Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[coladin]

Agent Zub can do his routine.

And we can be frustrated with the captain, he is not a perfect player, far from it.

But whenever this team struggles, there are so many players ahead him on the f***ing list, that it is comical that this guy is the lightning rod. When this team is struggling as it is, here are the cadidates that are ahead of Brady on the blame game. In order:

Ullmark - Vezina goalie who is an embarrassment
Sanderson - killing them in this skid. Just killing them.
Kleven - poor kid has barely any NHL experience and was a fukgin revelation until the last 4 games. He had no right to be as good as he was
Pinto - absolute black hole

Then if you want to bash Brady, go for it ffs

 

[Golden_Jet]

He didn't steal my puppy but he cheats this team of defensive effort as captain which is just as bad.

And I do hold others accountable I have been critical of Chabot last few years but this year he has made big gains so my critique has turned to praise.

I have been critical of Stutzle and his whiny and emotional behaviour last few years but this year he has been relatively stoic and all buisness.

When Brady tries defensively I point it out and commend him for it.

I get critical when I see him give that effort 1 in 10-15 games though.

There is a reason why this team has the shaky and loser mentality it does, and Brady's on ice actions play a role in that.

Something has to change or this team will continue to be a loser team.

Brady's actions should be the easiest thing to change so why does it feel like pulling teeth?

Dude is not a rookie anymore, he has almost 500 games, thats half his career. time for excuses and blaming coaches is done.

Why aren’t you harping on Zub, he has a team worst +- / gp.

Should the team trade him because of his concussion history.

Or Sandy with 2 EVP, vs Chabby with 9,

It’s bad, when even on the “mains” think you hate Brady. If we move Brady, Sens become a soft team.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Sure, like he does most of the time.
This narrative of his defence is silly. Is he perfect, no - but this thread is over the top hysterical abt how he plays D.

Hysteria is uncalled for but he's been a horrible defensive player over the course of his career. He is what he is; an offensive player who brings added value by being punishing in the offensive zone.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Agent Zub can do his routine.

And we can be frustrated with the captain, he is not a perfect player, far from it.

But whenever this team struggles, there are so many players ahead him on the f***ing list, that it is comical that this guy is the lightning rod. When this team is struggling as it is, here are the cadidates that are ahead of Brady on the blame game. In order:

Ullmark - Vezina goalie who is an embarrassment
Sanderson - killing them in this skid. Just killing them.
Kleven - poor kid has barely any NHL experience and was a fukgin revelation until the last 4 games. He had no right to be as good as he was
Pinto - absolute black hole

Then if you want to bash Brady, go for it ffs

Why aren’t you harping on Zub, he has a team worst +- / gp.

Should the team trade him because of his concussion history.

Or Sandy with 2 EVP, vs Chabby with 9,

It’s bad, when even on the “mains” think you hate Brady. If we move Brady, Sens become a soft team.

you guys still don't understand.

its solely about EFFORT.

Zub, Sanderson, Kleven is not a lack of effort or else I'd be on them too.

But when Brady quits on the backcheck or cheats the zone it is all about effort.

I have said that even if Brady still sucks defensively but shows the effort it is all we need. = Good Leadership

Right now I see him work much harder when he thinks he has a scoring chance vs when he needs to help out his teammates. = Bad Leadership

We can't expect to be a playoff team, let alone cup winners with bad leadership.

 

[Golden_Jet]

you guys still don't understand.

its solely about EFFORT.

Zub, Sanderson, Kleven is not a lack of effort or else I'd be on them too.

Ahh got it, so being on the ice for more goals against at even strength is better in your books.

 

[Loach]

you guys still don't understand.

its solely about EFFORT.

Zub, Sanderson, Kleven is not a lack of effort or else I'd be on them too.

But when Brady quits on the backcheck or cheats the zone it is all about effort.

I have said that even if Brady still sucks defensively but shows the effort it is all we need. = Good Leadership

Right now I see him work much harder when he thinks he has a scoring chance vs when he needs to help out his teammates. = Bad Leadership

We can't expect to be a playoff team, let alone cup winners with bad leadership.

