Proposal: Bring Matty Barzal Home- Canucks-Islanders

[UrbanImpact]

I dont believe or a second that the Canucks are entertaining the idea of trading a 100 point 2way 26 yr old Centre. However, I'd like to humor the thought in Friedman's head but targeting a better package than the underwhelming Cozens/Byram proposal.



Mathew Barzal, Noah Dobson, 1st round pick( top 10 protected)

for

Elias Pettersson, Nils Hoglander, Sawyer Mynio, 4th round pick


Boeser-Miller- Suter
Debrusk-Barzal-Sherwood
Joshua-Bleuger- Garland
Sasson-Raty- Heinen

Hughes- Hronek
Soucy- Dobson
Forbort- Myers
Extra: Desharnais, Branstrom, Juuslen, Friedman


Demko
Lankinen

This gives the Canucks 2 first picks this year as trade assets in case they really want to go all in and improve some of those positions.


Islanders get a franchise Centreman at 26yrs old and signed long term.

Sawyer Mynio is in the Canucks top 5 maybe even top 3 prospect list. Just Made Team Canada World Juniors. Excellent D-man, his game has been compared to Dan Hamhuis.

Some recent quote about Sawyer:

Al Murray, a two-time Stanley Cup champion and former director of scouting with both the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Los Angeles Kings, called him “the most improved player in junior hockey over the last two years.”

Thunderbirds general manager Bil La Forge calls him “an elite CHL defenseman, I mean his skating is elite. He can play special teams very well, both penalty killing and on the power play, he eats shots. I mean he blocks more shots than you probably want him to sometimes because he has to limp around. And then just the ability to defend speed and skill. With his movement and his hockey sense, he can really defend high-skill players.”


It’s Mynio’s “elite” skating, in particular, that O’Dette believes separates him.

“He has no trouble skating with anybody,” O’Dette said. “And for a very skilled guy, he has an edge to him. He’s hard to play against. He doesn’t back down from physicality. He maybe toes the line as far as chippiness. So there’s a lot to like about Sawyer.” - Odette, Tbirds Coach

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5987638/2024/12/12/sawyer-mynio-canucks-canada-world-juniors/

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[Snowman]

Why are the Islanders adding a 1st?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Isles say no

 

[seafoam]

Barzal for Pettersson

 

[icelander25]

Horrendous deal for the Isles. I won't trade Barzy and Dobson for Petterson let alone adding a 1st. The Isles already have no depth and trading Dobson without getting a top 4 D back would destroy us. I'd maybe do Barzy plus the pick, but even then I still have my questions.

 

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

BOGO Elias Pettersson also comes with the ghost of Elias Pettersson. They alternate places every 60 games.

Teams will line up for that kind of value.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Why are the Islanders adding a 1st?

beacuse they are getting the best player in the deal who happens to only be 26 yrs old and signed for 8 years. Compared to Barzal who is only signed for 3 more years and Dobson who is RFA.

Not to mention the Isles get a top prospect as well in the trade with Mynio.


Compare it to the Eichel trade. and dont forget Eichel had way lessss value than Pettersson because of Eichel's neck injury.

Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs (17thOA, top prospect at the time) 1st round pick.


Elias Pettersson would easily beat out that return.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Awful for the isles. Seems like nucks fans are trying to get big value for EP before everyone figures out that 100 point guy is long gone, and in reality it's an inconsistent, soft, anchor of a contract that's left.

 

[SI90]

This is horrendous for my isles. We can talk Barzal but adding Dobson and a 1st is a little wild lol

 

[miscs75]

Woof, would you like Sorokin for a cap dump while you’re at it?

 

[Weezeric]

beacuse they are getting the best player in the deal who happens to only be 26 yrs old and signed for 8 years. Compared to Barzal who is only signed for 3 more years and Dobson who is RFA.

Not to mention the Isles get a top prospect as well in the trade with Mynio.


Compare it to the Eichel trade. and dont forget Eichel had way lessss value than Pettersson because of Eichel's neck injury.

Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs (17thOA, top prospect at the time) 1st round pick.


Elias Pettersson would easily beat out that return.

So you’re equating Tuch to Barzal and Peyton Krebs to a 24 year old top pairing RHD?

 

[UrbanImpact]

Horrendous deal for the Isles. I won't trade Barzy and Dobson for Petterson let alone adding a 1st. The Isles already have no depth and trading Dobson without getting a top 4 D back would destroy us. I'd maybe do Barzy plus the pick, but even then I still have my questions.

Why do you need a top 4D now? are the Isles trying to compete? I thought they might want to retool.

