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What type of contract are the Rangers giving Brady?

Do they break away from the bridge contracts which end up costing them even more money down the road?

Do the Rangers trust Brady to give him a 6 year contract? He had an inconsistent season. They might be able to save a few bucks because of his season being so so.
 
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I prefer to look at AAV in terms of CH% rather than raw numbers.
McDavid's 2nd contract is a 16.67CH%
Crosby's 2nd contract was a 17.30CH%

But everyone thinks McDavid's contract is ridiculous and points to Crosby taking a "discount" on his 2nd contract. When taking the total salary cap into account (and base the calculation on caphit percentage instead), McDavid's cap hit is lower.


Now, let's look at Brady Skjei. If he signs an 8 year deal at 5m AAV, that comes down to a 6.66 CH% (salary cap currently at 75m*)

Taking a look at current top-pair D-men and what the cap hit on their 2nd contract was, it seems that a 6.66CH% is definitely not top pair money.

Roman Josi: 6.22
Ryan McDonagh: 7.31
Drew Doughty: 10.89
Erik Karlsson: 10.11
Victor Hedman: 10.79
Hampus Lindholm: 7.19
Aaron Ekblad: 10.27

Roman Josi has a very favorable contract for sure, but he is the exception. It's not as if 5 million at the current cap is 1st pairing money. If we sign Skjei to an 8-year extension at 5 million, it's a great deal down the line for a 2nd pair D-man (which seems to be his floor at the moment).

* While I use the current cap, it is expected the actual salary cap will be higher, lowering that CH% to a number between 6.4 (78m) and 6.09 (82m).
 
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RangerBoy said:
What type of contract are the Rangers giving Brady?

Do they break away from the bridge contracts which end up costing them even more money down the road?

Do the Rangers trust Brady to give him a 6 year contract? He had an inconsistent season. They might be able to save a few bucks because of his season being so so.
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I think an Adam Larsson/Oscar Klefbom deal would be really good. 4.1m per for 6 years, there are always risk but how high is it with a contract like this? I don't get why the players sign those deals, but that is another story...

Somehow you got to estimate what the cap will be at the end of the deal, best guess. Otherwise you are doing business under conditions you know will not be the case. 7 year deal 5m per. An annual yearly increase of 5% gives you a cap of 115m at the end of those 7 years. If Skjei is a good top 4 D at that point it will be a steal of a contract. Skjei can be in a wheelchair by then, who knows, but the upside is also really good like many teams are seeing right now.
 
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Most overrated player on our team. He’s a number 3/4 second pairing solid d man. No more no less
 
I am not really a fan of using % of cap to determine a contract. Mostly because no one ever knows if that was the right % to base anything on to begin with. For example Gomez and his % of cap no matter what it was, or would be had he played the whole term it would still be a 7.5M cap hit.

I think using comparable contracts is closer to the way to go. If it's a bridge those are there, Ceci Dumba are there. If it's a longer term off his entry level Gostisbehere, Savard, Tanev, Brodin, Larsson are all there. I did not look them all up to make sure they exactly matched up, as I'm not sure how many RFA years were left for each player when they signed but those contracts even with a cap increase have to be pretty close.

With 3 RFA years left, Skjei would get about ~8M total over those 3 RFA years if he signed for just those years. So if they are giving him 5Mx7 or 35M total they are paying about 6.75M for each of those 4 UFA years and that seems pretty high to me.
 
Name one of our defenseman that DIDN'T look like crap last year.

Is Skjei going to be a consensus #1 Dman? Doubt it. But he's a damn good bet to be a 2nd pair guy for a long time.
 
Nopuckluck said:
Nothings wrong with it but I’m not willing to give a second pairing guy more than 4 mill for 4 years. If he says no trade him
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The salary cap just rose to $80 million doll hairs. 4 / 80 * 100 = 5% of the cap.

You're actually saying a top4D (per you) isn't worth 5% of the salary cap......??????
 
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I don't think it requires 5M per to sign him long term.

I like Skjei, I think he has the potential to be a good 2nd pair, maybe even a complement to the 1st pair, but he does not have the leverage or comparable contracts to get to a 5M cap hit.

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Nopuckluck said:
Nothings wrong with it but I’m not willing to give a second pairing guy more than 4 mill for 4 years. If he says no trade him
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4 million is 5% of the salary cap. 4m a year is a bargain when you sign him long-term. Even 5m would be good value for what he brings. His contract will be cheaper than guys like Faulk, Zaitsev, Klingberg, Brodin, Klefbom, Gardiner (who all have a higher cap-hit percentage on their 2nd contract).
 
