Value of: Brady Tkachuk to the Florida Panthers

[Chaos2k7]

Leading the league in attendance? Don't get me wrong, they have come a long way and it's been great for the game, but they're 5th in attendance this season, not first. 9th last season and 7th last the year of their first cup run

I meant in the last playoffs, but not being last anymore is an actual great step forward for the franchise. And our first cup run was in '96. Who knew that putting a competitive product on the ice would help the bottom line.

As with the Sens in this thread, actually winning does wonders for a franchise, fans, and morale of it's players.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Happened to Ottawa just last year with Tarasenko, granted as a UFA.

If he has a full NMC, what else would they do? Sit him? The contract is guaranteed one way or the other. It's one of the risks you run when handing out NMCs. Vast contrast to how it was before the last CBA.

No, they would do like the Heat did with Jimmy Butler. If he refuses to play out his contract, fine him until he expands his list of trade options.

Staios wanted to trade Tarasenko. It's not like Tarasenko demanded a trade to Florida. If he was going to be traded, that's where he wanted to go. Ottawa was losing him two months later anyways. Totally different scenario.

 

[Chaos2k7]

No, they would do like the Heat did with Jimmy Butler. If he refuses to play out his contract, fine him until he expands his list of trade options.

Staios wanted to trade Tarasenko. It's not like Tarasenko demanded a trade to Florida. If he was going to be traded, that's where he wanted to go. Ottawa was losing him two months later anyways. Totally different scenario.

The NBA and NHL do not share that option within their respective CBAs, which is why I asked for an example from the NHL. The NHL is much closer to the MLB than any other sports league. Same reason the NFL won't give those types of contracts.

If you don't like the Tarasenko example, let's use Claude Giroux, forcing the Flyers to take a lesser deal from Florida over a better one from Colorado. Why didn't they just fine him and force him to waive the clause for the better deal? Because it doesn't work that way in the NHL.

The Sens went to Tank and he said he would only waive for Florida, then the teams came to an agreement. It does and would cause the Sens to be hamstrung if that is how it all turned out.

 

[Golden_Jet]

lol you said knickers.

lol ya, I just repeated what Laus said.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Acquiring Brady wouldn’t come close to Barkov. That’s ludicrous. Ottawa would be adding quite a bit to get one of the best two way centers in the world.

Barkov is absolutely one of the best two way centres in the world. And Brady Tkachuk is absolutely one of the best power forwards in the world. Who also happens to be 5 years younger.

Thats a lot for a guy who's scored 80 points once in his career.

Sure he brings a physical game that can be useful in the playoffs, but the point stands.

Strange point to make when a player Barkov was in the same boat at the same age.

 

[Comely]

The NBA and NHL do not share that option within their respective CBAs, which is why I asked for an example from the NHL.

If you don't like the Tarasenko example, let's use Claude Giroux, forcing the Flyers to take a lesser deal from Florida over a better one from Colorado. Why didn't they just fine him and force him to waive the clause for the better deal? Because it doesn't work that way in the NHL.

all the examples you are using are pending UFAs though so it was the choice of nothing or whatever they can get from their desired location. Think of Duchene, the Avs held onto him and made him play until they got what they wanted in a trade. There are almost no cases of a NHLer refusing to play while demanding a trade, the only one I can think of is Yashin.

 

[Chaos2k7]

all the examples you are using are pending UFAs though so it was the choice of nothing or whatever they can get from their desired location. Think of Duchene, the Avs held onto him and made him play until they got what they wanted in a trade. There are almost no cases of a NHLer refusing to play while demanding a trade, the only one I can think of is Yashin.

How about Eric Lindros?

Regardless, there would be no fines, or sitting him, if he requested a trade, they would do the best they could do to get value. You don't tie that big of a piece of your cap and leadership group to an unhappy player, you get them out of there for the best offer you can get.

I am not suggesting now or ever that they would not get good value for Brady, of course they would. Even if he only had one team on his list.

 

[Barsky]

I meant in the last playoffs, but not being last anymore is an actual great step forward for the franchise. And our first cup run was in '96. Who knew that putting a competitive product on the ice would help the bottom line.

As with the Sens in this thread, actually winning does wonders for a franchise, fans, and moral of it's players.

Absolutely, its the entire reason the Canes still exist and thrive in Raleigh imo and the inaugural season cup run likely had a large hand in keeping the Cats in south Florida through all the dark days that followed. Bryan Murray was a legend for that and so much more, God rest his soul

 

[Golden_Jet]

all the examples you are using are pending UFAs though so it was the choice of nothing or whatever they can get from their desired location. Think of Duchene, the Avs held onto him and made him play until they got what they wanted in a trade. There are almost no cases of a NHLer refusing to play while demanding a trade, the only one I can think of is Yashin.

