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Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to NYR at the draft

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Dfence033 said:
As currently constructed with Hamilton and/or L. Hughes on the powerplay, with another top-2 selected defenseman and Casey (who I know has some polarizing takes regarding his future potential), along with a relatively small top-6 forward group that includes J. Hughes and Bratt and Meier is the only one with any real “size” (and still significantly smaller than Tkachuk), I could see the case being made for the Devils. I’d still disagree and say I’d rather have the top player at their position, regardless of team need, and that’s Fox way more than Brady, but I could at least see a case for it on the current Devils roster. But the Devils aren’t the ones trading for or away Brady or Fox in this scenario.
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I just don't see how Fox is considered to be as elite as made out to be.
Probably the worst skater in the league, he's smaller than Jack, he's got no jam to his game. No forward is afraid to go down his side etc. I'm quite happy he plays for the hated rival tbh.
The trade was between OTT and NY I get it.
 
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Smitty426 said:
I just don't see how Fox is considered to be as elite as made out to be.
Probably the worst skater in the league, he's smaller than Jack, he's got no jam to his game. No forward is afraid to go down his side etc. I'm quite happy he plays for the hated rival tbh.
The trade was between OTT and NY I get it.
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Considering the overwhelming judgement of the NHL is that Fox is absolutely elite, one of the very best at his position, and has been for several years, I strongly disagree with your assessment of the player.

Fox is nearly inarguably one of the top 4/5 defenders in the league for 5 years in a row. There is a very rational case to make that Brady isn’t even a top 5 winger in his own division. The proposal was hilariously one-sided.
 
DackellDuck said:
To NYR: Brady Tkachuk
To Ottawa: Alexis Lafreniere + Braden Schneider/Will Cuylle + Brennan Othmann + 2026 1st

If Brady ends up in New York, I guarantee you that HFBoards Rangers fans will hate the value.

But they won't be catering to the hardcore fan who spends their time on the internet talking about players' xGF%.

It'll be a trade driven by Dolan to revive the brand by bringing in an American-born star who scores, hits, fights and has a huge profile after this 4 Nations Tournament. In New York, Brady is on TNT every Sunday and is talked about like Judge and Brunson. He's not the scorer that Panarin is... but he'd have a much bigger impact in the market.

And for Ottawa, they'll justify it by bringing in a highly touted French Canadian.
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no to this nonsense along w/OP's foolishness

Rs should sell high on Fox, mostly for youth
 
Smitty426 said:
I just don't see how Fox is considered to be as elite as made out to be.
Probably the worst skater in the league, he's smaller than Jack, he's got no jam to his game. No forward is afraid to go down his side etc. I'm quite happy he plays for the hated rival tbh.
The trade was between OTT and NY I get it.
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sour grapes because jack is a midget with half the talent. Fox has been injured the last two years and outperforms him.
 
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Dfence033 said:
Considering the overwhelming judgement of the NHL is that Fox is absolutely elite, one of the very best at his position, and has been for several years, I strongly disagree with your assessment of the player.

Fox is nearly inarguably one of the top 4/5 defenders in the league for 5 years in a row. There is a very rational case to make that Brady isn’t even a top 5 winger in his own division. The proposal was hilariously one-sided.
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You like your guy i like mine

toolshed said:
sour grapes because jack is a midget with half the talent. Fox has been injured the last two years and outperforms him.
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Yeah that's it!
 
Smitty426 said:
You like your guy i like mine


Yeah that's it!
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And that’s totally fine. Just relaying that your opinion is very much in the minority. Not that it’s wrong, just that on NHL awards voting alone, the majority of the league disagrees with your statement on Fox.

For the record: I don’t dislike Brady as a player. But he’s just simply not on the level of a Fox when it comes to positional importance, impact on a game, and being at or near the top of his position. He’s bigger and more physical, and will always have his fans as a result, but that doesn’t make him a comparable player as far as quantifiable on-ice impact goes.
 