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Using % of cap I don't really get, that is like saying two people who have the same salary bought the same thing, one bought it at a cheaper price, the other waited, once they both received the same raise the other bought his thing at a higher price.

The 2nd guy did not get it cheaper just because both their salaries went up.

Agents like that sort of thing but when it comes down to any one particular season the thing they both bought has the same(similar) value but one spent more under the cap for it than the other.

The other reason I think it's an odd way to go, the point should be to improve cap efficiency, not just create the same (in)efficiency by using the same % of cap space per position.

The CBA, it has a RFA mechanism that provides a fair amount of leverage towards the team in contract negotiations, if the player is not elite, they have to compromise if they want a long term deal that provides a much larger guaranteed contract total, or they can risk they can exceed that total by taking several shorter cheaper contracts while they await UFA status.
 
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Off Sides said:
Using % of cap I don't really get, that is like saying two people who have the same salary bought the same thing, one bought it at a cheaper price, the other waited, once they both received the same raise the other bought his thing at a higher price.
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Terrible analogy.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I prefer to look at AAV in terms of CH% rather than raw numbers.
McDavid's 2nd contract is a 16.67CH%
Crosby's 2nd contract was a 17.30CH%

But everyone thinks McDavid's contract is ridiculous and points to Crosby taking a "discount" on his 2nd contract. When taking the total salary cap into account (and base the calculation on caphit percentage instead), McDavid's cap hit is lower.


Now, let's look at Brady Skjei. If he signs an 8 year deal at 5m AAV, that comes down to a 6.66 CH% (salary cap currently at 75m*)

Taking a look at current top-pair D-men and what the cap hit on their 2nd contract was, it seems that a 6.66CH% is definitely not top pair money.

Roman Josi: 6.22
Ryan McDonagh: 7.31
Drew Doughty: 10.89
Erik Karlsson: 10.11
Victor Hedman: 10.79
Hampus Lindholm: 7.19
Aaron Ekblad: 10.27

Roman Josi has a very favorable contract for sure, but he is the exception. It's not as if 5 million at the current cap is 1st pairing money. If we sign Skjei to an 8-year extension at 5 million, it's a great deal down the line for a 2nd pair D-man (which seems to be his floor at the moment).

* While I use the current cap, it is expected the actual salary cap will be higher, lowering that CH% to a number between 6.4 (78m) and 6.09 (82m).
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6.66?
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Off Sides said:
Explain?
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Using a % of the cap to compare players salaries makes a ton of sense since the cap fluctuates and has changed numerous times over the years. A 5M player 10 years ago isn't necessarily a 5M player now. That's why using a % of the cap makes sense. As the cap continues growing, players salaries will ultimately creep up.

A 5M player in a 50M cap limit shouldn't be compared to a 5M player in an 80M cap world.
 
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NewYorkNick said:
Using a % of the cap to compare players salaries makes a ton of sense since the cap fluctuates and has changed numerous times over the years. A 5M player 10 years ago isn't necessarily a 5M player now. That's why using a % of the cap makes sense. As the cap continues growing, players salaries will ultimately creep up.

A 5M player in a 50M cap limit shouldn't be compared to a 5M player in an 80M cap world.
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That is fair enough, except there are downfalls towards using it.

What if the cap stagnates? The PA decides not to use the escalator, the next CBA reduces the players share of the revenue?

And it still does not address how if the cap is 80M that paying Skjei 5% of it is cheaper than some other team paying their version of Skjei 4.5% of it for that particular year.

Plus it assumes using whatever % on a position or on a player of that level was the correct % to use in the first place.
 
I don't mind the idea of locking him up for 7 or 8 years depending on the money and I definitely wouldn't go over $5mil per. I don't think he's going to ever put up enough point production to be an elite 1st pairing D but I can see him from the mid 30's to mid 40's in any given season. Worst case scenario which is also a very like scenario is we have a young and very good 2nd pairing left defenseman and they don't grow on trees.....but I also think you can count on him being very good at least for 6-7 years of his term. He has all the necessary tools and smarts to accomplish that---size, skating and puck skills and he cares about defending and is pretty decent at it. All that tells me you can expect consistently good (not necessarily great) play for a number of years. It's worth locking him up but you don't want to go overboard what you pay him. Basically he's pretty close to being a McDonagh clone.
 
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