Value of: Brock Boeser as a UFA

[Menzinger]

He hit 40 goals last year, he's not signing anything that doesn't at least start with an 8

 

[Peter Griffin]

He hit 40 goals last year, he's not signing anything that doesn't at least start with an 8

8 years, $5M AAV. Done.

 

[Prior]

The Wild would likely have some interest to some degree. However his game isn’t the greatest fit for what they need and annual cap hit at more dollars than where Boldy is at probably isn’t in the cards given where some of the new money will need to be allocated.

 

[RandV]

He hit 40 goals last year, he's not signing anything that doesn't at least start with an 8

The team friendly nature of the cap hit will depend on how much back diving he allows into the contract. He'll most certainly be taking home over $8M salary over the next few seasons, but if he agrees to a contract that scales back the salary as he ages the annual cap hit could be below 8.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

We have a Dubas.

That 7-8M projection is about 3-4M off being "a Dubas"

 

[Menzinger]

The team friendly nature of the cap hit will depend on how much back diving he allows into the contract. He'll most certainly be taking home over $8M salary over the next few seasons, but if he agrees to a contract that scales back the salary as he ages the annual cap hit could be below 8.

He's only 27, I don't think you're going to see a guy in his 20s agree to a structure like that.

This deal will be what defines his professional earnings as a hockey player. It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be unreasonable, but he's going to look big on that number. Discount deals are for older players

 

[qc14]

With the final cap number so up in the air it's tough to say for sure. Feel like he's pretty much exactly between DeBrusk and Guentzel as a player so I'll split the difference of their two contracts and go $7.25M at 7 years

 

[RandV]

He's only 27, I don't think you're going to see a guy in his 20s agree to a structure like that.

This deal will be what defines his professional earnings as a hockey player. It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be unreasonable, but he's going to look big on that number. Discount deals are for older players

He'll be 28/29 when the new contract kicks on, and on an 8 year deal the final year he'll be 35/36. Shea Theodore's contract is an example of what I'm talking about, and a good value comparison to Boeser. Starts at $9.5M and ends at $5.7M, with a cap hit of $7.425M. That's a 7 year contract though and he's a year older, so to apply the same standard directly to Boeser you add an extra $9.5M year at the start and get a cap hit of $7.68M over 8 years.

Looking at various long term contracts signed for players approaching 30 or older, some or structured like the above while others pay the same for the duration. I feel like that's the biggest factor for a 'team friendly' contract these days, as a GM can easily just pay a guy the same amount right to the end of the deal and chances are won't be around to deal with it then.

 

[David71]

he'll likely go home to Minnesota offering the "best offer" or hes taking a discount to stay in vancouver. or there could be a wildcard teams who would throw extra extra incentives for him that it will be hard to say no to.

 

[M2Beezy]

Brock Boeser

 

[ThatGuy22]

he'll likely go home to Minnesota offering the "best offer" or hes taking a discount to stay in vancouver. or there could be a wildcard teams who would throw extra extra incentives for him that it will be hard to say no to.

If Minnesota and Vancouver offer equal money, I suspect he'd end up in Minnesota.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

He’ll end up in Vancouver or Minnesota

 

[Hierso]

I don’t think his game would mesh well with either of Matthews or Nylander.

Matthews + any sniper feels redundant.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Him and Kaprizov would actually be disgusting to watch.

 

[57special]

Him and Kaprizov would actually be disgusting to watch.

Not better than what they have presently. Zuccarello has terrific chemistry with Kaprizov, and so does Boldy. I don't Boeser supplanting either, as he is more of a stright line guy than the other two.

I do see him on Rossi's wing, which could be very, very good for Brock. Rossi is a clever distributor... all he needs is a shooter with no conscience. Marcus Johansson and marcus Foligno sure as hell isn't it.

 

[StreetHawk]

Depends on the cap. Per the OP the OEL buyout goes up and Hoglander signed a new deal so those 2 moves alone would eat up the expected 5% cap increase to $92.5 mill. If the cap goes up more to $94-95 mill then Van can fit Brock in at a $1.5 - $1.8 mill cap increase into the low to mid $8 mill range.

Otherwise they would have to make a move to accommodate his cap charge.

 

[CanMerc]

Always thought he’d be a great fit in WPG

 

[57special]

He hit 40 goals last year, he's not signing anything that doesn't at least start with an 8

And 18 goals the year before that. His goal totals besides last year have never gotten out of the 20's. Which player would you be getting?

 

[MoneyManny]

He'll be 28/29 when the new contract kicks on, and on an 8 year deal the final year he'll be 35/36. Shea Theodore's contract is an example of what I'm talking about, and a good value comparison to Boeser. Starts at $9.5M and ends at $5.7M, with a cap hit of $7.425M. That's a 7 year contract though and he's a year older, so to apply the same standard directly to Boeser you add an extra $9.5M year at the start and get a cap hit of $7.68M over 8 years.

Looking at various long term contracts signed for players approaching 30 or older, some or structured like the above while others pay the same for the duration. I feel like that's the biggest factor for a 'team friendly' contract these days, as a GM can easily just pay a guy the same amount right to the end of the deal and chances are won't be around to deal with it then.

Not sure if front loading the deal is a good thing for Vancouver which are trying to compete now. I'd expect the opposite tbh.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Not sure if front loading the deal is a good thing for Vancouver which are trying to compete now. I'd expect the opposite tbh.

Front loading it really doesn’t matter for Vancouver as front loading/back loading doesn’t effect the year over year cap hit, just the actual salary paid out per year. The point of front loading an 8 year contract for Vancouver would be to lower the overall cap hit and make him easier to move in his later years when his actual salary would be lower.

 

[BCNate]

I think he will be 8-8.5 mil. I'm curious to see if guys start taking mid length deals (4-5 years), instead of long term ones with cap starting to see big increases.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think he will be 8-8.5 mil. I'm curious to see if guys start taking mid length deals (4-5 years), instead of long term ones with cap starting to see big increases.

The top guys like Matthews it probably makes sense for but for a guy like Boeser who’s battled injuries and inconsistency, his agent should be convincing him to lock in a long term deal.

 

[Menzinger]

And 18 goals the year before that. His goal totals besides last year have never gotten out of the 20's. Which player would you be getting?

It's definitely a gamble for whomever signs him, but he'll have suitors regardless

 

[maroon 6]

And 18 goals the year before that. His goal totals besides last year have never gotten out of the 20's. Which player would you be getting?

185 goals in 491 games, works out to 31 goals per 82 games

But yes staying healthy is a problem. Would definitely have 3 more seasons above 30 goals had he not been injured.

The 18 goal season is season is more of an outlier than the 40 goal season in my honest opinion.

 

[57special]

185 goals in 491 games, works out to 31 goals per 82 games

But yes staying healthy is a problem. Would definitely have 3 more seasons above 30 goals had he not been injured.

The 18 goal season is season is more of an outlier than the 40 goal season in my honest opinion.

They are both outliers. Ryan Hartman scored 34 goals a couple of years ago, but no one is claiming that he is a "30 goal scorer".

Boeser is a 25 goal scorer with an average two way game.