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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
triplcrown beat you to it--Sabres board has been gracious enough to give us a lot of feedback that seems genuine and honest.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1719093&highlight=mcnabb
Short summary, seems like people disagree on where he fits, but seems to be a good #4 at best, bottom pairing ideally due to lack of footspeed and brains (sounds like a lefty matt greene with a shot honestly). I said it will be interesting to see Voynov be the vet guy on the pairing instead of being insulated with Mitchell/Regehr. I smell growing pains and a lot of panic ahead
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1719093&highlight=mcnabb
Short summary, seems like people disagree on where he fits, but seems to be a good #4 at best, bottom pairing ideally due to lack of footspeed and brains (sounds like a lefty matt greene with a shot honestly). I said it will be interesting to see Voynov be the vet guy on the pairing instead of being insulated with Mitchell/Regehr. I smell growing pains and a lot of panic ahead
PJ Kings Hockey
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triplcrown beat you to it--Sabres board has been gracious enough to give us a lot of feedback that seems genuine and honest.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1719093&highlight=mcnabb
Short summary, seems like people disagree on where he fits, but seems to be a good #4 at best, bottom pairing ideally due to lack of footspeed and brains (sounds like a lefty matt greene with a shot honestly). I said it will be interesting to see Voynov be the vet guy on the pairing instead of being insulated with Mitchell/Regehr. I smell growing pains and a lot of panic ahead
I still would rather hear from Manch-fans. I think they could give us the most insight
why would they give more insight compared to sabres/amerks fans when he's been in our organization for a couple years?
Eagle Fang
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
McNabb seems to be a pretty polarizing figure on this board so far, we have some people calling him the next Phaneuf and others saying he may not even make the team and that we overpaid for him.
I am stuck right in the middle, I am expecting a #4 down the line, but someone who is going to sit a bit this year, probably in a rotation with Greene. He is going to struggle like most first year defenders do, but hopefully by the end of the season he can be counted on to play if needed in the playoffs.
McNabb is pretty much filling the role the Kings expected Forbort to fill when they drafted him, but with Forbort's stalled development they had to go out and pick up that 22-25 year old d-man who can grow into a solid 2nd pairing guy. It was a necessary trade, lets just hope Fasching isn't to good.
I am stuck right in the middle, I am expecting a #4 down the line, but someone who is going to sit a bit this year, probably in a rotation with Greene. He is going to struggle like most first year defenders do, but hopefully by the end of the season he can be counted on to play if needed in the playoffs.
McNabb is pretty much filling the role the Kings expected Forbort to fill when they drafted him, but with Forbort's stalled development they had to go out and pick up that 22-25 year old d-man who can grow into a solid 2nd pairing guy. It was a necessary trade, lets just hope Fasching isn't to good.
KopitarFAN
Reno Sucks!
I think I recall whoever said that saying Phaneuf-light. Or something along those lines.
Because they have seen other d-men who are now on the Kings come through the system and make the jump.
They woukd be more qualified to say whether he is ahead or behind where Voynov or Muzzin were when they were about to make the jump
Right. They could, but they haven't seen him as much as we have. They couldn't possibly offer more insight because we know the player much more than them.
KingCanadain1976
Registered User
I think both options are good. I think posting it in here will get more kings fans posting there observations on him. I know myself I don't normally go to other forums so in order to get monarch fans who seen him its best to post it in both. The more opinions the better i think.
HYORI 1963
Grit & Character
That's exactly what I called him. Some posters just like to exaggerate to make their point.
KingCanadain1976
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I asked this on the sabres board and i think i need to ask it here as well. How accurate is his shot? and how good is he at one timers? I think if hes decent in both he will help our power play alot.
damacles1156
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Not better than Muzzin or Slava(at same development point), Less mobile than both. Although McNabb is thick and uses angles well.
Tremendous Shot, average accuracy, he will produce if he gets PP time.
Has an edge, likes to hit people and muck up the corners, won't be in front of the net punishing people (Matt Greene) won't do.
Will be a steady guy that has growing pains, lack of foot speed will cause him to make mistakes.
Just have to live with it, Forbort/Gravel are not ready. I actually think Forbort is going to be better than McNabb it will just take longer.
Forbort/Gravel have way better hockey IQ, and skating ability.
Tremendous Shot, average accuracy, he will produce if he gets PP time.
Has an edge, likes to hit people and muck up the corners, won't be in front of the net punishing people (Matt Greene) won't do.
Will be a steady guy that has growing pains, lack of foot speed will cause him to make mistakes.
Just have to live with it, Forbort/Gravel are not ready. I actually think Forbort is going to be better than McNabb it will just take longer.
Forbort/Gravel have way better hockey IQ, and skating ability.