Sawyer Mynio is definitely a top 4 D prospect with a chance to be top pairing. He is 2-3 years away though.


Barzy and a pick for Pettersson and you would still be hesitant? Really?

Barzy has a career average of .87 pts/g compared to Pettersson's 1.00 pts/g

Goals/per game

Barzy: .25 Goals/game
Petey: .40 Goals /game

Then you bring in the defensive metrics and the fact that Pettersson is 1.5 yrs younger..... These 2 arent even in the same Tier of level of play. Thats before we mention Barzal's injury woes.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Seems terrible for NYI

 

[UrbanImpact]

So you’re equating Tuch to Barzal and Peyton Krebs to a 24 year old top pairing RHD?

I'm saying any return for Pettersson will surpass Tuch, Krebs , 1st by a mile.

Then you add a top prospect like Mynio to Pettersson's value.....

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I'm saying any return for Pettersson will surpass Tuch, Krebs , 1st by a mile.

Then you add a top prospect like Mynio to Pettersson's value.....

Pettersson is on pace for 71 points and makes 11.6 million. I think you might be a bit delusional about his trade value.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Terrible trade for the Islanders.

 

[Peter Griffin]

This is awful for the Isles.

 

[Fjordy]

Very bad for Islanders.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Bad for Isles. Way too much.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Pettersson is on pace for 71 points and makes 11.6 million. I think you might be a bit delusional about his trade value.

Barzal is on pace for 13 pts and makes 9 mil.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Barzal is on pace for 13 pts and makes 9 mil.

He's only played 11 games. Had 80 points in 80 games last year in a very defensive isles system. There's something seriously wrong with EP, he's been regressing steadily since his 100 point season. Doesn't look like the same player anymore.

 

[MisterT]

beacuse they are getting the best player in the deal who happens to only be 26 yrs old and signed for 8 years. Compared to Barzal who is only signed for 3 more years and Dobson who is RFA.

Not to mention the Isles get a top prospect as well in the trade with Mynio.


Compare it to the Eichel trade. and dont forget Eichel had way lessss value than Pettersson because of Eichel's neck injury.

Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs (17thOA, top prospect at the time) 1st round pick.


Elias Pettersson would easily beat out that return.

Sure Homer.

 

[UrbanImpact]

He's only played 11 games. Had 80 points in 80 games last year in a very defensive isles system. There's something seriously wrong with EP, he's been regressing steadily since his 100 point season. Doesn't look like the same player anymore.

71 pts in a "regression year" as you call it would be Barzal's 3rd best season in his 8 years.

He has been dealing with tendinitis in his knee since the All Star-Break in February. Its not major and will eventually pass.

Like I said, Jack Eichel who had serious red flags about even being able to play again due to his neck injury and played 21 games the season before he was traded was able to get Tuch, Krebs , 1st. Eichel's best season before that and since was an 82 point season.

So no, i dont think im delusional about what it would cost to trade for Pettersson who has put up a 102 and 89 point season in his first 6 years.. Despite him having a "regression" on pace 71 point season he is still also very very good defensively and without the puck.

 

[WangMustGo]

Pettersson is a shell of his former self. Add in the fact that he has a monstrous contract and is want nothing to do with him.

71 pts in a "regression year" as you call it would be Barzal's 3rd best season in his 8 years.

He has been dealing with tendinitis in his knee since the All Star-Break in February. Its not major and will eventually pass.

Like I said, Jack Eichel who had serious red flags about even being able to play again due to his neck injury and played 21 games the season before he was traded was able to get Tuch, Krebs , 1st. Eichel's best season before that and since was an 82 point season.

So no, i dont think im delusional about what it would cost to trade for Pettersson who has put up a 102 and 89 point season in his first 6 years.. Despite him having a "regression" on pace 71 point season he is still also very very defensively and without the puck.

You may not think you are delusional, but everyone else knows you are delusional.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

71 pts in a "regression year" as you call it would be Barzal's 3rd best season in his 8 years.

He has been dealing with tendinitis in his knee since the All Star-Break in February. Its not major and will eventually pass.

Like I said, Jack Eichel who had serious red flags about even being able to play again due to his neck injury and played 21 games the season before he was traded was able to get Tuch, Krebs , 1st. Eichel's best season before that and since was an 82 point season.

So no, i dont think im delusional about what it would cost to trade for Pettersson who has put up a 102 and 89 point season in his first 6 years.. Despite him having a "regression" on pace 71 point season he is still also very very defensively and without the puck.

Eichel is a better player than EP. If EP was the player you say, yall wouldn't be so desperate to trade him. He regressed last year, further regressing this year. Would be insane to trade major assets for him with that trend.