Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[Breakers]

Whaaat does this mean?

He turns it over in the neutral zone
He doesn’t even get to uncontrolled entries (dump ins) or controlled entries

And doesn’t do anything defensively to make up for it

 

[Ernie]

If he takes a 1 year deal at age 28, his agent deserves to be fired. It's unlikely that he'll get $8m x 8 but his agent will be looking to maximize the total value of his contract this summer before that 40 goal season fades too far into the rearview mirror.

With so much cap space floating around this summer, somebody will pay him.

 

[kanucks25]

Based on how things are going he may regret not taking that 8M x 5Y deal the Canucks offered, or whatever the alleged subsequent offer close to the deadline was.

And the organization is probably glad he didn't take it, not to mention it wouldn't be the first time a player has saved them from a bad contract by denying it.

Just a mess all around. Hope he regains his form, even if he's going to walk. Typically not a guy that needs many good chances to score but he's missed a lot lately. And for a guy that doesn't create much on his own, he really needs to capitalize on what he gets.

 

[MS]

He's not taking 1 year? Who the hell is he going to play with here to help build his resume?

Good luck with that.

Then it’s good-bye.

If he takes a 1 year deal at age 28, his agent deserves to be fired. It's unlikely that he'll get $8m x 8 but his agent will be looking to maximize the total value of his contract this summer before that 40 goal season fades too far into the rearview mirror.

With so much cap space floating around this summer, somebody will pay him.

Apparently his trade value is nearly zero right now.

He probably would have received $8.5x8 last summer after 40 goals. He’s going to get way, way less than that this summer.

Betting on himself (whether it’s here or elsewhere) isn’t necessarily a bad idea.

But yes, Trotz or someone might still give him a $7x6 golden parachute and he probably will take it. We should be staying the f*** away. He’s had one good half-season in the last 4 years.

 

[Ernie]

Then it’s good-bye.



Apparently his trade value is nearly zero right now.

He probably would have received $8.5x8 last summer after 40 goals. He’s going to get way, way less than that this summer.

Betting on himself (whether it’s here or elsewhere) isn’t necessarily a bad idea.

But yes, Trotz or someone might still give him a $7x6 golden parachute and he probably will take it. We should be staying the f*** away. He’s had one good half-season in the last 4 years.

Oh I totally agree we should stay away, but he'd be extremely foolish to not cash in what he can right now for all the same reasons we should stay away. Loui Eriksson 2.0.

 

[credulous]

the fa market is so dry (especially at wing) that he'll get his 7yr contract at reasonably big dollars. i think he lands in columbus or pittsburgh but he'll get paid somewhere

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

He's not taking 1 year? Who the hell is he going to play with here to help build his resume?

Good luck with that.

yeah it makes no sense for either party.

if he can’t get a long (or even medium) term at good dollars somewhere, then it’s a one year on a team with a killer PP and dedicated playmaking 1C that can promise him a cushy front of the net.

 

[sting101]

It wont matter much. At the end of the day the crop of free agents is terrible. He's 28 with a recent 40 goal history playoff success and the year isn't over yet. Brock can score goals has a 30g 65pts per 82 career pace and teams will realize this year there was a lot of noise with the top2 C's here.

The prevailing story will be he can bounce back with the right players to slot him with unlike the low IQ grinders he's been saddled with since Miller left and just by sheer lack of competition a rising cap and GMs that think by July1st they can get something to sell to the fans and have optimism he will get something stupid

This notion that he sucks and is going to be lucky to get a good contract or will have to take a 1yr deal to prove his career is not going into the toilet at 28 is wishful thinking.

Certainly any idea that he might get close to what Konecny got has to be gone but teams aways will pay big money for a goal scorer even if he's pretty one dimensional.

Hopefully Boeser is willing to go shorter term and offer some concessions but i would bet after round 2 of trying to trade him and him being friends with Miller and the fact he's got no C to play with that suits his playstyle he probably walks his way to a better situation with more money

 

[Hodgy]

Debrusk got 5.5 by 7 after a 40 point season. Would actually be surprised if Boeser didn’t get 7+ and probably more on a long term deal given that he’s scored 40 last year and given how much the cap is rising.

