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Unprecedented Dramatic Overpayments
- Oct 9, 2015
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It’s up there...Do you honestly think for one second that Matthews has the worst contract in the league from a team perspective?
It’s up there...Do you honestly think for one second that Matthews has the worst contract in the league from a team perspective?
yea he's an employee of the team , what is it you think he is ?incompetent employee lol, you are something man.
you can try to spin it any way you like but the entire league was shocked at how hard Dubas got bent over
the gap between McD and Mathews is greater than the gap between Mathews and EichelBecause Matthews has been orders of magnitude better than Eichel as a franchise cornerstone and that is usually expressed in more money, and in this case a shorter term as well so Matthews can make even more money than Eichel across the full 8 years.
Except that he didn't. Not trying to say you're shit at math but it clearly doesn't seem to be a strong suit. Matthews value relative to the cap is a couple % lower than McDavid and it's only a bit higher than the traditional contracts that have been signed by players who have put up his type of #s. Honestly, if you're going to bitch about a point atleast get your facts straight.the gap between McD and Mathews is greater than the gap between Mathews and Eichel
yet Mathews got a better deal than the guy who's head and shoulders the best player in the game yet people are trying to defend the Dube
it's the GM's and players reaction that's important and he's an agent best friend the way he keeps resetting the bar higherTo be honest, outside of Hfboards cap debates I don't see much talk about Matthews contract.
Majority of the world turned a blind eye. He's just a player you feel lucky to have and it supports the fact that a different economy exists when it comes to players like him.
It is what it is. Alternative is to skip him in the draft and take someone less special.
why are you ignoring the term of the deals ?Except that he didn't. Not trying to say you're **** at math but it clearly doesn't seem to be a strong suit. Matthews value relative to the cap is a couple % lower than McDavid and it's only a bit higher than the traditional contracts that have been signed by players who have put up his type of #s. Honestly, if you're going to ***** about a point atleast get your facts straight.
I'm not saying Matty did us any favors with his deal but he certainly didnt rip the Leafs off. McDavid genuinely took a discount and he even said in interviews after signing his deal that he left a million per on the table to help the Oilers out. Unfortunately for him that savings went to Milan Lucic. Lol
it's the GM's and players reaction that's important and he's an agent best friend the way he keeps resetting the bar higher
the alternative was to have hired a competent GM , this idiot is destroying our cap and burning assets yet some fans are just ignoring how incompetent he is due to not wanting to believe the person running there team is a clueless fool
What good players have we lost because of overpayments by Dubas?it's the GM's and players reaction that's important and he's an agent best friend the way he keeps resetting the bar higher
the alternative was to have hired a competent GM , this idiot is destroying our cap and burning assets yet some fans are just ignoring how incompetent he is due to not wanting to believe the person running there team is a clueless fool
i guess you missed the reaction by the league at that time , funny how that happens lolNeed more evidence.
Nylander is in line with his comparables. Comes down to preference after that. You want player x for 6.something mil or you want player y instead.
Marner is currently in a lockout.
So far, Dubas never caved to anyone regardless of Mr. Waffle spews around here. It's been the opposite. Nylander was going to miss the entire season if he didn't bring the AAV down last minute.
Kapanen and Johnsson not only got good deals but Dubas set the market for all similar tier players that followed. Everyone and the league was okay with these AAV's.
So we have Auston Matthews. Borderline generational player. 6'3 beast who can skate and has a shot that puts him ahead of Joe Sakic at the same age. The one dude Dubas didn't hesitate to give a monster contract to was the one piece we've been waiting 10+ years to find.
Yeah I'm going to need more evidence before I turn my back on Dubas.
Dude already shed the dead weight off the team and fixed our transition game as well.
You don't have the firepower to prove he's incompetent.
We know McDavid “took less” to sign. Matthews squeezed every last penny possible out of his situation. Maybe that happens again in 5 years and boom Matthews makes more than McDavid?First of all you have no clue if he will make more. You don't know his next contact.
Secondly, you can say that for a single year, then McDavid blows that contract out of the water.
Leafs are in a better situation, this ensures Matthews will always have a lower AAV then McDavid (other then the 2 years of 500k more).
going to the old hypothetical excuse , good on you to bring that out , lolWhat good players have we lost because of overpayments by Dubas?
Need more evidence.
Nylander is in line with his comparables. Comes down to preference after that. You want player x for 6.something mil or you want player y instead.
Marner is currently in a lockout.
So far, Dubas never caved to anyone regardless of Mr. Waffle spews around here. It's been the opposite. Nylander was going to miss the entire season if he didn't bring the AAV down last minute.