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Strengths:
Frame
Physical
Bomb of a shot
Can log big minutes
Good offensively
Good transition D-man
Weaknesses:
Inaccurate shot
Bad skater
Poor hockey sense (some defensive zone) brain farts
Takes a lot of risks which will leave his partner out to dry
Thoughts: Apparently he'll be partnered with Slava Voynov? If ture that'd be awesome for him. A smooth skating, safe D-man like Voynov is a really good mix with the risky McNabb. McNabb is also a good possession D-man and would be a very good trigger man for the Kings. I noticed in the playoffs that Richards is on the point, if they decide to cut ties with Richards (which I wouldn't do) McNabb would be a perfect addition to the kings PP. His slapper is clocked in at 101.18 MPH at the AHL skills competition. The comparison that makes the most sens would be a poor man's Dion Phaneuf. Big hitter, heavy shot, bad hockey sense and bad skating. He'll probably be a very good partner for Voynov on the Kings 2nd pair and on the kings PP. Oh and another thing, he's not a shutdown D-man. If the kings try and turn him into one it won't go well. He's not like Willie Mitchel or Greene or Regehr. He's more like Franson.
Frame
Physical
Bomb of a shot
Can log big minutes
Good offensively
Good transition D-man
Weaknesses:
Inaccurate shot
Bad skater
Poor hockey sense (some defensive zone) brain farts
Takes a lot of risks which will leave his partner out to dry
Thoughts: Apparently he'll be partnered with Slava Voynov? If ture that'd be awesome for him. A smooth skating, safe D-man like Voynov is a really good mix with the risky McNabb. McNabb is also a good possession D-man and would be a very good trigger man for the Kings. I noticed in the playoffs that Richards is on the point, if they decide to cut ties with Richards (which I wouldn't do) McNabb would be a perfect addition to the kings PP. His slapper is clocked in at 101.18 MPH at the AHL skills competition. The comparison that makes the most sens would be a poor man's Dion Phaneuf. Big hitter, heavy shot, bad hockey sense and bad skating. He'll probably be a very good partner for Voynov on the Kings 2nd pair and on the kings PP. Oh and another thing, he's not a shutdown D-man. If the kings try and turn him into one it won't go well. He's not like Willie Mitchel or Greene or Regehr. He's more like Franson.
damacles1156
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McNabb gives the Kings options, Forbort is not ready, Gravel could be an UFA Aug 15th.
A-Mart could walk next season.
A-Mart could walk next season.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
McNabb has had dominant seasons in junior and very good seasons in the AHL. Forbort has come nowhere close to taking that step. I think McNabb is a significantly better prospect at this point.
This may be Forbort's last chance to really establish himself. This is his 5th season since being drafted, time to step up to the plate, especially if he wants to be a part of a loaded team like the Kings.
Probably time to throw Hakstol and the North Dakota coaching staff under the bus for Forbort's lack of development.
This may be Forbort's last chance to really establish himself. This is his 5th season since being drafted, time to step up to the plate, especially if he wants to be a part of a loaded team like the Kings.
Probably time to throw Hakstol and the North Dakota coaching staff under the bus for Forbort's lack of development.
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HYORI 1963
Grit & Character
Whether Forbort is ready or not, is up for debate. I think you guy are overlooking the fact that there's no room for Forbort, even if he was ready. I can see either Forbort or Gravel replacing Regehr next year.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
PJ Kings Hockey
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FrozenRoyalty
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Spoke with McNabb this afternoon. It'll be interesting to hear what Rob Blake has to say about him (and other prospects) when I talk to him next week (he's on vacation now).
Yeah his defensive zone reads make you scratch your head sometimes. He pinches like crazy and his pinches can be bad. He often goes for the big hit and is punished by quick and shift players who are smarter than him.
Maybe bad was a bit harsh but it's most definitely not a strength
The Kings had a big gap between Muzzin, Voynov, Doughty and all the other prospects like other posters have mentioned.
Gravel barely got a sniff of the AHL. This was Forbort's first year in the AHL. Roland McKeown is a few years away. Ebert hasn't played pro either.
The Kings don't have anyone who is 20-23, and ready to step in, so they overpaid for McNabb. Regehr is a UFA next year, which might help cement McNabb's spot on the roster for the future.
Muzzin-Doughty
Voynov-McNabb
Martinez-Greene
This is probably what Lombardi and Co. have been filling in the "boxes" with in his office.
Gravel barely got a sniff of the AHL. This was Forbort's first year in the AHL. Roland McKeown is a few years away. Ebert hasn't played pro either.
The Kings don't have anyone who is 20-23, and ready to step in, so they overpaid for McNabb. Regehr is a UFA next year, which might help cement McNabb's spot on the roster for the future.
Muzzin-Doughty
Voynov-McNabb
Martinez-Greene
This is probably what Lombardi and Co. have been filling in the "boxes" with in his office.