Those were the 2 off the top of my head as well.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Absolutely, its the entire reason the Canes still exist and thrive in Raleigh imo and the inaugural season cup run likely had a large hand in keeping the Cats in south Florida through all the dark days that followed. Bryan Murray was a legend for that and so much more, God rest his soul

Vegas holds the record for fastest expansion team to make the finals, we were in year three. And we certainly didn't have the leg up that Vegas did in the expansion draft, lol.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Vegas holds the record for fastest expansion team to make the finals, we were in year three.

St Louis blues were the fastest.

 

[Chaos2k7]

St Louis blues were the fastest.

Actually both are tied with the 1918 Toronto Arenas for fastest ever.

Vegas is just the latest example.

 

[Sota Popinski]

How about Eric Lindros?

Regardless, there would be no fines, or sitting him, if he requested a trade, they would do the best they could do to get value. You don't tie that big of a piece of your cap and leadership group to an unhappy player, you get them out of there for the best offer you can get.

I am not suggesting now or ever that they would not get good value for Brady, of course they would. Even if he only had one team on his list.

He wasn't even in the league! He wasn't under contract so the Nordiques had no leverage

 

[Comely]

How about Eric Lindros?

Regardless, there would be no fines, or sitting him, if he requested a trade, they would do the best they could do to get value. You don't tie that big of a piece of your cap and leadership group to an unhappy player, you get them out of there for the best offer you can get.

I am not suggesting now or ever that they would not get good value for Brady, of course they would. Even if he only had one team on his list.

Hey if we could get the LIndros return for Brady I would trade him tomorrow, Lindros wasnt even the best player in that deal. I mean Heatly is a good example, Sens did not get fair value back for him. The end of the day a lot depends on the GM and the team situation. I personally would make him play until I got fair value or he waived his no move. Cave once and you will always be caving.

 

[Chaos2k7]

He wasn't even in the league! He wasn't under contract so the Nordiques had no leverage

For no leverage they got a great deal, fact remains if he wanted out they would trade him for the best they could get. No fines, no forcing him to expand lists.

You make the best situation you can out of it.

 

[DackellDuck]

I don't think there's anything on the Panthers roster (that they'd be willing to trade) or in their prospect pool that they could package together to get Brady Tkachuk.

NYR? NJ? St. Louis? LA? You could come up with some interesting returns that would pique Staios' interest if Brady expresses a desire to leave.

But Florida? No chance.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Hey if we could get the LIndros return for Brady I would trade him tomorrow, Lindros wasnt even the best player in that deal. I mean Heatly is a good example, Sens did not get fair value back for him. The end of the day a lot depends on the GM and the team situation. I personally would make him play until I got fair value or he waived his no move. Cave once and you will always be caving.

Heatley is a great example. But I doubt they would have sat him out why make a bad situation worse.

Leafs fans thought they would sit Marner too, sure they would lol

If the team or player is done with one another you do the best you can.

No one thinks Brady is coming in the cheap. If at all. Still time to make this not a option moving forward.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Actually both are tied with the 1918 Toronto Arenas for fastest ever.

Vegas is just the latest example.

Well that was also the first year of the new league.

 

[DackellDuck]

Happened to Ottawa just last year with Tarasenko, granted as a UFA.

If he has a full NMC, what else would they do? Sit him? The contract is guaranteed one way or the other. It's one of the risks you run when handing out NMCs. Vast contrast to how it was before the last CBA.

You're not really comparing Tkachuk with Tarasenko, are you?

Tarasenko signed with Ottawa on an understanding that if they were out of the race, they'd trade him to his destination of choice. They honored that handshake agreement.

Tkachuk has no such agreement.

He'll either be traded at the draft before his NMC kicks in (where there'll be a bidding war), or he'll be in Ottawa for the next 2.5 years at least. And the Panthers don't have the pieces to make that trade.

There's zero chance they'll move him after July 1st to a specific destination. He'll play in Ottawa or sit out.

 

[Chaos2k7]

You're not really comparing Tkachuk with Tarasenko, are you?

Tarasenko signed with Ottawa on an understanding that if they were out of the race, they'd trade him to his destination of choice. They honored that handshake agreement.

Tkachuk has no such agreement.

He'll either be traded at the draft before his NMC kicks in (where there'll be a bidding war), or he'll be in Ottawa for the next 2.5 years at least.

