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Brady Tkachuk or Matthew Knies

You have a choice of of B. Tkachuk or M. Knies, who do you take.

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IPS said:
So you're just gonna start some polls up just cause you got riled up from some Leafs fans? It's not a big deal, just move on and read something else.
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If you don’t like the poll, that was created because of leaf fans, then,
It's not a big deal, just move on and read something else.
 
It's closer than people want to admit. The biggest thing separating the two right now is their draft position.

You look at what they bring overall and it's very similar. Slight edge Tkachuk, he's eclipsed PPG and 80+ points and has that nastiness to his game. Knies is a mean power forward as well, but Tkachuk has the extra edge that guys like Pronger/Messier have, where they're just menacing and out to hurt you and put the fear of god in you.

Won't be surprised if Knies eventually surpasses him, but they're very close.

In a no cap world, Brady easily. Based on the Leafs situation, Knies.
 
AvroArrow said:
It's closer than people want to admit. The biggest thing separating the two right now is their draft position.

You look at what they bring overall and it's very similar. Slight edge Tkachuk, he's eclipsed PPG and 80+ points and has that nastiness to his game. Knies is a mean power forward as well, but Tkachuk has the extra edge that guys like Pronger/Messier have, where they're just menacing and out to hurt you and put the fear of god in you.

Won't be surprised if Knies eventually surpasses him, but they're very close.

In a no cap world, Brady easily. Based on the Leafs situation, Knies.
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It's really not "closer than people want to admit".

Knies has potential, but that is still under the assumption he REACHES that potential. I also think Brady has room to develop and grow too.

Knies best season is 29 goals and 58 points in a full season. Tkachuk has a 35 goal, 83 point season (2 years ago), and a 37 goal, 74 point season (last year).
-> So right off the bat, Tkachuk has shown he can play at a completeley different level offensively than Knies can - THAT, is not even close.

Look at the playoffs this year, Knies with 3 points in 6 games, compared to Brady who had 7 points. Once again - not even close.

Knies was the FIFTH best forward on his team this year, Tkachuk is regularly the 1st or 2nd best forward on his team.

44/58 (76%) of Knies points this year were also assisted by, or scored by Matthews and/or Marner. Both of whom are both significantly better than anyone that Brady gets to play with. It's not even close. And that's before considering points that Nylander or Tavares factored in on as well.
 
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I don’t get how this could be Brady.

Better offensively: Knies
Better defensively: Knies
Strength/Physicality: Even
Cries like a little *****: Brady
Number of Penalties taken because they’re dumb: Brady
Better looking: Knies
Younger: Knies

This is Knies by an absolute landslide and this is coming from an impartial fan.
 
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filinski77 said:
It's really not "closer than people want to admit".

Knies has potential, but that is still under the assumption he REACHES that potential. I also think Brady has room to develop and grow too.

Knies best season is 29 goals and 58 points in a full season. Tkachuk has a 35 goal, 83 point season (2 years ago), and a 37 goal, 74 point season (last year).
-> So right off the bat, Tkachuk has shown he can play at a completeley different level offensively than Knies can - THAT, is not even close.

Look at the playoffs this year, Knies with 3 points in 6 games, compared to Brady who had 7 points. Once again - not even close.

Knies was the FIFTH best forward on his team this year, Tkachuk is regularly the 1st or 2nd best forward on his team.

44/58 (76%) of Knies points this year were also assisted by, or scored by Matthews and/or Marner. Both of whom are both significantly better than anyone that Brady gets to play with. It's not even close. And that's before considering points that Nylander or Tavares factored in on as well.
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Brady plays with Stutzle who is equally as good, or better, (contracts included) than Matthews. Knies also doesn’t have 4 #1D feeding him the puck.
 
Madap said:
I don’t get how this could be Brady.

Better offensively: Knies
Better defensively: Knies
Strength/Physicality: Even
Cries like a little *****: Brady
Number of Penalties taken because they’re dumb: Brady
Better looking: Knies
Younger: Knies

This is Knies by an absolute landslide and this is coming from an impartial fan.
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Yeah... "Impartial" LOL
 
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filinski77 said:
It's really not "closer than people want to admit".

Knies has potential, but that is still under the assumption he REACHES that potential. I also think Brady has room to develop and grow too.

Knies best season is 29 goals and 58 points in a full season. Tkachuk has a 35 goal, 83 point season (2 years ago), and a 37 goal, 74 point season (last year).
-> So right off the bat, Tkachuk has shown he can play at a completeley different level offensively than Knies can - THAT, is not even close.

Look at the playoffs this year, Knies with 3 points in 6 games, compared to Brady who had 7 points. Once again - not even close.

Knies was the FIFTH best forward on his team this year, Tkachuk is regularly the 1st or 2nd best forward on his team.

44/58 (76%) of Knies points this year were also assisted by, or scored by Matthews and/or Marner. Both of whom are both significantly better than anyone that Brady gets to play with. It's not even close. And that's before considering points that Nylander or Tavares factored in on as well.
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Tkachuk would be the 5th best forward on Toronto, that doesn't mean shit lol. Just means that Ottawa's forward aren't as good.

Also Knies is 3 years younger, and is getting better every season. Next year he'll be the same age as when Brady had that 80 point year, so it'll be easier to compare.

If you watched the games you would've seen Brady score 2 extremely flukey goals lol, one was a horrible floater from distance, the other was a lucky bounce off a defenders skate and in.