Shhhh.

 

[PlayOn]

you guys still don't understand.

its solely about EFFORT.

Zub, Sanderson, Kleven is not a lack of effort or else I'd be on them too.

But when Brady quits on the backcheck or cheats the zone it is all about effort.

I have said that even if Brady still sucks defensively but shows the effort it is all we need. = Good Leadership

Right now I see him work much harder when he thinks he has a scoring chance vs when he needs to help out his teammates. = Bad Leadership

We can't expect to be a playoff team, let alone cup winners with bad leadership.

The problem is that it’s obvious you are choosing to look at Brady through the lens of all the things he’s not, and you can pick apart just about any player if you do that, short of a handful of guys like McDavid, Barkov, MacKinnon - the elite of the elite.

Things are rarely as black and white as you’re painting them to be. Everyone around the team says Brady is first to the rink, first on the ice at practice. He’s one of our most consistent players night in and night out. He can play with anyone and looks good doing it. He’s the most physical player in the league. All of those things = good leadership.

I don’t think anyone enjoys watching Brady miss a back check or cheat for offense. Oversimplifying it to that = no effort and bad leadership is where people take issue. The game is fast and so much is instinctual and built on habits - if he has played one way all his life the evolution isn’t going to happen overnight. It’s easy to say from your couch at home that he shouldn’t have cheated for a goal, but in the moment it’s a split second decision. You are choosing to equate it to a complete lack of effort but there is a need for maturity and growth that is going to take time for it to really resolve itself. Most of the effort to switch the way they play started with Jacques, which was a year ago, 500 NHL games experience or not.

 

[Big Muddy]

Agent Zub can do his routine.

And we can be frustrated with the captain, he is not a perfect player, far from it.

But whenever this team struggles, there are so many players ahead him on the f***ing list, that it is comical that this guy is the lightning rod. When this team is struggling as it is, here are the cadidates that are ahead of Brady on the blame game. In order:

Ullmark - Vezina goalie who is an embarrassment
Sanderson - killing them in this skid. Just killing them.
Kleven - poor kid has barely any NHL experience and was a fukgin revelation until the last 4 games. He had no right to be as good as he was
Pinto - absolute black hole

Then if you want to bash Brady, go for it ffs

My ignore list is growing. It helps. Some posters you know what they are going to say as soon as you see the screen name.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Agent Zub can do his routine.

And we can be frustrated with the captain, he is not a perfect player, far from it.

But whenever this team struggles, there are so many players ahead him on the f***ing list, that it is comical that this guy is the lightning rod. When this team is struggling as it is, here are the cadidates that are ahead of Brady on the blame game. In order:

Ullmark - Vezina goalie who is an embarrassment
Sanderson - killing them in this skid. Just killing them.
Kleven - poor kid has barely any NHL experience and was a fukgin revelation until the last 4 games. He had no right to be as good as he was
Pinto - absolute black hole

Then if you want to bash Brady, go for it ffs

Which one of the guys you listed is the captain and is getting paid $10.5M this year?

There's 3 organizational leaders (4, if you count the owner): the captain of the hockey team, the head coach and the GM/POHO. Every time someone points a finger at one of the 3 leaders of the organization, a bunch of people say "you can't put this on them". Who is supposed to take responsibility for where things are at, if it's not any of the 3 leaders in the organization? Can't blame the captain, can't blame the coach and can't blame the GM.

It's this whirlwind of excuse-making that makes it seem like all of these guys are powerless in the face of this incomprehensible force that affects the team and their results. Does the captain bear any responsibility at all when the team comes out flat? Does the captain bear any responsibility at all when the team gives up the first goal of the game and rarely recovers to win?

When he was negotiating his contract, you couldn't open the Brady Tkachuk thread without someone singing his praises for how he "drags his team into the fight" and how he "makes guys wanna play harder" and how he's such a unique player in the NHL. Where's this fight he's been dragging his team into? Where's the ability to come out swinging? Instead of giving up the first goal in 13 of 21 games, going 2-10-1 in those games. Why is he such a unique player if his positive effect on the team doesn't result in a much better winning percentage? Great players usually get great results. You can find an "off" season or two for any of these great/unique players but you don't often say their entire career is defined by losing.

