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Player Discussion Brendan Gallagher: all heart, no hands

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Leon Lucius Black said:
I think the best option is to find some GMs out there who could have a man-crush on Gallagher like Bergevin did and try to take a bad contract in return with less term.

Just throwing out a couple options:

NYI - Lamorielo loves grinders and gritty players, perhaps something around Gallagher and Palmieri could work given he's struggled there.
EDM - Holland is a disaster, given he gave huge term to Hyman perhaps he could take Gallagher too. They have contracts with shorter term to guys like Kassian, Barrie or Ceci that could come back.

Another option could be a team like Pittsburgh who have a few years left to go all in. Maybe they could do something around one of their Ds with lots of term left on their deals like Petterrson or Matheson (former Hughes client) for Gally.
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The thing is with grinders, they’re a rare breed nowadays and if you are bringing in that type of player, you want them with size. Gallagher may get into a goalies face, but he’s a runt that doesn’t offer a whole lot more which makes him essentially useless. At least guys like Lucic could be thrown into a bottom 6 role even if he was grossly overpaid. Gallagher is a huge problem if he doesn’t rebound and he’s been bad for awhile now.
 
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His contract is not great but we don't yet know if this decline is permanent. No one has had a good year this year so no need to make a decision on him yet. The cap hit is manageable in the short term as we won't need to spend money over next 2 years. Probably better to get Weber's off the books to avoid the bonus implication of LTIR in the short term. Better than paying assets or retaining now to move Gallagher only to watch him rebound somewhere else.
Keep him for at least 2 years takes you to the end of 23-24. If he has really dropped off and you need the cap space a buyout in June 2024 with 3 years left is manageable.

24-25 You actually gain 333K of cap space
25-26 you have a $2.166M hit
26-27 is the bad one with a $4.667M hit and then its 3 years thereafter at 2,167M

Hold on one more year and buyout in June 2025 its
25-26 1.75M hit
26-27 4.25M
two years at 1.75M
 
Gallagher is not "bouncing back". He hasn't looked good for 2-3 seasons now. He'll be lucky to score 20, let alone play a full season. They need to move on from him asap. I don't care that the whole team is bad this year. Just watch him skate. Watch him shoot. He's been declining steadily. It's very clear he's not going to suddenly regain some speed or whatever shot he previously had (which really wasn't great to begin with). The guy got by on pure heart for his whole career. Now his body is failing him.
 
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schwang26 said:
Gallagher is not "bouncing back". He hasn't looked good for 2-3 seasons now. He'll be lucky to score 20, let alone play a full season. They need to move on from him asap. I don't care that the whole team is bad this year. Just watch him skate. Watch him shoot. He's been declining steadily. It's very clear he's not going to suddenly regain some speed or whatever shot he previously had (which really wasn't great to begin with). The guy got by on pure heart for his whole career. Now his body is failing him.
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Bro he scored 14 in 35 last season for god sake!

There's biased and then there's @schwang26
 
schwang26 said:
Gallagher is not "bouncing back". He hasn't looked good for 2-3 seasons now. He'll be lucky to score 20, let alone play a full season. They need to move on from him asap. I don't care that the whole team is bad this year. Just watch him skate. Watch him shoot. He's been declining steadily. It's very clear he's not going to suddenly regain some speed or whatever shot he previously had (which really wasn't great to begin with). The guy got by on pure heart for his whole career. Now his body is failing him.
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He was also done after his injury in 2017. Let's see what he could bring next year, after a full summer.
 
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CDN24 said:
His contract is not great but we don't yet know if this decline is permanent. No one has had a good year this year so no need to make a decision on him yet. The cap hit is manageable in the short term as we won't need to spend money over next 2 years. Probably better to get Weber's off the books to avoid the bonus implication of LTIR in the short term. Better than paying assets or retaining now to move Gallagher only to watch him rebound somewhere else.
Keep him for at least 2 years takes you to the end of 23-24. If he has really dropped off and you need the cap space a buyout in June 2024 with 3 years left is manageable.

24-25 You actually gain 333K of cap space
25-26 you have a $2.166M hit
26-27 is the bad one with a $4.667M hit and then its 3 years thereafter at 2,167M

Hold on one more year and buyout in June 2025 its
25-26 1.75M hit
26-27 4.25M
two years at 1.75M
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Or you retain at 50% and trade him to a team at a 3.25m
 
Belial said:
Bro he scored 14 in 35 last season for god sake!

There's biased and then there's @schwang26
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Gallagher is shooting 4.5%, his lowest season prior to this was 5.3% in 2016-2017 and then he rebounded with 31 goals the next year. Despite his awful year, he is still generating plenty of chances so I think his downfall this year is being exaggerated.

I doubt we see Gallagher put up 30 goals again, but I won't be surprised to see him bounce back to over 20 next year.
 
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FF de Mars said:
I doubt there are takers. Thing is Gallagher is tired, he didn't have time at all to train after last year's run, and all of the other playoff rounds he played. Training is his specialty, he's hardworking, he'll make the best out of his time this summer. I bet he'll have a come back season next year. Remember Marty St-Louis too had a bad season after signing his big contract. Obviously this is a dangerous long term contract Bergevin gave him and I wish he didn't, but you have to keep looking at the bright side otherwise everything will turn dark. Hence I bet on Gallagher.
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Alex Killorn had a short offseason too and had to rehab a ton of injuries too.