There is a gap between the 2, but it's not as big as you and others are making it seem.
 
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AvroArrow said:
Tkachuk would be the 5th best forward on Toronto, that doesn't mean shit lol. Just means that Ottawa's forward aren't as good.

Also Knies is 3 years younger, and is getting better every season. Next year he'll be the same age as when Brady had that 80 point year, so it'll be easier to compare.

If you watched the games you would've seen Brady score 2 extremely flukey goals lol, one was a horrible floater from distance, the other was a lucky bounce off a defenders skate and in.

There is a gap between the 2, but it's not as big as you and others are making it seem.
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The fact that Knies is the 5th best forward on Toronto shows how much help he has in generating offense. Knies is scoring almost ALL of his points with 2 of the best players in the league. It is extremely fair to say that if you swapped Knies and Tkachuk on teams and who the play for, Knies best production goes down, and Tkachuk's goes up.
 
filinski77 said:
The fact that Knies is the 5th best forward on Toronto shows how much help he has in generating offense. Knies is scoring almost ALL of his points with 2 of the best players in the league. It is extremely fair to say that if you swapped Knies and Tkachuk on teams and who the play for, Knies best production goes down, and Tkachuk's goes up.
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I agree, Tkachuk probably hits 90+ playing on Toronto.

All i'm saying is Knies is 3 years younger, developing really well, has the same size and physicality as Brady (not as mean though)

My expectation for him next season is to hit 30G-40A, he's trending up and just seems to get better and better

Like if we give Brady say an 8.5/10, I'd have Knies at about a 7.5/10

Gap, but not massive, and small enough that it is within reach
 
Madap said:
I don’t get how this could be Brady.

Better offensively: Knies
Better defensively: Knies
Strength/Physicality: Even
Cries like a little *****: Brady
Number of Penalties taken because they’re dumb: Brady
Better looking: Knies
Younger: Knies

This is Knies by an absolute landslide and this is coming from an impartial fan.
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This must be a child
 
filinski77 said:
It's really not "closer than people want to admit".

Knies has potential, but that is still under the assumption he REACHES that potential. I also think Brady has room to develop and grow too.

Knies best season is 29 goals and 58 points in a full season. Tkachuk has a 35 goal, 83 point season (2 years ago), and a 37 goal, 74 point season (last year).
-> So right off the bat, Tkachuk has shown he can play at a completeley different level offensively than Knies can - THAT, is not even close.

Look at the playoffs this year, Knies with 3 points in 6 games, compared to Brady who had 7 points. Once again - not even close.

Knies was the FIFTH best forward on his team this year, Tkachuk is regularly the 1st or 2nd best forward on his team.

44/58 (76%) of Knies points this year were also assisted by, or scored by Matthews and/or Marner. Both of whom are both significantly better than anyone that Brady gets to play with. It's not even close. And that's before considering points that Nylander or Tavares factored in on as well.
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Yeah, Brady is constantly improving too.

His shot is crazy underrated right now. He isn't just a garbage collector in front of the net. He's regularly beating goaltenders from pretty far out clean.
 
Madap said:
I don’t get how this could be Brady.

Better offensively: Knies
Better defensively: Knies
Strength/Physicality: Even
Cries like a little *****: Brady
Number of Penalties taken because they’re dumb: Brady
Better looking: Knies
Younger: Knies

This is Knies by an absolute landslide and this is coming from an impartial fan.
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lol, you’re not fooling anyone, by adding an impartial fan, at the end.
 
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I'd go with Brady, but honestly, not by as much as I'd like to admit. I was really impressed with Knies in Round 1 - he caused havoc in front of the net, especially on the powerplay. I think he compliments the Matthews and Marner line real well.

I'm interested to see what his contact comes in at. I scoffed when I heard $9M/yr before the playoffs, but he had really nice stats this season and I think he provides more value than his stats suggest. I'm not sure he comes in that high, but with the cap rising, he could get a pretty penny.
 
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WetcoastOrca said:
Lopsided poll. Pretty much only Leaf fans voting for Knies. He’s great young player but not on Tkachuk’s level.
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To be fair, Brady was shoved down everyone’s throats because of the 4 nations. When Ottawa was struggling, their own fans were calling for his head.

Knies is just becoming a household name. His time is upon us.
 
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No one is going to forget that all it took was for the Sens to win two games in a row for the Leafs collective fanbase to meteorically implode into seething self hatred and doubt. Pathetic.

We won two games and you losers booed your own team off the ice. Already resigned to your own ill-fated loser stars.

You win ultimately, yet we cheer on our young team with pride and elation for their accomplishment. They took that next step. Brady chants fill the arena.

Like, as if this is how Leafs fans are occupying their time. Thought you guys had another series to focus on? Or are you guys already resigned to losing that one, and you have to bask in your one, small victory to feel any sunshine at all?

This is just so sad. Sure, OP was goaded by a couple of Leafs fans to make this thread, but clearly, the consensus properly recognizes that Brady is the superior player. Unquestionably.
 
SensontheRush said:
No one is going to forget that all it took was for the Sens to win two games in a row for the Leafs collective fanbase to meteorically implode into seething self hatred and doubt. Pathetic.

We won two games and you losers booed your own team off the ice. Already resigned to your own ill-fated loser stars.
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As opposed to Sens fans chanting "Let's Go Florida" at the end of Thursday's game.
 
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