Value of: Brian Dumoulin

[WhatTheDuck]

Curious to know which teams may be interested in Dumoulin before the deadline and/or this summer as a free agent? What would you project him to fetch as a rental, and on his next contract?

Just turned 33 in September. Good size and cup winning experience. The move to Anaheim seems to have worked for rebuilding some value, he's playing heavier minutes than he was getting in Seattle - back around that 20 per game mark that he has seen for most of his career.

Definitely wouldn't be seen as an "upgrade" to a contending team's top 4, but definitely would solidify your 4-6 group with an experienced minute eater.

I'd be happy to keep him on a short term deal in Anaheim - but there's been talk that he'd prefer to return East and we have added another veteran defender in Trouba. Moving out Dumoulin as a rental just makes sense, we can roll our lefties and righties all on their proper side and still have good balance with Lacombe, Zellweger, Mintyukov, Trouba, Gudas, Helleson/Luneau.

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[Jared Dunn]

Feels like 3rd rounder territory @50%

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Feels like 3rd rounder territory @50%

Really just depends how many dmen are actively being sold on that day

Would be a nice depth piece for a team to add for a cup run, specially those teams that lack much help in the 5-6-7 d spot

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Feels like 3rd rounder territory @50%

I think that's probably on the lower end but maybe not. For me he has a slight bit more going for him (Cup experience, many years of playing top 4 mins including this year) that will slide him in ahead of your average veteran bottom pair guy who pulls a third rounder most deadlines. The Ducks got a third out of Lybushkin last deadline for example - Dumoulin is at least a solid notch better. I was thinking a late 2nd and maybe a smaller add, especially if we are talking about full retention. He's more of a top 4 depth addition rather than just a bottom pairing add.

 

[bashbros32]

Really just depends how many dmen are actively being sold on that day

Would be a nice depth piece for a team to add for a cup run, specially those teams that lack much help in the 5-6-7 d spot

Not saying cup run (although would be nice) but that sounds like the Ottawa Senators music!

Travis Hamonic and Jacob Bernard-Docker being your 6-7 is not a very good spot to be, especially pushing for playoffs.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Not saying cup run (although would be nice) but that sounds like the Ottawa Senators music!

Travis Hamonic and Jacob Bernard-Docker being your 6-7 is not a very good spot to be, especially pushing for playoffs.

Undoubtedly a better veteran D than Hamonic. I mean no offense by this as I live in Sens territory but I do question whether Dumoulin would waive his NTC for Ottawa. American player who has only ever played for US teams, I wouldn't be surprised if the Canadian clubs are all on his 10 team list...

 

[Thechozen1]

Seems like a low key type of move Chevy likes to make. Would rather have Dumoulin at 3LD than Logan Stanley.

 

[David71]

would vancouver be interested for third pairing veteraness? alongside myers. thats IF they find a LHD top 4 for their second pairing.

 

[Djp]

Hes a vet D that playoff teams acquire for vet depth at the deadline for a pkayoff run.

He might return a late 3rd but I think a 4/5&7 is more likely or a secondary prospect+4/5/6

 

[quackquackquack]

He's way more solid than I expected. Dumo will definitely help out a contending team (2nd/3rd for Dumo retained)

 

[Static]

If lyubushkin can pull a late third then I feel dumo can pull a late second.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I think that's probably on the lower end but maybe not. For me he has a slight bit more going for him (Cup experience, many years of playing top 4 mins including this year) that will slide him in ahead of your average veteran bottom pair guy who pulls a third rounder most deadlines. The Ducks got a third out of Lybushkin last deadline for example - Dumoulin is at least a solid notch better. I was thinking a late 2nd and maybe a smaller add, especially if we are talking about full retention. He's more of a top 4 depth addition rather than just a bottom pairing add.

I think that's kind of a right side premium on Boosh. Leafs also paid a 3rd rounder for Joel Edmundson and I don't really see reason why Dumoulin would be worth more than him, but depends on the market ultimately

 

[robbieboy3686]

If lyubushkin can pull a late third then I feel dumo can pull a late second.

