Value of: Brady Tkachuk to the Florida Panthers

[Chaos2k7]

Ok, you stay in your fantasy world where Brady Tkachuk demands a trade only to Florida so they can get him for scraps. It's not happening

I have literally said the opposite 10 times today, they would get good value.

Nor am I the OP (nor is the OP a Panthers fan), or was this idea floated on our home boards.

Get out of your feels for a minute.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Barkov is absolutely one of the best two way centres in the world. And Brady Tkachuk is absolutely one of the best power forwards in the world. Who also happens to be 5 years younger.

Strange point to make when a player Barkov was in the same boat at the same age.

Isn't it only 4 years difference?
Both born in September, Barky in '95 and Brady in '99?
Barkov also has 5 years left on his deal and Brady only 3.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't think they will need that hard conversation. Unless we go on a 2017-esc run and it looks like this team has something, I would imagine that if they told Brady "hey we're thinking about trading you to a big market American team that can spend to and beyond the cap", he would probably pay for his own Uber to the airport.

Basically a zero chance Staois says that.

could make a deal that would not gut our forward group and still be of good value.

Maybe good value for Panthers, nothing good for Ottawa.

 

[Barsky]

Vegas holds the record for fastest expansion team to make the finals, we were in year three. And we certainly didn't have the leg up that Vegas did in the expansion draft, lol.

Omg no, night and day, but to be fair to McPhee he really took advantage of Tallon, the Ducks and Wild in getting Theodore, Tuch and Marchie. Especially when compared to the precious little that Francis did

 

[DackellDuck]

I agree with you, but that is not the idea of the OP.

IMO it would have to be Verhaeghe+, I am not sure who you think is better from those other teams

Laf, Buchnevich? I doubt they are moved.

Would Ottawa or NJ consider a Hischier deal? Maybe.

But the idea of the thread is to Florida. We could make a deal that would not gut our forward group and still be of good value.

Verhaeghe has a NMC. Why's he waiving for Ottawa?

It'd have to be Lundell + Luostarinen +... but I don't think that's all that enticing for Ottawa. They have a Lundell in Pinto. And to trade him in the division? You'd need to knock their socks off.

Lafreniere ++ would be what they'd likely target. They'd get a LW who can slot in for Tkachuk in the top 6 who's also a highly touted French Canadian who can help soothe the market.

From St. Louis, you'd be looking at Kyrou ++.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Basically a zero chance Staois says that.


Maybe good value for Panthers, nothing good for Ottawa.

I suggested Verhaeghe+

A 30/40 goal guy with 2 cups, is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Verhaeghe has a NMC. Why's he waiving for Ottawa?

It'd have to be Lundell + Luostarinen +... but I don't think that's all that enticing for Ottawa.

Lafreniere ++ would be what they'd likely target. They'd get a LW who can slot in for Tkachuk in the top 6 who's also a highly touted French Canadian who can help soothe the market.

Sens already have their Lundell in Pinto.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Verhaeghe has a NMC. Why's he waiving for Ottawa?

It'd have to be Lundell + Luostarinen +... but I don't think that's all that enticing for Ottawa.

Lafreniere ++ would be what they'd likely target. They'd get a LW who can slot in for Tkachuk in the top 6 who's also a highly touted French Canadian who can help soothe the market.

From St. Louis, you'd be looking at Kyrou ++.

Kicks in next year like Brady.

We will just sit them both and fine them until they waive their clauses, riiiiiiiiight?

 

[DackellDuck]

Kicks in next year like Brady.

We will just sit them both and fine them until the waive their clauses, riiiiiiiiight?

Even so, Verhaeghe is going to be 30 at the start of next year. He's having a down year. So probably not someone Ottawa would be interested in as a centerpiece.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Even so, Verhaeghe is going to be 30 at the start of next year. He's having a down year. So probably not someone Ottawa would be interested in as a centerpiece.

That's maybe the only downside on Carter he is getting up there, but he is a playoff performer 2x cup winner, with similar or better production at an older age than the guys you mentioned, its a start for sure.

I don't think Lundell is available, but I could be wrong for the right package.

 

[DackellDuck]

That's maybe the only downside on Carter he is getting up there, but he is a playoff performer 2x cup winner, with similar or better production at an older age than the guys you mentioned, its a start for sure.

I don't think Lundell is available, but I could be wrong for the right package.

Lafreniere is 23. He'd fit alongside Stützle (23), Sanderson (22), Pinto (24), etc, in their timeline.

Verhaeghe doesn't.

If Ottawa has to trade Tkachuk, they're not winning the cup in the next 2-3 years. It'd be a reset. What will Verhaghe be when he's 33 and those other guys are entering their prime and ready to compete?

Lundell + Verhaeghe +? Maybe that gets the convo started. But I doubt it moves the needle for Ottawa to trade him in the division.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Lafreniere is 23. He'd fit alongside Stützle (23), Sanderson (22), Pinto (24), etc, in their timeline.

Verhaeghe doesn't.