Definitely don’t want to ge the team to give him that contract though given his lack of chemistry with Pettersson.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Too slow to keep up with the pace of the game. Someone's going to overpay him to do more than he's capable glad it doesn't appear to be us.

 

[David71]

Too slow to keep up with the pace of the game. Someone's going to overpay him to do more than he's capable glad it doesn't appear to be us.

he'll get the 8x7 from somebody. then will be out of the league in 2-3 years due to being "slow" buyout proof. you can bookmark this when the time comes and i'll be right. he wont ever score 40 again. 25 at least.

 

[VanJack]

Brock is what I would term a 'complimentary' scorer. He just doesn't have the foot-speed to beat anyone one-on-one. He relies on a center to get him the puck in a shooting area.

Unfortunately with Miller gone, there's nobody on the Canucks who can get him the puck with time and space. I would imagine he'll sign somewhere in the off-season with a team that has some size or speed down the middle. Who knows, it might even the Rangers re-uniting him with Miller.

So he's legitimate 'bounce-back' candidate somewhere, much like Tyler Tofoli. He's not the greatest skater either, but has a knack for scoring goals. Those kind of players will always get another shot somewhere.

 

[F A N]

A lot of the comments here leave out the fact that we may have a 5x$8M offer on the table for Boeser. So like with Lindholm in the past, all the comments about how some dumb GM is going to give Boeser $8M with term... well...

 

[Kryten]

A lot of the comments here leave out the fact that we may have a 5x$8M offer on the table for Boeser. So like with Lindholm in the past, all the comments about how some dumb GM is going to give Boeser $8M with term... well...

Unless it was fluff, I remember reading that any offers to Brock have been rescinded

 

[Isi]

Bad luck will do anyone in. Since the start of Feb, Mikko Rantanen has 2 points at 5 on 5 in 14 games. Within Cancuks world, O'Connor & Joshua are also alongside Brock with the one point in that time span. DeBrusk & Chytil are flying along at two points. Marco Rossi has 53 points in 67 games for the Wild this season, and over his last 15 games, he has two points at 5 on 5.

Since the start of Feb, Brock has played 223 minutes at 5 on 5 and the Canucks have scored one goal in that ice time. Jake Evans in Montreal is the only other forward in the league who has played 175 minutes and only had his team score one goal in that time. (Joshua was alongside Brock here but betrayed Brock by being on ice for that last goal we scored against Chicago, so Joshua now has 2 goals scored in his last 199 minutes of ice time)

Brock has just been horribly unlucky in that time. Among the 236 forwards to play 175 minutes since Feb, Brock's on-ice shooting percentage is, obviously, the lowest in the league at 1.16%. If I just split the gap and find the forwards who are 118th and 119th in the league since Feb, you get Pavel Dorofeyev & Christian Dvorak, who are in the 9.3% percent region. And the two guys at top? Ilya Mikheyev & Teuvo Teravainen at 18.60 and 18.82%. Yeah, Ilya Mikheyev.

When I first posted about Brock's bad luck run, I noticed McDavid is going through a bad run of his own at the moment. He has the 17th lowest on ice shooting percentage since Feb, at 4.62% (the above mentioned Rantanen and Rossi are just over 4%). If it can happen to McDavid, it can happen to anyone.

Now I don't say all this to completely defend Brock. I've been ambivalent on the idea of re-signing him. Not selling at the deadline was a massive indictment on Rutherford. Brock's underlying stats since Feb are not particularly good. But he is undoubtedly going through some horrid luck right now (and the timing of this luck is itself particularly bad, being on the back of Miller being traded and the inevitable narratives that will spark) and that sort of seems important. I'm not seeing Brock looking particularly lazy, soft or bored. The pucks just aren't going in. If they start going in from the next game, I don't think it'll be because of effort or hard work either.

link 1: Since Feb, forwards, individual points at 5on5, minimum 175 minutes
link 2: Since Feb, forwards, on ice totals, minimum 175 minutes

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Boeser has been really struggling and I don't think we should re-sign him unless we get a serious discount.

But I gotta' say, I really hate the way a lot of posters talk about our players. Like they take glee in their struggles or think they're low-lives when they struggle.

Boeser has been ineffective since his concussion. I don't think it's a stretch to say he may return to form as a 30ish goal scorer next season.

I just don't think he's a fit here.