This

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I think that's kind of a right side premium on Boosh. Leafs also paid a 3rd rounder for Joel Edmundson and I don't really see reason why Dumoulin would be worth more than him, but depends on the market ultimately

I don't think the right side premium is enough to close the gap between a #4/5 type guy and a #6/7...Dumoulin is a notably better player with a much greater track record.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Undoubtedly a better veteran D than Hamonic. I mean no offense by this as I live in Sens territory but I do question whether Dumoulin would waive his NTC for Ottawa. American player who has only ever played for US teams, I wouldn't be surprised if the Canadian clubs are all on his 10 team list...

Doubt this is an issue for a rental trade.

I like Dumoulin, he is an upgrade at our #5 spot (e.x. 3rd pair LD) but we would still be playing Hamonic or JBD in the #6 spot (3rd pair RD).

Ideally, we would parlay JBD into a legit #5 for 3rd pair RD, with Kleven sliding down to our #6 slot while remaining 3rd LD.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Still think he ends up in Vancouver.

 

[DanyHeatley]

Not saying cup run (although would be nice) but that sounds like the Ottawa Senators music!

Travis Hamonic and Jacob Bernard-Docker being your 6-7 is not a very good spot to be, especially pushing for playoffs.

OTT doesn’t meet another LD, they need a RD that can defend and move the puck

 

[bashbros32]

OTT doesn’t meet another LD, they need a RD that can defend and move the puck

Ottawa needs D depth... doesn't matter the side... If one of Chabot or Sandy gets injured they are relying on Tyler Kleven to play top 4 minutes... that ain't good, especially considering they are currently playing Hamonic as the #4...

 

[DanyHeatley]

Ottawa needs D depth... doesn't matter the side... If one of Chabot or Sandy gets injured they are relying on Tyler Kleven to play top 4 minutes... that ain't good, especially considering they are currently playing Hamonic as the #4...

Pretty much like 80% of the other teams if on of their top 4 D go out.

You’re right, I would love more depth on defence but realistically speaking, since were tight on cap space, if we do add, it’s got to be a top 4 RD (for a contract coming out from us) and a F on an ELC. Depth is a luxury we can’t afford rn.

 

[Ciao]

Same guy that went for a fourth in July?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Same guy that went for a fourth in July?

Doesn’t work like that. He was traded away to shed salary. And it’s not unheard of for a player to gain value throughout the season. Not saying he’s pulling in a top pick, but he’s certainly worth a 3rd or possibly more. He’s exactly what playoff teams look for at the deadline.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

He's way more solid than I expected. Dumo will definitely help out a contending team (2nd/3rd for Dumo retained)

Think he could still help a contender on the bottom pair for sure. His last season in Pittsburgh he looked cooked because he was still being used on the top pairing with Letang.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Same guy that went for a fourth in July?

Not sure what the story was on his season in Seattle last year, but it seems to be an anomaly in terms of being the only season of his career where he didn't eat top 4 minutes. The Ducks basically got him as a cap dump, but he's been quite steady and is the type of Dman teams tend to be looking for at the deadline. They'll definitely be able to flip him for some sort of profit (even to just pay for retention), just a matter of how much.

 

[Gliff]

Same guy that went for a fourth in July?

Ducks got Lyubushkin for a 4th, traded him 6 months later for a 3rd.
Ducks got Kulikov for future considerations, traded him 6 months later for a 3rd.

Dumolin has been FAR better then either of those guys when they were with the Ducks. If they cant get more then a 3rd for him I would rather keep him and try to resign.

 

[FiveTacos]

Doesn’t work like that. He was traded away to shed salary. And it’s not unheard of for a player to gain value throughout the season. Not saying he’s pulling in a top pick, but he’s certainly worth a 3rd or possibly more. He’s exactly what playoff teams look for at the deadline.

Exactly, playoff teams up against the cap would rather rent a player for a few months, instead of taking on the salary for the entire year.

One team is effectively retaining salary as a middleman (while taking on the risk of injury before being able to sell), and the cost is a pick upgrade.

Also one has to consider that the Ducks' pick is likely to be a high 4th vs a renting team's pick which tends to be late in whatever round. So a 3rd from a playoff team isn't a huge jump in price.