There's zero chance they'll move him after July 1st. He'll play in Ottawa or sit out.

If Brady publicly said he wanted out he would not wait 2.5 years.

As that hasn't happened it's not a concern, at the moment anyways.

 

[Laus723]

Sens fans just went through the same thing, luckily that changed a year ago, even though they had some good times as well.
Cohen stepped down through half of the years I listed.

I don’t like any team other than the Panthers, the Sens however are one of the few I’d like to see do well. It would upset Leaf fans amongst others and I’m for it.

Cohen was a “minority partner” in name only. He was still very much in control and still tried to get a casino built on the property adjacent to the arena to “fund the team.” It was impossible, kept getting voted down, he held the team hostage to try and get his way. He finally sold to terrific owners and we have a Cup now.

Barkov is absolutely one of the best two way centres in the world. And Brady Tkachuk is absolutely one of the best power forwards in the world. Who also happens to be 5 years younger.

Strange point to make when a player Barkov was in the same boat at the same age.

Centers tend to be more valuable. No knock on Brady here, just the facts. Put up a poll if you think the Sens wouldn’t need to add to Brady to get a guy like Barkov.

 

[DackellDuck]

If Brady publicly said he wanted out he would not wait 2.5 years.

As that hasn't happened it's not a concern, at the moment anyways.

They'll force his hand after this season. I fully expect a hard conversation will be had before the draft. Either commit to Ottawa, or we'll trade you. But we're going to have multiple teams involved. If you wait to tell us until after July 1st, you're stuck here.

If he wants out, it'll happen before his NMC kicks in.

Ottawa is a market that has experienced this. They let Yashin sit out a year, went to court, and forced him to come back and play out his contract. The city rallied around management. That would happen again.

I honestly wouldn't be that shocked if he asks out in June and they do deal him. But in that scenario, I don't think Florida has any chance of outbidding New York, New Jersey or St. Louis. And I think Brady would be happy to land in any of those cities.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

They don't have the headline piece needed to get him, and he doesn't have a NMC.

Unless they can do something creative like get Lafreniere from New York, but that's not going to happen since the Rangers will sniff it out a mile away and they want Brady for themselves. The Senators ultimately need a French superstar to market to their core fanbase in Quebec City.

They'll force his hand after this season. I fully expect a hard conversation will be had before the draft. Either commit to Ottawa, or we'll trade you. But we're going to have multiple teams involved.

And it won't go past July 1st.

If he wants out, it'll happen before his NMC kicks in.

Ottawa is a market that has experienced this. They let Yashin sit out a year, went to court, and forced him to come back and play out his contract. The city rallied around management. That would happen again.

I don't think they will need that hard conversation. Unless we go on a 2017-esc run and it looks like this team has something, I would imagine that if they told Brady "hey we're thinking about trading you to a big market American team that can spend to and beyond the cap", he would probably pay for his own Uber to the airport.

I am not saying he wants out or that he hates Winterlude, but we're talking about a hyper competitive player who spent the first 7 years of his career not competing. He just got a taste of what real competitive pro hockey is like at the top level. What he is going through right now must be like one of those videos where they roll in a dementia patient who is foaming at the mouth, cannot communicate, and has no idea where they are, then they play their favourite pop song from the 1950s and they start singing and dancing because they somehow know every word.

 

[Sota Popinski]

For no leverage they got a great deal, fact remains if he wanted out they would trade him for the best they could get. No fines, no forcing him to expand lists.

You make the best situation you can out of it.

Ok, you stay in your fantasy world where Brady Tkachuk demands a trade only to Florida so they can get him for scraps. It's not happening

 

[Chaos2k7]

They'll force his hand after this season. I fully expect a hard conversation will be had before the draft. Either commit to Ottawa, or we'll trade you. But we're going to have multiple teams involved. If you wait to tell us until after July 1st, you're stuck here.

If he wants out, it'll happen before his NMC kicks in.

Ottawa is a market that has experienced this. They let Yashin sit out a year, went to court, and forced him to come back and play out his contract. The city rallied around management. That would happen again.

I honestly wouldn't be that shocked if he asks out in June and they do deal him. But in that scenario, I don't think Florida has any chance of outbidding New York, New Jersey or St. Louis. And I think Brady would be happy to land in any of those cities.

I agree with you, but that is not the idea of the OP.

IMO it would have to be Verhaeghe+, I am not sure who you think is better from those other teams

Laf, Buchnevich? I doubt they are moved.

Would Ottawa or NJ consider a Hischier deal? Maybe.

But the idea of the thread is to Florida. We could make a deal that would not gut our forward group and still be of good value.