Kapanen and Johnsson not only got good deals but Dubas set the market for all similar tier players that followed. Everyone and the league was okay with these AAV's.
So we have Auston Matthews. Borderline generational player. 6'3 beast who can skate and has a shot that puts him ahead of Joe Sakic at the same age. The one dude Dubas didn't hesitate to give a monster contract to was the one piece we've been waiting 10+ years to find.
Yeah I'm going to need more evidence before I turn my back on Dubas.
Dude already shed the dead weight off the team and fixed our transition game as well.
You don't have the firepower to prove he's incompetent.
the gap between McD and Mathews is greater than the gap between Mathews and Eichel
yet Mathews got a better deal than the guy who's head and shoulders the best player in the game yet people are trying to defend the Dube
They will be on the same team then dude.We know McDavid “took less” to sign. Matthews squeezed every last penny possible out of his situation. Maybe that happens again in 5 years and boom Matthews makes more than McDavid?
nothing hypothetical about you giving real examples of real players we've lost due to real overpayments. Well, other than you making it up that Dubas has screwed the teamgoing to the old hypothetical excuse , good on you to bring that out , lol
i never said Mathews made more , i said he had better contract when you factor in the termMcDavid makes more money on his AAV than Matthews. You're all over the place.
Took someone long enough.They will be on the same team then dude.
Burke's fan club used the same arguments , your not being witty or original .nothing hypothetical about you giving real examples of real players we've lost due to real overpayments. Well, other than you making it up that Dubas has screwed the team
so no examples of these disastrous overpayments actually affecting the team in any way. thought soBurke's fan club used the same arguments , your not being witty or original .
but hey who cares how much he overpays because it's our duty to defend our GM's every move just like we did with Burke
Matthews took market value. Even with his 5 year term. I dont know why you're making it out like he took Dubas and the Leafs to the woodshed. Are you going to blame the GM and the team for not being able to convince a rising star to not give the team a discount? Give me a break. It's a two way street. Also you responding to my comment I'm not going back 10 years. I'm talking every major close to PPG player and high goal scorer coming out of their ELC. Matthews took a deal that puts him on par with what every other guy has been getting for years. His number seems inflated because the cap is sitting at a high number so the % pie looks bigger.i never said Mathews made more , i said he had better contract when you factor in the term
only a delusional homer would believe overpaying players doesn't affect what you can spend on the remainder of the roster but carry on believing otherwise if you chooseso no examples of these disastrous overpayments actually affecting the team in any way. thought so
I agree it does. Unfortunately, by your own admission there's been no such impact on the Leafs. That should tell you somethingonly a delusional homer would believe overpaying players doesn't affect what you can spend on the remainder of the roster but carry on believing otherwise if you choose
why are you ignoring the term of the deals ?
traditional contracts ? yea lets go back 10 plus years to Malkin because no one else has had that cap hit % at that term and Geno was the better player when he signed coming off his elc
just have to ask though , when you and others are inventing endless excuses to defend Dubas , do you think you're standing up for the honor of the team ?
name the recent comparable's your using to base you your opinion on that AM signed for market value and please factor in termMatthews took market value. Even with his 5 year term. I don't know why you're making it out like he took Dubas and the Leafs to the woodshed. Are you going to blame the GM and the team for not being able to convince a rising star to not give the team a discount? Give me a break. It's a two way street. Also you responding to my comment I'm not going back 10 years. I'm talking every major close to PPG player and high goal scorer coming out of their ELC. Matthews took a deal that puts him on par with what every other guy has been getting for years. His number seems inflated because the cap is sitting at a high number so the % pie looks bigger.
You are literally going on and on complaining about the leafs management and Dubas with no actual facts to backup your argument. Please stop making yourself look foolish. At the end of the day, if a player gets what they deserve that's not a loss for the franchise or the fans. Mitch Marner is deserving of a 8%-11% pie of the cap right now on a 5+ year deal. The reason theres no movement in negotiations is because hes trying to set the market for what RFA 1st contract wingers are worth. No GM is going to play along. If Matty tried to pull the same **** we wouldn't have a contract with him either. Marner as of right now deserves about 8.5-10 mil per. If Dubas pays more than that then you can legitimately roast him because then you would have a valid argument.
I'm not a betting man but I see Mitch signing a bridge at 6.5-8.5 for 2-3 years because that's market value. Precisely why Jake Gardiner hasn't signed yet either because at that bridge number we have enough cap left over to give jake a nice chunk of change on a 1 year deal.