If you have a team with speed and strong puck retrievers but zero finish, he's potentialy a great fit in the Joe Pavelski mold.

I always point to the 2015-2018 Blue Jackets who were a perfect fit for Sam Gagner.

A team like that with a bunch of Jenners an Dubinskys and Hartnell's would be a good team for Boeser.
Or a place where he's a finisher for a puck carrier.

I wonder if there's any chance he signs in Chicago to be Bedard's Toffoli.

 

[ExarKun80]

Brock knows that he is gone in the summer and his main concern right now is to not get injured. You guys would do the same in his place despite all this outrage. Teams will still throw big money at him.

 

[rypper]

Teams are going to offer a lot less with how he's playing down the stretch.

That's the balance.

 

[andora]

Brock knows that he is gone in the summer and his main concern right now is to not get injured. You guys would do the same in his place despite all this outrage. Teams will still throw big money at him.

I know sure as hell I wouldn't be doing the same

 

[Hodgy]

Brock knows that he is gone in the summer and his main concern right now is to not get injured. You guys would do the same in his place despite all this outrage. Teams will still throw big money at him.

Being injured wouldn’t really hurt is value considering that he’s putting up donuts on the score sheet.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

He turns it over in the neutral zone
He doesn’t even get to uncontrolled entries (dump ins) or controlled entries

And doesn’t do anything defensively to make up for it

Really?

Ive not noticed this.

Do you have stats to back this up?

 

[F A N]

Unless it was fluff, I remember reading that any offers to Brock have been rescinded

I think there was one last attempt to re-sign Boeser (which was rejected) and we rescinded the offer right before the deadline. Regardless, a few games shouldn't change management's plan when it comes to Boeser.

 

[F A N]

Boeser has been really struggling and I don't think we should re-sign him unless we get a serious discount.

But I gotta' say, I really hate the way a lot of posters talk about our players. Like they take glee in their struggles or think they're low-lives when they struggle.

Boeser has been ineffective since his concussion. I don't think it's a stretch to say he may return to form as a 30ish goal scorer next season.

Ya it's unfortunate that Boeser hasn't been the same since suffering that concussion. He's also reputed to be one of the best humans around. As for not re-signing him due to his current struggles, that's the big question mark.

I just don't think he's a fit here.

If you have a team with speed and strong puck retrievers but zero finish, he's potentialy a great fit in the Joe Pavelski mold.

I always point to the 2015-2018 Blue Jackets who were a perfect fit for Sam Gagner.

A team like that with a bunch of Jenners an Dubinskys and Hartnell's would be a good team for Boeser.
Or a place where he's a finisher for a puck carrier.

I wonder if there's any chance he signs in Chicago to be Bedard's Toffoli.

I think that when we're looking to commit 5+ years to a player, I hate to make these decisions based on current fit when the C position needs to be upgraded. Kind of like with Garland from previous years, if we are set down the middle and Boeser isn't a top 6 fit that's one thing. If Boeser isn't a top 6 fit because we suck down the middle then that's another.

Petey hasn't been good this year. It's not like he's making plays out there and Boeser has zero chemistry with him. Petey is on pace of a career low in assists.

Essentially what you are saying is Boeser needs someone to get him the puck. No disagreements here, but if we don't have a bunch of Jenners/Hartnells or a puck carrier and playmaker to play with Boeser then the team would suck anyways. You got to be able to move the puck up ice and maintain possession somehow. Boeser is a finisher who needs a puck carrier and decent playmaker. A puck carrier and decent playmaker needs a winger to score goals. Boeser has had chemistry in the past with Petey, Miller, and Horvat. I don't think Boeser is a difficult winger to play with.

 

[B-rock]

Brock knows that he is gone in the summer and his main concern right now is to not get injured. You guys would do the same in his place despite all this outrage. Teams will still throw big money at him.

I don’t think that’s the case. If anything, and as we’ve historically seen with every other nhl player in a contract year, he should be playing his ass off to get the big money he feels he deserves.

Teams are now reassessing any intent they had to throw money at him. Instead of it looking like he’d taken the next step, it now looks like last year was an anomaly and he’s actually regressing back to and even below his norm as he gets older and even slower.

 

[Tables of Stats]

I vote we change the title of this thread to "Brock Bottom".