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Dfence033 said:
And that’s totally fine. Just relaying that your opinion is very much in the minority. Not that it’s wrong, just that on NHL awards voting alone, the majority of the league disagrees with your statement on Fox.

For the record: I don’t dislike Brady as a player. But he’s just simply not on the level of a Fox when it comes to positional importance, impact on a game, and being at or near the top of his position. He’s bigger and more physical, and will always have his fans as a result, but that doesn’t make him a comparable player as far as quantifiable on-ice impact goes.
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Oh I hear ya, and yes not many agree with me (although many NYR fans are not as high on him as they have been lately). Fox is a VERY smart player, but right now he is the most invisible on this team (US), much like Matthews and Hughes tbh. But Werenski, Mccavoy etc and others from other countries are far more tougher, intimidating etc. For me thats more valuable. He would not have stopped Mcdavid or Crosby the other night like Mcavoy did and as THAT guy, he has to, just an opinion.
 
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Why was Lafreniere listed above Fox, as if he's the big centerpiece and Fox is a secondary asset?

Lafreniere, Emery, 2026 1st + more is what I would expect from the Rangers if Tkachuk was dealt there.

May seem steep if Lafreniere is still thought of as a future star winger, but I don't know what to make of him at this point.

Sure he hasn't gotten a ton of top unit PP time, but he has been stapled to Panarin's wing for years now and I expected him to produce a lot more playing beside an elite offensive creator like him.
 
HonestGabe said:
Lafreniere, K'Andre Miller, Othmann/Berard, 1st for Tkachuk

That's probably more in line with the correct value
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Seems fair, but the Sens have no need for Miller with Sanderson, Chabot and Kleven locking down the left side now and long-term.

Schneider or Emery would make more sense, but the Sens don't even really need a RD now with Matinpalo's emergence and in the future with Yakemchuk coming through the pipeline.

If anything I think they'd push for another good forward like Cuylle to be included. Sens need scoring and downgrading from Tkachuk to Lafreniere hurts the offense.
 
Really Good player but massively overrated on the leadership front

he takes himself out of games with his stupidity
he'll fight like a 4th liner and instigate it

like any team in the league takes that trade off
 
If Tkachuk gets traded, and if Norris is still on the Senators at that time, I could see something similar to the rumor that the Senators stapled Ryan to Karlsson in trade discussion.

Not that Norris has the negative value that Ryan has at that point. But you add Norris into the OP's trade and it starts to look a bit more balanced from a cap/money perspective considering the Senators would be adding two massive contracts.
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
Jack Hughes and Adam Fox are the same height and play two totally different positions.

What a weird post.
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Just a rebuttal to the clown saying fox is the worst skater in the league and jack is taller. I stood next to him and he didn't look as tall as me "5'11". Small these days for hockey.
 
Smitty426 said:
Oh I hear ya, and yes not many agree with me (although many NYR fans are not as high on him as they have been lately). Fox is a VERY smart player, but right now he is the most invisible on this team (US), much like Matthews and Hughes tbh. But Werenski, Mccavoy etc and others from other countries are far more tougher, intimidating etc. For me thats more valuable. He would not have stopped Mcdavid or Crosby the other night like Mcavoy did and as THAT guy, he has to, just an opinion.
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I mostly agree with this. Fox is having a clear down year, whether injuries or not (let’s be honest - the Rangers are a damned mess this season). He’s not a physical presence, but dominates the defensive and offensive zone with his smarts. While physicality is a plus asset, smarts typically age better. But I can see your case in this one.
 
Dfence033 said:
I mostly agree with this. Fox is having a clear down year, whether injuries or not (let’s be honest - the Rangers are a damned mess this season). He’s not a physical presence, but dominates the defensive and offensive zone with his smarts. While physicality is a plus asset, smarts typically age better. But I can see your case in this one.
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Can't argue with his hockey IQ kid is smart
 
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