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just goes to show how deceiving stats can be, especially in a small sample size and without context.
Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI
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just goes to show how deceiving stats can be, especially in a small sample size and without context.
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Agent Zuuuub
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and if you think brady has played well this year. that's on you.
stutzle has played well, and if we compare Brady's play to Stutzle's play its not even close.
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Brady has been the 2nd best Sens forward this season. He's not been a difference maker every night, and has had some defensive gaffes. No doubt, he could be smarter defensively positioning wise, and tracking back. Along with that, he is scoring, playing physical, and one of the few players that can protect the puck and make a play off the cycle.
Maybe your expectations of him are off. There is many issues with this Sens team, Brady is not at the top of the list.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Brady being the 2nd best forward is in large part the problem, but still happy with what he brings in general.
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i wonder how good brady's play would seem if he wasn't the main beneficiary of Stutzle's play.
and if this is brady playing good and what we should expect, we're sorta screwed.
I think you stated the issue here. He truly is our second best forward by a MILE. And that to me is a problem
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Brady hasn't been great but he's definitely catching more than his fair share of blame for the team's poor play.
Our top players are producing. Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Giroux and Norris all have production at or above what should be expected of them, so not sure why they are getting so much heat.
This team is not losing games because of them, we're losing games because our goaltending has been terrible and we've gotten no secondary scoring outside of Gaudette.
Pinto, Greig, Perron, Amadio, Cousins, Gregor, MacEwen, Reinhardt, Ostapchuk and the defense have contributed 15 goals combined through the first 23 games.
That's insanely bad production from 2/3 of the roster.
This team isn't going to make the playoffs if the top two forward lines are the only ones scoring, especially when we aren't getting bailed out with high-end goaltending.
Our top players are producing. Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson, Giroux and Norris all have production at or above what should be expected of them, so not sure why they are getting so much heat.
This team is not losing games because of them, we're losing games because our goaltending has been terrible and we've gotten no secondary scoring outside of Gaudette.
Pinto, Greig, Perron, Amadio, Cousins, Gregor, MacEwen, Reinhardt, Ostapchuk and the defense have contributed 15 goals combined through the first 23 games.
That's insanely bad production from 2/3 of the roster.
This team isn't going to make the playoffs if the top two forward lines are the only ones scoring, especially when we aren't getting bailed out with high-end goaltending.
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Someone gets it, I was thinking yesterday we need some secondary scoring
Yep. Look at Colorado, they struggle with the same issues in depth and goaltending and even they find themselves on the outside of a wild card spot, and they obviously have much better high-end talent. I don’t know how much more you can realistically ask for from our top 5 forwards - they’re all pacing for 30+ goals, except Giroux who is pacing for 20.
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In this case not necessarily... You can have an lower XGA stat if you spend your time in the Ozone.. have a high number of Ozone starts compared to Dzone starts and change on the back check. Changing on the backcheck isn't required but if you do it like we saw Brady do last night ,, you are not on the ice for the XGA or the GA
According to NST Brady has the 15th highest per 60 Ozone Starts in the league for all skaters with 100 minutes or more. On the Senators Norris has a much higher XGA but also the highest Dzone Starts/60. There is a relationship . Pinto is 2nd in Dzone start rate close to 50% more than Brady yet has the same XGA/60 as Brady
These stats individually should be used sparingly without context.
Brady is mostly fine if not good in the Ozone. He has to a) commit to working back defensively and b) better dzone play he is not alone but he obviously has not focused on or been forced to focus on that part of his game. He clearly likes going one way much more than the other way. We don't need that from our captain on a team that is trying to improve defensively and turn their results around.
So the XGA can be acknowledged but it doesn't tell much of the story
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I don't see how that's been a problem at all, the top line has generally been pretty good, the issue with the team has largely been lack of scoring from Pinto, Greig, and to a lesser degree Giroux, along with Sanderson and Ullmark not meeting expectations. If all those guys met expectations, the team would be much better, and Tkachuk would likely still be the second best forward.
Maybe we can find an offensive spark on waivers. Like a tolvanen.
Hoglander looks to be on the outs in Vancouver. Could be an interesting option? Although his contract in medium term
You’re not wrong. And I think it’s actually encouraging that people have a bunch of different ideas about what to do here to fix it. As opposed to in years past it was like “we suck ass and it is clear for everyone to see”.
Are our bottom 6 guys ever going to blow up here?
You can’t deny stutzle is the one guycreating out there though. We have one guy able to dynamically take over a shift. Tkatchuk does his thing on the boards but that usually results in a pass back to the point.
We need another guy like that. As the team currently stands
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Tkachuck not back checking hard enough as a guy that's slow and 215 lbs or whatever is about reason # 25 why this team sucks. It's like complaining about Heatley's D or Spezza's giveaways.
They have one 1st line player, a weak 2nd line, no offensive defenseman and no physical defenseman, are slow, and the depth players add no scoring. The #1 and #3 d-men are having a miserable year, so too the #3C and third line winger. The star goalie has been poor. Travis Hamonic, JBD, and Kleven ARE ALL PLAYING IN THE SAME GAME.