Hardly anyone is saying the guy should be traded (not yet, at least) although it's certainly not the worst idea to start having the conversation if his NMC kicks in soon. But why is there such an impassioned defense of this guy and lionizing all his best traits while simultaneously looking away from his worst? Why can't any part of the blame be assigned to any of the 3 leaders of this team? What is it about a losing record that merits the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Which one of the guys you listed is the captain and is getting paid $10.5M this year?

There's 3 organizational leaders (4, if you count the owner): the captain of the hockey team, the head coach and the GM/POHO. Every time someone points a finger at one of the 3 leaders of the organization, a bunch of people say "you can't put this on them". Who is supposed to take responsibility for where things are at, if it's not any of the 3 leaders in the organization? Can't blame the captain, can't blame the coach and can't blame the GM.

It's this whirlwind of excuse-making that makes it seem like all of these guys are powerless in the face of this incomprehensible force that affects the team and their results. Does the captain bear any responsibility at all when the team comes out flat? Does the captain bear any responsibility at all when the team gives up the first goal of the game and rarely recovers to win?

When he was negotiating his contract, you couldn't open the Brady Tkachuk thread without someone singing his praises for how he "drags his team into the fight" and how he "makes guys wanna play harder" and how he's such a unique player in the NHL. Where's this fight he's been dragging his team into? Where's the ability to come out swinging? Instead of giving up the first goal in 13 of 21 games, going 2-10-1 in those games. Why is he such a unique player if his positive effect on the team doesn't result in a much better winning percentage? Great players usually get great results. You can find an "off" season or two for any of these great/unique players but you don't often say their entire career is defined by losing.

Hardly anyone is saying the guy should be traded (not yet, at least) although it's certainly not the worst idea to start having the conversation if his NMC kicks in soon. But why is there such an impassioned defense of this guy and lionizing all his best traits while simultaneously looking away from his worst? Why can't any part of the blame be assigned to any of the 3 leaders of this team? What is it about a losing record that merits the benefit of the doubt?

Because only one player ever gets blamed, out of 23. It’s not that hard to figure out,
When there is plenty of blame to go around, and lots of players doing worse than him.
But I’m sure you’ll find excuses like usual, why it’s only Brady to blame.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

My ignore list is growing. It helps. Some posters you know what they are going to say as soon as you see the screen name.

I was just thinking the same thing… it’s a small list, but very close to growing by 1

 

[Loach]

My ignore list is growing. It helps. Some posters you know what they are going to say as soon as you see the screen name.

If you ignore me.....no more Birthday Cards with 5$ in them.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The problem is that it’s obvious you are choosing to look at Brady through the lens of all the things he’s not, and you can pick apart just about any player if you do that, short of a handful of guys like McDavid, Barkov, MacKinnon - the elite of the elite.

Things are rarely as black and white as you’re painting them to be. Everyone around the team says Brady is first to the rink, first on the ice at practice. He’s one of our most consistent players night in and night out. He can play with anyone and looks good doing it. He’s the most physical player in the league. All of those things = good leadership.

I don’t think anyone enjoys watching Brady miss a back check or cheat for offense. Oversimplifying it to that = no effort and bad leadership is where people take issue. The game is fast and so much is instinctual and built on habits - if he has played one way all his life the evolution isn’t going to happen overnight. It’s easy to say from your couch at home that he shouldn’t have cheated for a goal, but in the moment it’s a split second decision. You are choosing to equate it to a complete lack of effort but there is a need for maturity and growth that is going to take time for it to really resolve itself. Most of the effort to switch the way they play started with Jacques, which was a year ago, 500 NHL games experience or not.

I am looking at Brady through the lens of what he has to do for this team to win.

I notice this stuff in McDavid, Draisaitl, Kucherov, Karlsson, Crosby, Ovechkin etc too where they glide on the backcheck or cheat for offense. Problem is that Brady thinks he's that caliber of player and hurts the team thinking so. Either it's immaturity or a big ego, but why is either a valid excuse?

