Value of: Brayden McNabb or Alec Martinez to New Jersey

[Stephen Gionta]

Devils desperately in need of a top 4 LHD.

One of these guys would look good on the NJD blue line.

So LAK fans, either of them available? What would be the cost?

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[CristianoRonaldo]

IMO, Brayden McNabb is not a top-4 D.

 

[KingsCourt]

IMO, Brayden McNabb is not a top-4 D.

hopefully one day

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

what? why

 

[Djp]

hopefully one day

this will be his 6th season....I think he will be a 4/5 Dman. Nothing has changed in that.

 

[howkie]

Im no expert at Kings, but they want a D-man back I guess...

 

[goonybird]

bad trade partners

 

[tomd]

LA doesn't have the defensive depth to trade away either Martinez or McNabb at this point (although I agree with a previous poster that McNabb tops out as a 3rd pairing guy).

Seems like LA would be willing to part with a bottom six forward if you need one though...

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I like Martinez, but LA needs D much like we do. There isn't a trade to be made between these two teams.

 

[Trolfoli]

Could use a RHD, but NJ probably doesn't have an extra one after trading one not to long ago.

 

[tomd]

Look about 50 miles down the 5 freeway and you'll find a team that has a top 2-3 defenseman available but it will be expensive.

 

[go4hockey]

Devils desperately in need of a top 4 LHD.

One of these guys would look good on the NJD blue line.

So LAK fans, either of them available? What would be the cost?

None of the Kings top 4, which both of these guys are part of are available and if they were could only be moved for an upgrade.

 

[go4hockey]

this will be his 6th season....I think he will be a 4/5 Dman. Nothing has changed in that.

In reality this will be his third season but I guess you think getting 12 games in 13/14 and some spot duty in 2012 count as full seasons in the league. I see the tools to grow into a good 3/4 guy.

 

[goosh]

I could definitely see the Kings trading Martinez in a deal for a RHD. A "hockey trade" as Lombardi likes to call it. LA has a glut of lefty D with Muzzin, AMart, McNabb, plus Forbort and Gravel waiting in the wings. McNabb is still maturing as a second-pairing D and seems like a safe bet as a part of the Kings' future. Martinez, imo, can be had in the right deal.

Who would New Jersey offer up?

 

[go4hockey]

I could definitely see the Kings trading Martinez in a deal for a RHD. A "hockey trade" as Lombardi likes to call it. LA has a glut of lefty D with Muzzin, AMart, McNabb, plus Forbort and Gravel waiting in the wings. McNabb is still maturing as a second-pairing D and seems like a safe bet as a part of the Kings' future. Martinez, imo, can be had in the right deal.

Who would New Jersey offer up?

Martinez could only be delt if a defenseman as good was coming back. As for the LD/RD thing Amart can play either side so that don't matter at all really. We are thin on d and should not trade any of our current top 4.

 

[Gecklund]

What about Brendan Dillon? Not exactly a top 4 D but can definitely fill in there. Probably more of 4/5 still.

 

[oilerbear]

Devils desperately in need of a top 4 LHD.

One of these guys would look good on the NJD blue line.

So LAK fans, either of them available? What would be the cost?

LaK won 2 cups on the backs of ELite HSCA protection.

HSCA?

were shots have aabove league average success rate.
8.5 to 20.0% shooting %.
In the kings 1st cup Win they had 6 Top 30 HSCA/60 D.
By rank
Martinez
Greene
Voynov
Mitchell
Doughty
Scuderi
resulting in 5 of the top 30 GA/60 d in the game
#3 Mitchell 1.46
#6 Voynov 1.61
#17 Martinez 1.71
#27 Doughty 1.86
#30 Greene 1.89

Cup winners have 3+ top 60 HSCAD.