If Ottawa has to trade Tkachuk, they're not winning the cup in the next 2-3 years. It'd be a reset. What will Verhaghe be when he's 33 and those other guys are entering their prime and ready to compete?

Lundell + Verhaeghe +? Maybe that gets the convo started. But I doubt it moves the needle for Ottawa to trade him in the division.

Laffy is a good option no doubt. But all young teams need good Vets, hence why you guys signed Giroux, who would probably be retired by then. If there is value in a 35 year old Giroux, I think 30 year old Verhaeghe probably has something to offer too.

 

[I am Canadian]

Lundell, Best prospect (Lol), multiple 1sts.

I don't see the appeal for Ottawa to do this. They would much rather get an established player back 1 for 1

 

[DackellDuck]

Laffy is a good option no doubt. But all young teams need good Vets, hence why you guys signed Giroux, who would probably be retired by then. If there is value in a 35 year old Giroux, I think 30 year old Verhaeghe probably has something to offer too.

He certainly has something to offer. If he was willing to sign in Ottawa as a UFA, or they could acquire him for a good pick and prospect, they'd be absolutely thrilled to add someone like him.

But as a primary piece in a Tkachuk trade? Not a chance.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Lundell, Best prospect (Lol), multiple 1sts.

I don't see the appeal for Ottawa to do this. They would much rather get an established player back 1 for 1

Ottawa already has a Lundell in Pinto as well.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Reinhart + Lundell for Tkachuk?

That's horrible for Florida.
Reinhart may be 5 years older but he's still producing better than Brady and will be cheaper than Brady for the duration of his contract.
Lundell .64 pts/game compared to Tkachuks .77 this year is eye opening when you consider Tkachuk gets 2+ more mins on the PP than Lundell.

Lundells points per 60 is 2.3 while Tkachucks is 2.5
Lundell is trending up for career highs this year and Brady is trending down after his 80+ point year.

If 4 Panthers 1st round picks were the ask, Florida should do the deal immediately.

The chances that you draft the next Brady Tkatchuk with the 28-32 picks are really low, even with 4 attempts and he would extend the team's compete window by a lot.

And from an entertainment perspective it would put a lot of butts in the venue's seats.

For a winger, even as good as Brady is, I'd hope Zito wouldn't when wingers is one of our biggest strengths already.
If Zito was to trade four 1sts, it better be for a top pair RD.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Basically a zero chance Staois says that.

Re-read the post I quoted and then my post and consider context, tone, when choosing how to comprehend the reading.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Ottawa already has a Lundell in Pinto as well.

We need Pinto to be healthy to fully determine but Lundell may become a legit #2C capable of 60 or more points if given more time on the PP in the next few seasons.

He's having a really solid season and already has 50+ playoff games under his belt.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Re-read the post I quoted and then my post and consider context, tone, when choosing how to comprehend the reading.

Ahh yes I forgot you told me last year, that you make stuff up, my bad. However, how does one tell if you’re making it up or serious though.

Lol , thinking tone is in a text message.

 

[HockeyRulez]

Would love to have Brady on the Panthers but it is probably a pipe dream.. maybe when he gets closer to ufa?

 

[Voight]

Barkov is absolutely one of the best two way centres in the world. And Brady Tkachuk is absolutely one of the best power forwards in the world. Who also happens to be 5 years younger.

Strange point to make when a player Barkov was in the same boat at the same age.

Barkovs trade value at 25 is irrelevant to this discussion, especially my post.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Barkov is absolutely one of the best two way centres in the world. And Brady Tkachuk is absolutely one of the best power forwards in the world. Who also happens to be 5 years younger.

Strange point to make when a player Barkov was in the same boat at the same age.

matthew tkachuk is on barkov's level. brady isn't.

 

[Laus723]

Ottawa already has a Lundell in Pinto as well.

I didn’t know they compared. Is Pinto as defensively sound? (Honestly asking, not being a dick)

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I mean it's a debate, but after the four nations I think the world wants to see him with Matthew. Unless it's true that Brady wants to stay in Ottawa.

But I would imagine going to Ottawa would be something along 2 1sts, 2nd, Spencer Knight and Anton Lundell.

Ottawa finally gets into playoff contention and they sell their best player for futures? Bold move

 

[Wondercarrot]

I didn’t know they compared. Is Pinto as defensively sound? (Honestly asking, not being a dick)

Pinto anchors the shutdown line. Exceptionally smart player.

In this silly Tkachuk leaving Ottawa scenario think abt what Ottawa needs:

The very very very last thing Ottawa needs is a centre. We have a legit high end #1, a legit #2 centre, a 3rd line C who we all expect/believe is a a legit #2 in Pinto - then still have Greig and Ostapchuck.

Stutzle
Norris
Pinto
Grieg
Ostapchuk

If anything they could trade centre depth to improve the wing, which is what they actually need - and would only be made much worse by trading Brady.
That said finding a top 6 winger in UFA is likely the easiest position to fill (relative to C and D)

Our D is set, and goaltending is set.
So for a variety of reasons trading Tkachuk would absolutely the dumbest possible move the Sens would be capable of making.