Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[Peter Griffin]

While I agree, there's definitely a huge subset of management teams that value "ripping the puck" as the most important skill in the world. The general feeling, today, amongst the hockey pundits is that Boeser will return close to what Fiala got. I don't think either are correct but what I think doesn't matter.

I think Boeser's value may return close to what Fiala got in the form of a pick and a prospect, I just think the pick will be lower and the prospect worse. There are some teams like Ottawa, Buffalo and New Jersey that could all use a player like Boeser and will all have difficultly luring free agents. A high 2nd and decent prospect/young player, would be a good trade for both sides IMO.

 

[Vector]

I think Boeser's value may return close to what Fiala got in the form of a pick and a prospect, I just think the pick will be lower and the prospect worse. There are some teams like Ottawa, Buffalo and New Jersey that could all use a player like Boeser and will all have difficultly luring free agents. A high 2nd and decent prospect/young player, would be a good trade for both sides IMO.

I’m 100% with you. I think there’s a huge subset of fans, not here but on Twitter and elsewhere, who have built up a fallacy of what Boeser is and will rip into management for any trade that isn’t some obvious huge win. These are the same people that tell me he’s an excellent defensive forward and I just need to “watch the games more”.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

There is a great video from youtube that has every single goal he scored this season, many were him using his shot to beat a goalie, and many in one timer fashion. Take a look and then let me know what you think.

Do you mean this one?

thx i’ll find the time to watch this

i’m not necessarily saying rookie boeser is gone forever, just that i’ll believe the shot is still there when i see it

but i’ll watch the video, hopefully i missed something this year

 

[theguardianII]

In what world is Minnesota in win-now mode? Do you have any idea what their cap looks like for the next three years?

Look at the age of the players on that team. The majority are coming into their prime or there already.
They have to try to go all in over the next 2 or 3 years.

and yes their cap issues are immense for the next 3 years.

Maybe they should blow it up to prepare for when they have more cap space?

Do you not think a 30+ goal scorer entering his prime years is worth 6.5 mil a year?
There will be players coming off the books or players on LTIR traded for to make room.

 

[Hammman]

Look at the age of the players on that team. The majority are coming into their prime or there already.
They have to try to go all in over the next 2 or 3 years.

and yes their cap issues are immense for the next 3 years.

Maybe they should blow it up to prepare for when they have more cap space?

Do you not think a 30+ goal scorer entering his prime years is worth 6.5 mil a year?
There will be players coming off the books or players on LTIR traded for to make room.

Be that as it may, no team is going to realistically compete with 17% of it's cap space tied up in buyouts.

 

[theguardianII]

Be that as it may, no team is going to realistically compete with 17% of it's cap space tied up in buyouts.

Then why should they bother? And why are they better than the Canucks who were over the cap?

I agree they have a hard road but for that team playoff revenue is important as players are not being paid anymore.

They could easily make an additional 8 mil with four home games in that market. And that revenue is not shared. It is a screwy CBA for sure.

 

[Tables of Stats]

Then why should they bother? And why are they better than the Canucks who were over the cap?

I agree they have a hard road but for that team playoff revenue is important as players are not being paid anymore.

They could easily make an additional 8 mil with four home games in that market. And that revenue is not shared. It is a screwy CBA for sure.

They weren't over the cap this past season, that cap hell only starts now and runs for the next few years. So you may see Minnesota make some interesting moves and go for a rebuild in the next season or two.

 

[Tomatoes11]

While I agree, there's definitely a huge subset of management teams that value "ripping the puck" as the most important skill in the world. The general feeling, today, amongst the hockey pundits is that Boeser will return close to what Fiala got. I don't think either are correct but what I think doesn't matter.

When EP and Boeser were a dynamic duo and doing Sedin stuff on a terrible team and his rookie season where he carried us on an even crappier team without ep. That’s the grass is greener glasses some other gms and eastern media might have on Brock.

He’s probably worth like a 1st. So Fiala is faber and first. So brock is probably worth a lower 1st and shittier prospect. Like instead of 19th and faber brock would be like worth 25th and someone else’s rathbone/Forsling or just the 25th. How similar the two packages are is up for interpretation but either way I take it instead of re signing Brock.

25th and 7.5 million cap and no headache about whether he rebounds or not and potentially hand cuffs us later with a bad contract? Totally worth it.

 

[rypper]

Canucks’ Brock Boeser says he 'sucked' last season:​

Canucks’ Brock Boeser says he 'sucked' last season

On the Has-Beens podcast, the Vancouver Canucks sniper talked how he learned to shoot the puck, the curve of his stick, and the pressure of the Vancouver market.

www.vancouverisawesome.com

Just a breakdown of Brocks appearance on some former teammates podcast, there was some fun bits about his performance last season, social media and the fan base, type of stick he uses etc. And this bit:

 

[Shareefruck]

Boeser definitely did not "lose his shot" the way that Markus Naslund did, IMO. His struggles have more to do with losing his legs/work ethic, IMO.