Pit 2016
Lovejoy
Dumoulin
Cole

CHI 2015
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Keith

LAK 2014
Martinez
Muzzin
Mitchell
Voynov
Doughty
Greene

2013 CHI
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Rozsival

2011 BOS
did not meet the trend of 3.
Chara
Botchuk

2010 CHI
Hjarlmasson
Sopel
Campbell
Seabrook

2009 Pit
Scuderi
Orpik
Gill

2008 DET
Listrom
Kronwall
Chelios

top 40 HSCAD
top 40 EVGA/60
comp based on off production of competition faced

15-16
#2 Larsson (1st comp)1.35 EVGA
#3 A. Greene (1st) 1.45
#5 Campbell (2nd) 1.58
#6 Doughty (2nd) 1.59
#8 Parayko (3rd) 1.62
#9 Martinez (2nd) 1.64
#10 Alzner (1st) 1.66
#11 Mcnabb (2nd) 1.66
#14 Lindhlm (1st) 1.68
#19 Manson (1st) 1.74
#28 Dumoulin (1st) 1.82
#29 Carlson (2nd) 1.82
#33 Davidson (2nd) 1.85

Now add top 40 PKGAD to the group.
Manson #1 PKGA/60 D 2.84
Lindholm #8 3.88
Davidson #10 4.02
Carlson #10 4.50
Dumoulin #30 5.34
Alzner #33 5.47
Larsson #35 5.55
Campbell #36 5.58
A. Greene #38 5.75
Martinez #39 5.83

I am sure LAK want to retain the best combination of EVGA and PKGA defenders.

 

[oilerbear]

LA doesn't have the defensive depth to trade away either Martinez or McNabb at this point (although I agree with a previous poster that McNabb tops out as a 3rd pairing guy).

Seems like LA would be willing to part with a bottom six forward if you need one though...

Opinions; def: point of view not based on facts or Knowledge.

now the facts.
- Mcnabb Faced 2nd line off scoring level opponents.
that would be 2nd pairing comp.
- Was top 20 D at keeping shots to perimeter out of the high shooting % area.
that would be upper 1st pairing reults.
top 10 EVGA/60
- good puck transition. ie
Getting the puck to the 300 forwards that out score the leagues top 5 EVP/60 Dmen.
you want that puck in the hands of the players who drive offence.
Sure looks like a bottom pairing results guy.

Avg forwards EVG/60 .65
Avg Dman evg/60 .17

the more directly involved dmen are in the offence the less likely a goal will be scored!

Forwards Evg/60 .65
Forwards EVA1/60 .52
Forwards EVA2/60 .41
Dmen EVA2/60 .32
Dmen EVA1/60 .25
Dmne EVG/60 .17

 

[RSeen]

I'd definitely be interested in Martinez.

 

[tomd]

Opinions; def: point of view not based on facts or Knowledge.

now the facts.
- Mcnabb Faced 2nd line off scoring level opponents.
that would be 2nd pairing comp.
- Was top 20 D at keeping shots to perimeter out of the high shooting % area.
that would be upper 1st pairing reults.
top 10 EVGA/60
- good puck transition. ie
Getting the puck to the 300 forwards that out score the leagues top 5 EVP/60 Dmen.
you want that puck in the hands of the players who drive offence.
Sure looks like a bottom pairing results guy.

Avg forwards EVG/60 .65
Avg Dman evg/60 .17

the more directly involved dmen are in the offence the less likely a goal will be scored!

Forwards Evg/60 .65
Forwards EVA1/60 .52
Forwards EVA2/60 .41
Dmen EVA2/60 .32
Dmen EVA1/60 .25
Dmne EVG/60 .17

Statistics are so much fun but since I live in the LA area I can watch him essentially 80 times per year. McNabb has serious issues with skating (esp mobility) and decision making. At 25, these will not magically disappear. Calling him a 3rd pairing D is not meant as criticism, it is simply his reality. Watch the SJ series and you'll see for yourself.

 

[HookKing]

I'd definitely be interested in Martinez.

Even though Kings' fans love to offer Martinez up for trades he is actually untouchable. Kings only have 2 puck movers (Martinez and Doughty), the D is slow as molasses as it is.

 

[Samsonite23]

Opinions; def: point of view not based on facts or Knowledge.

now the facts.
- Mcnabb Faced 2nd line off scoring level opponents.
that would be 2nd pairing comp.
- Was top 20 D at keeping shots to perimeter out of the high shooting % area.
that would be upper 1st pairing reults.
top 10 EVGA/60
- good puck transition. ie
Getting the puck to the 300 forwards that out score the leagues top 5 EVP/60 Dmen.
you want that puck in the hands of the players who drive offence.
Sure looks like a bottom pairing results guy.

