Confirmed with Link: Brady Tkachuk - The decider: signs 3 year ELC

[BondraTime]

your first line says it all. Brady is the better guy and lets not forget his pro style of play. He will be in the AHL or NHL

You're the one who said prospects don't go from NCAA to CHL, not me

 

[topshelf15]

Look he may go to the CHL ,but for the short term it looks more and more likely is NHL/AHL

 

[HSF]

You're the one who said prospects don't go from NCAA to CHL, not me

a top end prospect like brady won't. I didnt consider Bellows nor Coyle top end prospects

 

[BondraTime]

a top end prospect like brady won't. I didnt consider Bellows nor Coyle top end prospects

Don't know what to tell you then

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

a top end prospect like brady won't. I didnt consider Bellows nor Coyle top end prospects

Tkachuk, Bellows and Coyle are all pretty close in terms of status as prospects. They each have their own defining traits but they'll all be similarly productive 2nd line type of wingers in the NHL.

 

[HSF]

Tkachuk, Bellows and Coyle are all pretty close in terms of status as prospects. They each have their own defining traits but they'll all be similarly productive 2nd line type of wingers in the NHL.

If they did during their draft they would have went top 10 easily. Non of those guys played a pro style of game during their draft like Brady does. Brady is projected as a top line winger

I dunno what to tell you if you think Brady Bellows and Coyle are 'pretty close'

 

[bert]

Yep AHL would be where I would like him also...Let him and Brown blowtorch that league,or at least try too

I think people around here are out of touch with how hard it is to score in the AHL. I sound like a broken record but just take a look at Stone, Dzingel, Hoffman and Pageaus first season in the AHL. Not one person that wants tkachuk to play pro this season has looked i am sure of it.

 

[bert]

If they did during their draft they would have went top 10 easily. Non of those guys played a pro style of game during their draft like Brady does. Brady is projected as a top line winger

I dunno what to tell you if you think Brady Bellows and Coyle are 'pretty close'

Bellows has showed far more ability to score goals than Tkachuk. His shot is actually pro ready. You can argue until youre blue in the face that im wrong but the eye test and specifically actual real stats say that you are wrong.

Brady Tkachuk certainly is a better prospect but he has lots more development to do. Youre in denial or arent educated on the prospect if you think otherwise.

 

[topshelf15]

I think people around here are out of touch with how hard it is to score in the AHL. I sound like a broken record but just take a look at Stone, Dzingel, Hoffman and Pageaus first season in the AHL. Not one person that wants tkachuk to play pro this season has looked i am sure of it.

Thats fair ,but with any and all prospects there is always that hope....

 

[HSF]

Bellows has showed far more ability to score goals than Tkachuk. His shot is actually pro ready. You can argue until youre blue in the face that im wrong but the eye test and specifically actual real stats say that you are wrong.

Sorry did I argue the Bellows doesnt have a good release? You must be seeing things

Bellows has a really good shot no doubt. Unfortunately that is not the only criteria that makes you a top prospect or pro ready

 

[bert]

Sorry did I argue the Bellows doesnt have a good release? You must be seeing things

Bellows has a really good shot no doubt. Unfortunately that is not the only criteria that makes you a top prospect or pro ready

Couldnt agree more. Tkachuk has a long way to go.

 

[topshelf15]

Couldnt agree more. Tkachuk has a long way to go.

I think its best we see what he can do before we rush to judge what he can and cant do well...I suspect his shot is probably better than most here think it is

 

[Ice-Tray]

So Dale Hunter can't teach scoring goals? Must be why guys like Horvat, Marner, and M.Tkachuk had such a hard time transitioning to the NHL gam... er, oh wait....

I have no problem with Brady going to the AHL to develop, I think playing there will help his game, but that doesn't mean playing in London won't. Both options have their advantages imo. My personal preference is AHL tbh, I think learning to deal with the heavier forcheck and stronger opposition will help more than gaining confidence dominating a league of 16 to 20 year olds, but in London he'd be getting lots of time to hone his offensive game.

I agree with this. I'm not trying to be super critical of the Hunters, I'm more of a feeling that a) BT has the ability to score more than he did, and the his role and playing situation last year was a large part in him not scoring more goals. I also don't think that scoring lots in the CHL next year will automatically lead to him becoming a goal scoring dynamo in the NHL like some people hope. I feel like there are some people who are reading too much into his numbers from last year, and are also hoping that the CHL will change him into the player they were hoping we would have drafted. BT is his own player and needs to be developed within the scope of who his is.

