Proposal: Bring Matty Barzal Home- Canucks-Islanders

[UrbanImpact]

Lol get all the way out of here. Barzal and pettersson there isn't much of a gap and you want a number 1 dman on top of that plus a first lol your parents didn't teach you what realistic expectations are.

LMAO! " There isnt much of a gap"

Pettersson has had 3+ straight season of 30+ goals or more. Barzal has never even scored more than 23 goals in a season in his 8 year career.

and if you bring up assists,

Career Average/Season in Asssit

Petterson 48 Assist /season
Barzal 50 assist/season

 

[UrbanImpact]

JT Miller was away from November 19 to December 13. NHL.com shows EP was 22nd in scoring during that period, not second lol.


I keep saying it because it's reality. He's trending down in production, speed, shot power. All lower from 22-23 to 23-24 to 24-25. Who knows if we'll ever see fully healthy 100+ EP again.

Sure he is "trending down" to a 80-90 point 2 way 26 yr old centre. Whats that worth? Go look at comparable Forwards.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Sure he is "trending down" to a 80-90 point 2 way 26 yr old centre. Whats that worth? Go look at comparable Forwards.

He trended down to that last year. This year it's further down to a 70-80 point guy. Next year, who knows if he continues to decline. It's a gamble for any team trading for him. Hence, the lower trade value.

 

[NYI365]

I wouldn't touch EP rn, doubly if not triply so at that proposal

 

[JKG33]

and if you think Pettersson's contract is an overpay, whats your thought on Barzal at 9mil scoring averaging around 60 pts a year?

I mean yea Barzal's contract is an overpay, that's why EP's value is closer to him than Eichel. But I'd also wager once Barzal (and Dobson) leave the shitty Isles they'll start putting up more points.

 

[UrbanImpact]

He trended down to that last year. This year it's further down to a 70-80 point guy. Next year, who knows if he continues to decline. It's a gamble for any team trading for him. Hence, the lower trade value.

Okay cool so same can be applied with Dobson and Barzal yeah?

Dobson is trending down from a 70 point player to a 46 point player...

Barzal before injury was playing at a 38 point pace.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Okay cool so same can be applied with Dobson and Barzal yeah?

Dobson is trending down from a 70 point player to a 46 point player...

Barzal before injury was playing at a 38 point pace.

No because there's no worrying multi year trend. Barzal hit 80 points last year, Dobson hit 70 points, and in a defensive system to boot. Would be a horrifically bad trade for the isles. If they put up worse numbers this year, and then even worse numbers next year, then you could start that comparison.

 

[UrbanImpact]

No because there's no worrying multi year trend. Barzal hit 80 points last year, Dobson hit 70 points, and in a defensive system to boot. Would be a horrifically bad trade for the isles. If they put up worse numbers this year, and then even worse numbers next year, then you could start that comparison.

lol Goal post moved have a good day bro

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

How is that a goal post moved. EP is a multi year down trend, Barzal/Dobson isn't. It's quite simple to understand, you just don't like the reality of the situation.

 

[ToDavid]

beacuse they are getting the best player in the deal who happens to only be 26 yrs old and signed for 8 years.

That doesn't really count for much until he starts playing like an $11.6m player again.

Pettersson is the better player. He's certainly not Dobson + 1st better right now though.

 

[biturbo19]

Yeah, this is pretty brutal for the Islanders. Take out Dobson for a starters. I do think it might be possible to build a package around Barzal+ for Pettersson though. But it wouldn't include Dobson...and trying to build a package around Dobson for Pettersson doesn't work for Vancouver, because it leaves them without a 2C.


Barzal and Pulock or Romanov is probably a more realistic foundation to work off of. Pulock's contract is a bit scary though, as he seems to be declining and still has quite a few years left. But there is cost certainty there. Romanov...probably the sort of younger player the Isles would want to retool around anyway, and carries a lot of cost uncertainty as an impending RFA - though since the offense isn't really there, i'd say it's less risky than what Dobson is coming up on anyway.



Bigger problem though, is that i'm really not sure Mercurial Pete is really a "Lou type player". Pettersson is very much a non-conformist sort of player, and Lou likes his good footsoldiers (aka yes men who just say and do all the right things). Like Bowie.

 

[TGWL]

You make it sound so casual between an 80 point player vs a 100+ point player.

Since 2021-2022 Season - to date

Pettersson: 285 pts
Barzal: 195 pts


I'm not sure if Islanders should blow it up or not but having a strong core of Pettersson and Horvat down the middle would probably be more of a retool than a rebuild.

And if you take points per game during that time frame and x82, you get way less than the 20 difference per season. The case you're making here with those stats is that Pettersson plays more games. You can't call Pettersson a 100+ player and downplay another player's high.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Why would you keep the whiny, shitty, overpaid player and not the one who's a top 10 player in the league signed to a bargain of a contract?

Because one is 5 years younger, matches Quinn Hughes' timeline better, and has produced at a 100+ point pace without JT Miller.

 

[Glorydays22]

I dont believe or a second that the Canucks are entertaining the idea of trading a 100 point 2way 26 yr old Centre. However, I'd like to humor the thought in Friedman's head but targeting a better package than the underwhelming Cozens/Byram proposal.