 

[wonton15]

‘My dream was his dream’: Canucks’ Brock Boeser turns focus to hockey after a year of pain and loss

Boeser's father and "biggest fan," Duke, died in May after battling dementia and Parkinson's.

theathletic.com

Everyone needs to read this article. A very hard but necessary read.

I can’t even begin to imagine how Brock has played through such hardships.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Serious question.

So BB6 needed wrist or hand surgery etc and he gets it a few days after he needs it.

Non athletes wait for surgery for 6 months to a year for knee , shoulder , hip etc surgeries. I know there is no private medical services (outside of imaging) so how does BB6 (and all NHLers ) get to the front of the line?

 

[arttk]

Serious question.

So BB6 needed wrist or hand surgery etc and he gets it a few days after he needs it.

Non athletes wait for surgery for 6 months to a year for knee , shoulder , hip etc surgeries. I know there is no private medical services (outside of imaging) so how does BB6 (and all NHLers ) get to the front of the line?

Canucks pay enough money to make it a net benefit for the system.
They probably pay like a base rate per year just to reserve a spot and then more when they actually need to use it.

 

[credulous]

Serious question.

So BB6 needed wrist or hand surgery etc and he gets it a few days after he needs it.

Non athletes wait for surgery for 6 months to a year for knee , shoulder , hip etc surgeries. I know there is no private medical services (outside of imaging) so how does BB6 (and all NHLers ) get to the front of the line?

there's private medical service in canada if you look hard enough

i suspect boeser had the surgery done across the border though

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Brock Boeser

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Canucks pay enough money to make it a net benefit for the system.
They probably pay like a base rate per year just to reserve a spot and then more when they actually need to use it.

I don’t think you can reserve surgery spots with money.

 

[arttk]

I don’t think you can reserve surgery spots with money.

Normal people can’t. Like I said, it’s allowed when it’s a net benefit for the system. It’s not like the healthcare system is overflowing with funding.

 

[Shareefruck]

I’m 100% with you. I think there’s a huge subset of fans, not here but on Twitter and elsewhere, who have built up a fallacy of what Boeser is and will rip into management for any trade that isn’t some obvious huge win. These are the same people that tell me he’s an excellent defensive forward and I just need to “watch the games more”.

To be fair, I would legitimately say that when Boeser is engaged and not just hovering (which is usually not the case), he is noticeably more naturally/effortlessly capable defensively than most of our other forwards currently are, IMO (it was most obvious in his rookie season, where he was actually hustling). I'd say stronger than Garland or Horvat's (who both try a lot harder to be responsible and have had more experience doing it than rookie Boeser did but don't really have a knack for it).

His default auto-pilot state can get pretty bad, though.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Boeser definitely did not "lose his shot" the way that Markus Naslund did, IMO. His struggles have more to do with losing his legs/work ethic, IMO.

Oh you mean when his dad was slowly passing away?

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Oh you mean when his dad was slowly passing away?

2 things can be true at the same time.

 

[Shareefruck]

Oh you mean when his dad was slowly passing away?

I wouldn't argue with attributing his loss of skating/work ethic to his dad slowly passing away.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I wouldn't argue with attributing his loss of skating/work ethic to his dad slowly passing away.

Yeah.

Seems like certain someone has ran a very succesful campaign here against Boeser. Has really caught on these past 6 months or so.

Oh well. Hope he has a healthy season and gets traded to somewhere he is appreciated.

 

[Shareefruck]

Yeah.

Seems like certain someone has ran a very succesful campaign here against Boeser. Has really caught on these past 6 months or so.

Oh well. Hope he has a healthy season and gets traded to somewhere he is appreciated.

Huh? I'm lost. What does this have to do with what I said?

I'm not sure what you're referencing, but I would think that if he played poorly and people's impression of him soured, and then the valid human reason why he struggled is revealed later, that bad impression doesn't need to come from some big campaign or narrative. It's just a natural phenomenon/observation, no? I don't really see the issue in pointing out the reality of his struggles.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Huh? I'm lost. What does this have to do with what I said?

I'm not sure what you're referencing, but I would think that if he played poorly and people's impression of him soured, and then the valid human reason why he struggled is revealed later, that bad impression doesn't need to come from some big campaign or narrative. It's just a natural phenomenon/observation, no? I don't really see the issue in pointing out the reality of his struggles.

Sorry. Maybe I am lumping you in with some other folk here. My bad.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Serious question.

So BB6 needed wrist or hand surgery etc and he gets it a few days after he needs it.

Non athletes wait for surgery for 6 months to a year for knee , shoulder , hip etc surgeries. I know there is no private medical services (outside of imaging) so how does BB6 (and all NHLers ) get to the front of the line?

I'll let you in on something if you pay cash upfront at time of service instead of with insurance money down the road you move up. How do I know this? I work for an agency that does this for our clients and they all go past the line. It's not right but it happens.