These players are coddled and spoiled. At some point we have to move past all these excuses.

You are preaching patience but time is running out.

You look at the leadership that is required to win championships or have an enduring culture of excellence and its clear we have bad leadership and culture. In contrast to what it takes to win a championship Brady is a bad leader. Hopefully he gets there one day. But right now?

 

[Big Muddy]

If you ignore me.....no more Birthday Cards with 5$ in them.

You're cool buddy, but can you help another buddy out and make it $25?

 

[Loach]

I am looking at Brady through the lens of what he has to do for this team to win.

I notice this stuff in McDavid, Draisaitl, Kucherov, Karlsson, Crosby, Ovechkin etc too where they glide on the backcheck or cheat for offense. Problem is that Brady thinks he's that caliber of player and hurts the team thinking so. Either it's immaturity or a big ego, but why is either a valid excuse?

These players are coddled and spoiled. At some point we have to move past all these excuses.

You are preaching patience but time is running out.

You look at the leadership that is required to win championships or have an enduring culture of excellence and its clear we have bad leadership and culture. In contrast to what it takes to win a championship Brady is a bad leader. Hopefully he gets there one day. But right now?

Then go to one of those teams boards and poop on those players. Jesus you're like a Sweatred/Aragorn experiment.

You're cool buddy, but can you help another buddy out and make it $25?

Is it for Sens Hockey on tv? Then yes. If it's for shrooms....then also yes.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Then go to one of those teams boards and poop on those players. Jesus you're like a Sweatred/Aragorn experiment.

Those players win games by themselves and know when not to cheat/float.

Can't really say the same for Brady.

 

[PlayOn]

Which one of the guys you listed is the captain and is getting paid $10.5M this year?

There's 3 organizational leaders (4, if you count the owner): the captain of the hockey team, the head coach and the GM/POHO. Every time someone points a finger at one of the 3 leaders of the organization, a bunch of people say "you can't put this on them". Who is supposed to take responsibility for where things are at, if it's not any of the 3 leaders in the organization? Can't blame the captain, can't blame the coach and can't blame the GM.

It's this whirlwind of excuse-making that makes it seem like all of these guys are powerless in the face of this incomprehensible force that affects the team and their results. Does the captain bear any responsibility at all when the team comes out flat? Does the captain bear any responsibility at all when the team gives up the first goal of the game and rarely recovers to win?

When he was negotiating his contract, you couldn't open the Brady Tkachuk thread without someone singing his praises for how he "drags his team into the fight" and how he "makes guys wanna play harder" and how he's such a unique player in the NHL. Where's this fight he's been dragging his team into? Where's the ability to come out swinging? Instead of giving up the first goal in 13 of 21 games, going 2-10-1 in those games. Why is he such a unique player if his positive effect on the team doesn't result in a much better winning percentage? Great players usually get great results. You can find an "off" season or two for any of these great/unique players but you don't often say their entire career is defined by losing.

Hardly anyone is saying the guy should be traded (not yet, at least) although it's certainly not the worst idea to start having the conversation if his NMC kicks in soon. But why is there such an impassioned defense of this guy and lionizing all his best traits while simultaneously looking away from his worst? Why can't any part of the blame be assigned to any of the 3 leaders of this team? What is it about a losing record that merits the benefit of the doubt?

I think most people are still very much trying to understand what the team’s biggest problems are and I don’t think a consensus has been reached. Some will say it’s goaltending, others will say it’s all mental, others will say the core lacks talent, others will point to a lack of depth. All of these things have merit and it’s likely a combination of everything.