These being my opinions, I feel that he is better suited to play in the AHL where the staff can focus on specifically on his development. I'm also excited for the coaching hire and think that he'll get the best development there playing with his future team mates and learning the pro game with a ton of team support.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Cholowski 20OA 2016 Bellows 19OA 2016 both left the NCAA after 1 year and went to the CHL

Bellows went 7g 7a 14 pts in his rookie year at BU and went 41g 33a 74 pts the next year at Portland WHL
Cholowski went 1g 11a 12 pts in his rookie year at St. Cloud and went 14g 52a 66pts in the WHL the next year.

 

[Ice-Tray]

That college production from those two doesn't exactly scream comparable to BT in his first college year. Perhaps I'm missing something though...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

That college production from those two doesn't exactly scream comparable to BT in his first college year. Perhaps I'm missing something though...

I would say they both struggled.. Cholowski is a D though so not really comparable.

 

[benjiv1]

Love me Charlie Coyle, but I expect he is closer to Brady’s floor than ceiling.

Tkachuk will likely have a similar frame when he is done filling out.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

If they did during their draft they would have went top 10 easily. Non of those guys played a pro style of game during their draft like Brady does. Brady is projected as a top line winger

I dunno what to tell you if you think Brady Bellows and Coyle are 'pretty close'

Maybe it speaks more to how Tkachuk was overvalued in his draft when he compares historically to mid first round picks.

'Pro style game' sounds like gobbledygook. What does that even mean? Is that some kind of code for physical? Because playing physical isn't exactly a huge component to the current pro game. Being quick and having the ability to maintain possession is the pro game. Tkachuk isn't that quick and doesn't have great hands in traffic to keep the puck on his stick. He doesn't much resemble the current progame. He also chases hits instead of making defensive plays which is something you see even less now.

 

[HSF]

Maybe it speaks more to how Tkachuk was overvalued in his draft when he compares historically to mid first round picks.

'Pro style game' sounds like gobbledygook. What does that even mean? Is that some kind of code for physical? Because playing physical isn't exactly a huge component to the current pro game. Being quick and having the ability to maintain possession is the pro game. Tkachuk isn't that quick and doesn't have great hands in traffic to keep the puck on his stick. He doesn't much resemble the current progame. He also chases hits instead of making defensive plays which is something you see even less now.

We won't know that for a few years but many scouts had him early in the 1st . Really early

 

[Ice-Tray]

Maybe it speaks more to how Tkachuk was overvalued in his draft when he compares historically to mid first round picks.

'Pro style game' sounds like gobbledygook. What does that even mean? Is that some kind of code for physical? Because playing physical isn't exactly a huge component to the current pro game. Being quick and having the ability to maintain possession is the pro game. Tkachuk isn't that quick and doesn't have great hands in traffic to keep the puck on his stick. He doesn't much resemble the current progame. He also chases hits instead of making defensive plays which is something you see even less now.

From what I read he is known to have excellent hands in close, but hey maybe you've seen something that scouts haven't...

If you go back and read through the various scouting reports you'll find clarification that when scouts are talking about the other excellent facets of his game, they aren't actually confused, or being confusing, about his physical game.

You're trying so hard, and that's something I guess, but it comes across as lame I have to admit, like counter-culture, being ironic, ultra hipster, lame. We all know that if/when he becomes the player we hope he can be you'll be right up there enjoying the player as though you didn't spend the entire summer trying to convince the world that he was no better than a 3rd line grinder.

You know he's good, you're just behaving like Zadina took your free drink and chose to spend the night at BT's table.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

From what I read he is known to have excellent hands in close, but hey maybe you've seen something that scouts haven't...

If you go back and read through the various scouting reports you'll find clarification that when scouts are talking about the other excellent facets of his game, they aren't actually confused, or being confusing, about his physical game.

You're trying so hard, and that's something I guess, but it comes across as lame I have to admit, like counter-culture, being ironic, ultra hipster, lame. We all know that if/when he becomes the player we hope he can be you'll be right up there enjoying the player as though you didn't spend the entire summer trying to convince the world that he was no better than a 3rd line grinder.

You know he's good, you're just behaving like Zadina took your free drink and chose to spend the night at BT's table.

Oh yes, and when he becomes a 45 point supplemental 2nd line player, I'm sure you'll admit you were terribly wrong and should have considered that my opinion wasn't just trolling.

 

[swiftwin]

Can he even play in the AHL? I thought you had to be 20 or something.

 

[JungleBeat]

Pro style game means nothing.

 

[BondraTime]

Can he even play in the AHL? I thought you had to be 20 or something.

Only applies to guys drafted out of the CHL.

Tkachuk can, while Formenton can't, with both being born a few days apart.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Pro style game means nothing.

"The guy is just a winner"

"He plays the right way"

"This guy gets it"

I'll take meaningless cliche's for 200, Alex.