Avg forwards EVG/60 .65
Avg Dman evg/60 .17

the more directly involved dmen are in the offence the less likely a goal will be scored!

Forwards Evg/60 .65
Forwards EVA1/60 .52
Forwards EVA2/60 .41
Dmen EVA2/60 .32
Dmen EVA1/60 .25
Dmne EVG/60 .17

I'm sure being paired with Doughty had nothing to do with those stats.

 

[Djp]

In reality this will be his third season but I guess you think getting 12 games in 13/14 and some spot duty in 2012 count as full seasons in the league. I see the tools to grow into a good 3/4 guy.

I am a Buffalo fan so I have followed him....

11/12--injuried had him play almost half the season
12/13--lockout year---he got injured. Had their not been a lock out he probably could have earned a bottom pairing spot and see how he did given the 30+ games he played as a rookie.
13/14--injuries hit him and his play regressed. ending his ELC Buffalo saw him as a player who likely would get exposed to waivers given the current roster and having McCabe join the team from Wisconsin.

Many on the Buffalo board had him around a 4/5 Dman. Many projected him as a middle pairing Dman if he could put it all together. Other problem he had was doing stupid penalties.

LaK won 2 cups on the backs of ELite HSCA protection.

HSCA?

were shots have aabove league average success rate.
8.5 to 20.0% shooting %.
In the kings 1st cup Win they had 6 Top 30 HSCA/60 D.
By rank
Martinez
Greene
Voynov
Mitchell
Doughty
Scuderi
resulting in 5 of the top 30 GA/60 d in the game
#3 Mitchell 1.46
#6 Voynov 1.61
#17 Martinez 1.71
#27 Doughty 1.86
#30 Greene 1.89

Cup winners have 3+ top 60 HSCAD.

Pit 2016
Lovejoy
Dumoulin
Cole

CHI 2015
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Keith

LAK 2014
Martinez
Muzzin
Mitchell
Voynov
Doughty
Greene

2013 CHI
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Rozsival

2011 BOS
did not meet the trend of 3.
Chara
Botchuk

2010 CHI
Hjarlmasson
Sopel
Campbell
Seabrook

2009 Pit
Scuderi
Orpik
Gill

2008 DET
Listrom
Kronwall
Chelios

top 40 HSCAD
top 40 EVGA/60
comp based on off production of competition faced

15-16
#2 Larsson (1st comp)1.35 EVGA
#3 A. Greene (1st) 1.45
#5 Campbell (2nd) 1.58
#6 Doughty (2nd) 1.59
#8 Parayko (3rd) 1.62
#9 Martinez (2nd) 1.64
#10 Alzner (1st) 1.66
#11 Mcnabb (2nd) 1.66
#14 Lindhlm (1st) 1.68
#19 Manson (1st) 1.74
#28 Dumoulin (1st) 1.82
#29 Carlson (2nd) 1.82
#33 Davidson (2nd) 1.85

Now add top 40 PKGAD to the group.
Manson #1 PKGA/60 D 2.84
Lindholm #8 3.88
Davidson #10 4.02
Carlson #10 4.50
Dumoulin #30 5.34
Alzner #33 5.47
Larsson #35 5.55
Campbell #36 5.58
A. Greene #38 5.75
Martinez #39 5.83

I am sure LAK want to retain the best combination of EVGA and PKGA defenders.

I guess anyone can find stats to build their own narrative....

being top 60 in the league means every team should have 2. getting 3 isnt a hard feat. The stat likely skews to the system and if you just have better defenseman.

 

[McDonald19]

Simon Despres for a young left wing?

 

[Kingspiracy]

Devils desperately in need of a top 4 LHD.

One of these guys would look good on the NJD blue line.

So LAK fans, either of them available? What would be the cost?

I don't think either are available, we want to solidify our D, not move one out. Perhaps if Gravel or Forbort really settle one may be available next year, but unlikely until the cap bites us. LA are still trying to contend now and D depth is essential.