The risk with betting on Gallagher is if he’s bad next season too then it’s all over and he becomes immovable. Right now we can possibly ship him to Ottawa or Buffalo or Arizona and only pay a first round pick.
 
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ExpatHabs said:
Alex Killorn had a short offseason too and had to rehab a ton of injuries too.

The risk with betting on Gallagher is if he’s bad next season too then it’s all over and he becomes immovable. Right now we can possibly ship him to Ottawa or Buffalo or Arizona and only pay a first round pick.
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I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. If you were to pay draft picks for a team to take Gallagher's contract, that said team wouldn't make the trade based on Gallagher's performances. Hence if he falls flat on his face next year you could still trade him for picks. I just looked at his numbers and what pops to my eyes is how few goals he scored this year. I think those missing goals are both a result of the bad season the team had and injuries/lack of time to rest. I expect Gallagher to return being a 20 goal scorer next year because it would ressemble the trend of his career more than the mere 5 goals he scored this year. You need to surround Gallagher with good players and let him do his thing! He's only 29, he's not finished.
 
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FF de Mars said:
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. If you were to pay draft picks for a team to take Gallagher's contract, that said team wouldn't make the trade based on Gallagher's performances. Hence if he falls flat on his face next year you could still trade him for picks. I just looked at his numbers and what pops to my eyes is how few goals he scored this year. I think those missing goals are both a result of the bad season the team had and injuries/lack of time to rest. I expect Gallagher to return being a 20 goal scorer next year because it would ressemble the trend of his career more than the mere 5 goals he scored this year. You need to surround Gallagher with good players and let him do his thing! He's only 29, he's not finished.
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Gallagher is easily top 30 in the NHL in terms of 5v5 ixG/60 this season. He has been on of the best 5v5 goal scorers for his entire career. He has zero 5v5 goals this year.

Trading Gallagher now, when he's having chart-breaking bad luck, is a pretty dumb idea.
 
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FF de Mars said:
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. If you were to pay draft picks for a team to take Gallagher's contract, that said team wouldn't make the trade based on Gallagher's performances. Hence if he falls flat on his face next year you could still trade him for picks. I just looked at his numbers and what pops to my eyes is how few goals he scored this year. I think those missing goals are both a result of the bad season the team had and injuries/lack of time to rest. I expect Gallagher to return being a 20 goal scorer next year because it would ressemble the trend of his career more than the mere 5 goals he scored this year. You need to surround Gallagher with good players and let him do his thing! He's only 29, he's not finished.
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Captain Mountain said:
Gallagher is easily top 30 in the NHL in terms of 5v5 ixG/60 this season. He has been on of the best 5v5 goal scorers for his entire career. He has zero 5v5 goals this year.

Trading Gallagher now, when he's having chart-breaking bad luck, is a pretty dumb idea.
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Good arguments but I don’t buy the bad luck angle.

Some players have a bad year — yes. But Gallagher was bad in the playoffs last year too.

If he takes a long summer to recover then okay, let’s hope he does, but what if he doesn’t? Then he won’t be [Cap Dump + Potential Reclamation Project w/ Intangibles] he’ll simply be [Cap Dump] and worth even less. Also older, potential risk of further injury, etc.

That said, the chart showing how unlucky he’s been is pretty stark. Hopefully he finishes the season hot.
 
ExpatHabs said:
Good arguments but I don’t buy the bad luck angle.

Some players have a bad year — yes. But Gallagher was bad in the playoffs last year too.

If he takes a long summer to recover then okay, let’s hope he does, but what if he doesn’t? Then he won’t be [Cap Dump + Potential Reclamation Project w/ Intangibles] he’ll simply be [Cap Dump] and worth even less. Also older, potential risk of further injury, etc.

That said, the chart showing how unlucky he’s been is pretty stark. Hopefully he finishes the season hot.
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In the worst case where Gallagher continues to decline you buy him out. It's quite cheap and is going to be a better deal capwise then any trade you could do.
 
Rationally I want him traded because I don't see him as a core guy moving forward, but I also have dumb fan reasons like finding his whole schtick very grating at this point, but I don't think it makes sense as of now to just dump him in the summer unless the offer is respectable. I would trade him this summer because I think his trade value around the league will be fine. Someone will believe in him as the answer in their top 6 after they lose in the 1st round and decide they need grit. They'll figure out a bad contract they can send back to make 6.5M work, and we'll still get a solid return. That being said, I don't think it's the end of the world if they don't trade him nor do I think this summer will be the absolute last chance to do it.

The tapdancing on his grave is quite premature and I'm not really convinced that he's just a completely washed up 10 goal 25 point 3rd liner forever now. His individual impacts are fine, he had weird usage under Ducharme and has just been snakebit since MSL while his individual xG impacts have stayed where they always are. He's a career 9.8% shooter that's shooting 4.5% this year. If we have to keep him it's not the end of the world, and I'm pretty bullish on a bounceback next year and the potential for a trade in summer 2023. If he struggles next year it is what it is, he's still capable enough to keep around as a vet for a while and you can eventually just LTIR him or buy him out.
 
6.5 million for a 3rd/4th line player without skill who can’t produce…

We could have kept Danault at 5.5 thanks Bergy :thumbd:
 
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