I'm not even a huge Tkachuck fan and think they probably have to trade him, but his effort level is nowhere near the main reason this team blows.
They have one 1st line player, a weak 2nd line, no offensive defenseman and no physical defenseman, are slow, and the depth players add no scoring. The #1 and #3 d-men are having a miserable year, so too the #3C and third line winger. The star goalie has been poor. Travis Hamonic, JBD, and Kleven ARE ALL PLAYING IN THE SAME GAME.
I'm not even a huge Tkachuck fan and think they probably have to trade him, but his effort level is nowhere near the main reason this team blows.
Doubt they want that contact but I definitely think they should try to add a bottom 6 forward if they can. Otherwise our only hope is Pinto and Greig waking up.
The standards of what a first line player is on this board baffle me. Brady is on pace for 92 points, tied for 26th in the NHL… in what world does he not qualify? Even Batherson has first line production.
Otherwise I agree with you.
Agreed. He is slotted too high and the guys after him are meh. If he's your #2 forward then you are in trouble. If he is your #2 forward AND the guys behind him are way behind him, you are in even bigger trouble. People have some expectation that he's a superstar. He's not, he's a star. He's Gary Robert's, Dave Anderchuyckbkind of guy. He's not Mats Sundin, Alfie, prime Doug Gilmour, let alone Draisatl, Matthews, Crosby etc.
Just because he has a big name/personality doesn't change the kind of hockey he's capable of playing.
It'd be just as absurd to expect Gary Robert's, in 1996, to carry a bunch of bums to the post-season. That's an impossible expectation to meet for what his game consists of.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Brady is the 2nd best forward, but his play style is not as a creator and is relatively slow for a high end player, so you basically have Stu, then a massive drop off to the next playmakers with any speed. The top line has produced because it has by far the best forward, then Brady behind him, no disagreements there, but after that it just feels thin if you're trying to match up with good teams and they've struggled to find someone to stick with those two, pigeon holing guys like Grieg in there. Feels like this team lacks another high end forward capable of taking charge and driving the other line (also freeing up someone to move up to the top line), but no doubt the issues you describe are a problem, like other things to be pointed to in previous years. Maybe you're right that they'd still be 1/2, but it still feels like this team needs another guy closer to Stu if they ever want to compete with the big boys.
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Exactly. Time zone change/plane ride didn't seem to affect Stu's play. Brady and most of the core are in their 20's not 30's.
Personally, I think most of them find it too much work to be playing physical, paying attention to details so when they lost a couple of games where they did play that way, that was it. Haven't seen it since except for Stu and Jensen.
Time for Green to rethink his scheme I think.
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I agree with this, Brady has been good this season in the sense he’s doing his job well and if better things were happening when he wasn’t on the ice the team would be in great shape.
However the team has no identity still, and he’s the Captain. The team somewhere between the locker room and the coaching room havent built the trust on the ice to be a winning team. They make constant mistakes, all the things they sucked at last year (starting on time, first goal, giving up goals late or early in periods, giving up goals after scoring, giving up multiple goals within a few shifts of each other, bag goalie goals - it’s all still plaguing this team for some reason and you have to look at the leadership group.
To me the players start in LA after the SJ game horrid performance Was the biggest warning sign of the entire season, coming out with no jam and not ready when you’ve just coming off the worst effort in team history - amateur, embarrassing, spoiled, fireable, inexcusable. You have to question the pulse of the team, if John Torterella was coaching this team he would have taken Shane Pinto and Micheal Amadio by the ears and thrown onto the ice
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I was looking for a list like this - thanks so much for sharing!
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Brady our leading goal scorer with 13.
Tied for second in the league power play goals.
20th in the league in points.
Tied for 11th in goals.
Tied for second in the league power play goals.
20th in the league in points.
Tied for 11th in goals.
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I hope NHL GMs see what some of you do. It will get Ottawa a better return.
I'm not seeing the dominant game you guys did. I'm seeing Brady Tkachuk having a night where he gets his goals the way he typically does and that's about it. I saw the Ducks deliberately leaving him wide open on the PK baiting the Ottawa coaching staff and Stutzle to pass to him for low chance opportunities and the Senators took that opening time after time after time and came up with nothing to show for it.
And because everyone is so sensitive... no I do not think Brady Tkachuk is a bad hockey player. But like I said in the GDT I think he fits that basketball description of the "good player putting up great numbers on a bad team".
I'm not seeing the dominant game you guys did. I'm seeing Brady Tkachuk having a night where he gets his goals the way he typically does and that's about it. I saw the Ducks deliberately leaving him wide open on the PK baiting the Ottawa coaching staff and Stutzle to pass to him for low chance opportunities and the Senators took that opening time after time after time and came up with nothing to show for it.
And because everyone is so sensitive... no I do not think Brady Tkachuk is a bad hockey player. But like I said in the GDT I think he fits that basketball description of the "good player putting up great numbers on a bad team".