But without knowing what weight each holds in our losing record, it’s kind of hard to assign blame. Everyone is to blame. Who wears it the most would depend on which issues hold the most weight, and there’s discussion on that every day. Do we need to be outwardly saying “Steve Staios sucks and all his acquisitions are useless!” to be assigning blame? Or is it not implied that if goaltending is poor and his acquisitions are not contributing, that that portion of it is on him? And that if the core is bad that portion is on Dorion? And that if the team is too fragile that Green and Brady wear that as the leaders on the bench/ice? It’s all implied. It doesn’t mean no positives exist. Naturally the people who think it’s primarily goaltending will be less apt to blame Green or Brady, it’s just a disagreement on what the crux of the issue really is. And the reality is we don’t have the answer to that.

 

[Big Muddy]

Then go to one of those teams boards and poop on those players. Jesus you're like a Sweatred/Aragorn experiment.


Is it for Sens Hockey on tv? Then yes. If it's for shrooms....then also yes.

Lately, I’d have to say its for dentist bills and to pay taxes. Boring stuff LOL.

 

[Loach]

Those players win games by themselves and know when not to cheat/float.

Can't really say the same for Brady.

...and he isn't in that sphere of player either. So there!

 

[Golden_Jet]

Then go to one of those teams boards and poop on those players. Jesus you're like a Sweatred/Aragorn experiment.

Maybe a sweatred burner

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

...and he isn't in that sphere of player either. So there!

So we all agree that Brady has no excuse to float and cheat?

 

[Loach]

So we all agree that Brady has no excuse to float and cheat?

What? You dumbass.

 

[PlayOn]

I am looking at Brady through the lens of what he has to do for this team to win.

I notice this stuff in McDavid, Draisaitl, Kucherov, Karlsson, Crosby, Ovechkin etc too where they glide on the backcheck or cheat for offense. Problem is that Brady thinks he's that caliber of player and hurts the team thinking so. Either it's immaturity or a big ego, but why is either a valid excuse?

These players are coddled and spoiled. At some point we have to move past all these excuses.

You are preaching patience but time is running out.

You look at the leadership that is required to win championships or have an enduring culture of excellence and its clear we have bad leadership and culture. In contrast to what it takes to win a championship Brady is a bad leader. Hopefully he gets there one day. But right now?

“Brady thinks he’s that caliber of player”

Does he? That’s what you’ve decided Brady thinks. I think it’s far more likely Brady just runs off emotions and loves scoring to the point where he neglects the more monotonous part of the game. Hence how he needs to mature.

Brady was also a bad draft pick, only scored 8 goals in college and would be a 3rd liner. Or at least I was told.

Then he was just a 50 pt player, didn’t have the skill to be worthy of 8 mil per year. Or at least I was told, then he became a PPG player.

You can create all the narratives you want, but everytime he proves people wrong, they move the goal posts and start focusing on the next issue.

Guarantee if he helps lead us to the playoffs but we don’t go far a couple years in a row, it’ll shift to “Brady is not built for playoffs and we will never win with him”.

 

[Relapsing]

Because only one player ever gets blamed, out of 23. It’s not that hard to figure out,
When there is plenty of blame to go around, and lots of players doing worse than him.
But I’m sure you’ll find excuses like usual, why it’s only Brady to blame.

Well that's not really true, is it? There are individual player threads where people rip into underperformers, and there's certainly a lot of criticism towards them in the Brady thread, which is always pretty hilarious.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

“Brady thinks he’s that caliber of player”

Does he? That’s what you’ve decided Brady thinks. I think it’s far more likely Brady just runs off emotions and loves scoring to the point where he neglects the more monotonous part of the game. Hence how he needs to mature.

Brady was also a bad draft pick, only scored 8 goals in college and would be a 3rd liner. Or at least I was told.

Then he was just a 50 pt player, didn’t have the skill to be worthy of 8 mil per year. Or at least I was told, then he became a PPG player.

You can create all the narratives you want, but everytime he proves people wrong, they move the goal posts and start focusing on the next issue.

Guarantee if he helps lead us to the playoffs but we don’t go far a couple years in a row, it’ll shift to “Brady is not built for playoffs and we will never win with him”.

this isn't a good excuse for year 7 of the rebuild. 461 games he has played and we are talking about how he needs to mature off the most basic of concepts.

with that said I would love for Brady to prove me wrong and backcheck and actually play like a captain. really all i want.