent player and goal scorers. Plays PP PK and on 5V5 plays complete 200ft. Has a terrific shot. Has tons of deep playoff experience. Top6 center. Isles are in disarray so everyone besides Lee numbers are down but Nelsons track record speaks for itself.

A team that wants to go on a serious playoff run and is serious about adding will look to Nelson for a big upgrade.

Minimum for Nelson coming back is a 1st. Then add from there. I completely understand not trading a blue chip for a rental but I wouldn’t be surprised if a team did add one of their better prospects for Nelson.

 

[miscs75]

Can you describe the thought process that occurred in your head from when you read my post, to when you his send on this one? Really interested to see how you arrived here.

The simple fact that you’re pushing that “Brock won’t go for a 1st” or “or GM has never traded a 1st” added in with “every prospect has too much value” you keep seeming to push. Point is, the Minnesota Wild 2025 version of Parker Wotherspoon and a mid round pick will get beat by multiple teams substantially with offering a 1st that isn’t in 3 drafts from now and a prospect with actual useful upside. Not a guy who’s buried in the system because of the “superstar blueline” and isn’t producing at a rate that will prove he’s fighting for a spot.

 

[AKL]

The simple fact that you’re pushing that “Brock won’t go for a 1st”

Don't think I ever said this. Actually, let me help you out, from the last thread (at least one of these was even a response to you directly):

and the return is likely going to be a 1st+prospect

I still think Nelson gets 1st+lower tier prospect, but the substitute for not having a 1st is not a top prospect. It's more "spare parts" as they'd call them.

I think we can all agree that Nelson should return a 1st+prospect,

He will get a late 1st + decent, not great, prospect.

or “or GM has never traded a 1st”

Do you think every Wild fan is one poster with multiple accounts, or Wild fans as a whole are some kind of hivemind? You have me confused with someone else. Quite easy to differentiate though, as we all have unique usernames you can look at to tell the difference.

added in with “every prospect has too much value” you keep seeming to push.

What...?

Point is, the Minnesota Wild 2025 version of Parker Wotherspoon

Again, you seem to enjoy disparaging the Wild's assets, while being very sensitive about anyone doing the same to Nelson. It's just funny, obviously you can keep doing it.


I'm really getting the sense here that the main issue is that you're kinda just reading what you want to read in order to be the most offended by it, or you're confusing me with someone else. In any case, you still didn't explain how me pointing this out:

Again, you seem to enjoy disparaging the Wild's assets, while being very sensitive about anyone doing the same to Nelson. It's just funny, obviously you can keep doing it.

Somehow means I said this:

Lambos is a blue chip prospect and Brock is only a 3rd line center

I don't even know if it's to be considered a strawman really, but it's clear no one actually said that, so I'm not sure why you did.

It's interesting though because looking back at that other thread, you were the guy who said Brock Nelson outproduced Jake Guentzel, so it seems like you just like to make stuff up in your head without regard to what's true or not.

 

[miscs75]

Don't think I ever said this. Actually, let me help you out, from the last thread (at least one of these was even a response to you directly):







Do you think every Wild fan is one poster with multiple accounts, or Wild fans as a whole are some kind of hivemind? You have me confused with someone else. Quite easy to differentiate though, as we all have unique usernames you can look at to tell the difference.



What...?



Again, you seem to enjoy disparaging the Wild's assets, while being very sensitive about anyone doing the same to Nelson. It's just funny, obviously you can keep doing it.


I'm really getting the sense here that the main issue is that you're kinda just reading what you want to read in order to be the most offended by it, or you're confusing me with someone else. In any case, you still didn't explain how me pointing this out:

Somehow means I said this:

I don't even know if it's to be considered a strawman really, but it's clear no one actually said that, so I'm not sure why you did.

It's interesting though because looking back at that other thread, you were the guy who said Brock Nelson outproduced Jake Guentzel, so it seems like you just like to make stuff up in your head without regard to what's true or not.

Read through this one and the previous one regard Brock Nelson trades with Minnesota. Wild fans are under the impression that he’s not worth a 1st and Guerin won’t ever trade a 1st for him. If the offset of not having a 1st is spare parts, that’s no different then the mid round pick and AHL tier prospect that was offered from the start. Teams will beat that offer substantially. If Brock actually gets traded to Minnesota (especially with retention like what was hinted at by someone), it won’t be for one of the listed cap dumps (all of which have term), a mediocre draft pick and useless prospect that’s just a filler in the system.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Read through this one and the previous one regard Brock Nelson trades with Minnesota. Wild fans are under the impression that he’s not worth a 1st and Guerin won’t ever trade a 1st for him. If the offset of not having a 1st is spare parts, that’s no different then the mid round pick and AHL tier prospect that was offered from the start. Teams will beat that offer substantially. If Brock actually gets traded to Minnesota (especially with retention like what was hinted at by someone), it won’t be for one of the listed cap dumps (all of which have term), a mediocre draft pick and useless prospect that’s just a filler in the system.

and wild fans can promise islanders fans, Buium isn't getting traded. or Liam Ohgren. Islanders fans can't seem to understand this.

 

[miscs75]

and wild fans can promise islanders fans, Buium isn't getting traded. or Liam Ohgren. Islanders fans can't seem to understand this.

I know those two aren’t getting traded, same with Stramel but to make your best prospect available 2 defensemen who based on the stat line look like career minor leaguers isn’t really offering anything. Prospects like that just get tossed around from team to team when they sign one or two year 2 way deals after teams decided not to keep their rights once the ELC expires.

 

[doublechili]

If posters were GMs, there is no deal here. So, maybe the Isles can trade him to DAL. And MIN can play against him in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[Glorydays22]

If posters were GMs, there is no deal here. So, maybe the Isles can trade him to DAL. And MIN can play against him in the first round of the playoffs.

exactly....so again, as I stated so many times to Wild fans. Time will tell.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Dallas can have him March. We'll pick him up in July if we want.

 

[Glorydays22]

Dallas can have him March. We'll pick him up in July if we want.

Sounds good...As long as the isles get their asking price from Dallas or whomever....

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Sounds good...As long as the isles get their asking price from Dallas or whomever....

Is it theirs, or is it yours? Honestly asking if there is a report out there about the Islander's asking price.

 

[Glorydays22]

Is it theirs, or is it yours? Honestly asking if there is a report out there about the Islander's asking price.

The reports stated what they wanted and it's pretty much in line what isles fans are asking here. Whether you like it or not.
So if the Wild are out of the running, so be it.