Mathew Barzal, Noah Dobson, 1st round pick( top 10 protected)

for

Elias Pettersson, Nils Hoglander, Sawyer Mynio, 4th round pick


Boeser-Miller- Suter
Debrusk-Barzal-Sherwood
Joshua-Bleuger- Garland
Sasson-Raty- Heinen

Hughes- Hronek
Soucy- Dobson
Forbort- Myers
Extra: Desharnais, Branstrom, Juuslen, Friedman


Demko
Lankinen

This gives the Canucks 2 first picks this year as trade assets in case they really want to go all in and improve some of those positions.


Islanders get a franchise Centreman at 26yrs old and signed long term.

Sawyer Mynio is in the Canucks top 5 maybe even top 3 prospect list. Just Made Team Canada World Juniors. Excellent D-man, his game has been compared to Dan Hamhuis.

Some recent quote about Sawyer:

Al Murray, a two-time Stanley Cup champion and former director of scouting with both the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Los Angeles Kings, called him “the most improved player in junior hockey over the last two years.”

Thunderbirds general manager Bil La Forge calls him “an elite CHL defenseman, I mean his skating is elite. He can play special teams very well, both penalty killing and on the power play, he eats shots. I mean he blocks more shots than you probably want him to sometimes because he has to limp around. And then just the ability to defend speed and skill. With his movement and his hockey sense, he can really defend high-skill players.”


It’s Mynio’s “elite” skating, in particular, that O’Dette believes separates him.

“He has no trouble skating with anybody,” O’Dette said. “And for a very skilled guy, he has an edge to him. He’s hard to play against. He doesn’t back down from physicality. He maybe toes the line as far as chippiness. So there’s a lot to like about Sawyer.” - Odette, Tbirds Coach

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5987638/2024/12/12/sawyer-mynio-canucks-canada-world-juniors/

Easy "NO" from the isles

 

[GhostfaceWu]

LMAO! " There isnt much of a gap"

Pettersson has had 3+ straight season of 30+ goals or more. Barzal has never even scored more than 23 goals in a season in his 8 year career.

and if you bring up assists,

Career Average/Season in Asssit

Petterson 48 Assist /season
Barzal 50 assist/season

No shit one of them is more of a play maker. Doesn't mean they don't affect the game similarly which wooosh went right over your head. Even if you think.pettersson is better the difference isn't f***ing Dobson.

 

[JKG33]

Because one is 5 years younger, matches Quinn Hughes' timeline better, and has produced at a 100+ point pace without JT Miller.

Until the next teammate that hurts his feelings comes along. Or he's not in the mood. Or whatever goes on in that fragile head of his

 

[M2Beezy]

No way Mynio is just slid into this deal, nice try OP, really doubt Canucks have any interest in this deal unless Mynio is removed and at least another prospect or good pick is going back to the Canucks

 

[Isles72]

I'd be down for a shake up with ep40 and barzal as main pieces .

you'd need to offset the money somehow though , maybe Hoglander / Pageau or Soucy/Pelech

your dreaming if you think Isles are adding Dobson to the mix .

 

[howkie]

When you rage defend your standpoint and have no backup, just give up. Islanders would be worse of after this trade and when you do a retool you want to keep your first rounder and add assets, not give away them...

 

[StuckOutHere]

The Petterson discourse is so interesting because they really just shouldn't trade him but between people, media, etc it seems to be being willed into existence.

 

[jd22]

When you rage defend your standpoint and have no backup, just give up. Islanders would be worse of after this trade and when you do a retool you want to keep your first rounder and add assets, not give away them...

The OP is a known 'mainboard- only' Canucks fan that lives to post unrealistic and non-newsworthy Canuck things only. These people exist. Move on.

Bad proposal.

 

[JPT]

71 pts in a "regression year" as you call it would be Barzal's 3rd best season in his 8 years.

He has been dealing with tendinitis in his knee since the All Star-Break in February. Its not major and will eventually pass.

Like I said, Jack Eichel who had serious red flags about even being able to play again due to his neck injury and played 21 games the season before he was traded was able to get Tuch, Krebs , 1st. Eichel's best season before that and since was an 82 point season.

So no, i dont think im delusional about what it would cost to trade for Pettersson who has put up a 102 and 89 point season in his first 6 years.. Despite him having a "regression" on pace 71 point season he is still also very very good defensively and without the puck.

So he's been dealing with a knee injury for nearly a year that has significantly reduced his production, but it's Barzal's injury history that makes your lowball proposal somehow better? Makes sense.

 

[mm11]

LMAO! " There isnt much of a gap"

Pettersson has had 3+ straight season of 30+ goals or more. Barzal has never even scored more than 23 goals in a season in his 8 year career.

and if you bring up assists,

Career Average/Season in Asssit

Petterson 48 Assist /season
Barzal 50 assist/season

C'mon man look at the talent Petey had been passing to for years. Especially all those pp assists. Barzal does not and never had those weapons to use.

 

[Jozay]

Bro just casually threw in Dobson lol

 

[Mike C]

beacuse they are getting the best player in the deal who happens to only be 26 yrs old and signed for 8 years. Compared to Barzal who is only signed for 3 more years and Dobson who is RFA.

Not to mention the Isles get a top prospect as well in the trade with Mynio.


Compare it to the Eichel trade. and dont forget Eichel had way lessss value than Pettersson because of Eichel's neck injury.

Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs (17thOA, top prospect at the time) 1st round pick.


Elias Pettersson would easily beat out that return.

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